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So you are claiming that Israel is intent on performing a genocide, therefore they have funded Hamas, so that Hamas kill and torture thousands Israelis, so that Israel could commence a war?
That is some conspiracy shit right there.

Unfortunately for you, the truth is a tad different.

-Israel has disconnected from Gaza in 06, this makes the genocide/not interested in peace claims rather strange.
-Israel has let in tens of thousands of Gazans regularly ever since, even though Hamas was elected in 07 by the peace seeking Gazans.
-Israel has provided Gaza with electricity ever since 06, again because the peace seeking Gazans have elected Hamas which had its focus on building a terror army rather than developing the strip.
-Israel has allowed Qatar to send money to Gaza so that there will be no humanitarian crisis, as again the peace seeking Gazans have neglected to seek alternative administration, as they are borderline collectively behind the project 'eliminate Israel'.


I trust that you do not wish to understand reality, but if there is a small shivering desire to know it, all you need to do is just google polls of support levels in Hamas throughout the years and I assure you, you will be surprised.
 
TorresElNino9 said:
Israel has disconnected from Gaza in 06, this makes the genocide/not interested in peace claims rather strange.
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In 2007, Israel imposed a blockade turning it into an open air prison, blocked energy which most people define as collective punishment. In 2008 they invaded and killed 1000, in 2012 they killed another 100, in 2014 they killed another 2000, in 2021 another 250. I'd hardly call it disconnecting.

And that's not even talking about the 1000 or so killed in the West Bank in the last 18 months. Israel have a very funny way of showing they are interested in peace, any more than Hamas do.
 
After disconnecting from Gaza, in 06, removing tens of thousands(!!) of civilians, and eagerly wishing for cooperation and peace, there was no blockade, and then the population in Gaza elected Hamas which vowed to destroy Israel.
After Hamas rise to power and the declaration to eliminate Israel, a blockade was imposed.

Arguing that the blockade was inhumane is either more evil or more stupid, it's a tough one.

In any event Gaza had a border crossing with Egypt, and the Egyptians blocked that border off too, because of Hamas. Is Egypt also evil mate? or is that only reserved for Israel?

In response to the other unbelievable claims that you made, in 08, 12, 14 and 21 they were all rounds of armed conflict which Hamas initiated by rocketing missiles into Israel. The fact that you are painting it otherwise is astounding no less.
 
I'm not sure how helpful it is.
Maybe it might highlight some issues but focus should stopping Israel murdering people and stopping governemnts sitting on their hands.
 
Maybe, just maybe, Hamas should surrender, give up its arms and release the hostages.
Just a thought.

Y'know, just like any other war in world history.
 
Hamas has agreed plenty of times for the release all of hostages, Israel has always rejected this.

This the worlds most moral army, backed by the billions of dollars of America money and the UK spy planes, has not been able to save many hostages.
In fact they've probably killed more than they've saved.

Israel, led by Netanyahu and others is a genocidal state. Their aim is to kill as many Palestinians as possible, by whatver means they have.

Those in Israel and around the world who are still ok with the bombing and mass murder have lost their humanity, if they had any to begin with.

I hope there is no mercy on those who still cheer this on.
 
TorresElNino9 said:
Let me know when has there ever been a war in which one side has not bombed and killed people from the other side.
I'm eagerly waiting for your response.
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I didn’t say anything like that. You do realise that don’t you? Or are you too thick to understand killing people is fucking wrong and it should stop? Especially when you needlessly kill innocent men, women and children.
 
Atlas said:
Hamas has agreed plenty of times for the release all of hostages, Israel has always rejected this.

This the worlds most moral army, backed by the billions of dollars of America money and the UK spy planes, has not been able to save many hostages.
In fact they've probably killed more than they've saved.

Israel, led by Netanyahu and others is a genocidal state. Their aim is to kill as many Palestinians as possible, by whatver means they have.

Those in Israel and around the world who are still ok with the bombing and mass murder have lost their humanity, if they had any to begin with.

I hope there is no mercy on those who still cheer this on.
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Hamas has not agreed to surrender though.
Most wars end in surrender and disarmament of one side, do they not?

I am sorry for you that it seems that you have fallen victim of hate which leads you to spread subjective thoughts and believes, such as your thought that Israel's aim is to 'kill as many as possible'.
I will pray for your mental health.

The truth is that Israel is ready to stop the war upon the disarmament of Hamas (Israel even agrees that the terrorists that raped women, burnt families and babies alive will be able to flee Gaza and not be prosecuted and jailed) and the release of hostages.
Again, as is the norm for most wars.
 
MomoWASright said:
I didn’t say anything like that. You do realise that don’t you? Or are you too thick to understand killing people is fucking wrong and it should stop? Especially when you needlessly kill innocent men, women and children.
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I am probably too thick.
This is a war, people are killed in war.
You are saying that in this war specifically, Israel is fighting it too strongly? Or is that Israel is not playing by the rules of war?
 
TorresElNino9 said:
Israel even agrees that the terrorists that raped women, burnt families and babies alive will be able to flee Gaza and not be prosecuted and jailed
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Israel will allow IDF to leave Gaza?

Bombing tents and hospitals.

It's not my mental health you need to pray for.
Its your own humanity.
Literally come out of your spiritual renewal to continue calling for a genocide.

Again though you realise that your heart is so black you hide and post under this pseudonym.
 
TorresElNino9 said:
You are filled with hate, and are aware that you are irrational.
I pray that you get better.
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Hahahahahaha. I’m the one who wants people to stop being killed and you’re them one trying to justifying of the deaths. Yet I’m full of hate.

You need help. You fucking retard.
 
Atlas said:
Israel will allow IDF to leave Gaza?

Bombing tents and hospitals.

It's not my mental health you need to pray for.
Its your own humanity.
Literally come out of your spiritual renewal to continue calling for a genocide.

Again though you realise that your heart is so black you hide and post under this pseudonym.
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Don't move the goalposts.
We are talking about ending the war.
If Hamas disarms and flees, the war ends, No one is getting killed anymore.

In order for the IDF to leave Gaza there needs to rise a moral leadership.
Last time Israel left Gaza, the population voted for an immoral leadership that vowed to destroy Israel.

While I realize your reluctance to see that the Gazans wish to destroy Israel and not the other way around, these are unfortunately the facts.

but as I said, if the population there vote for a moral leadership then yes obviously IDF leaves Gaza, just like in 2006.
This was done as Israeli people do not want to be in Gaza, they did not want to be there back in 2006 and they don't want to be there now.

Reality is literally there to be seen, right in your face.
 
MomoWASright said:
Hahahahahaha. I’m the one who wants people to stop being killed and you’re them one trying to justifying of the deaths. Yet I’m full of hate.

You need help. You fucking retard.
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You want people to stop being killed? that's the naivest thing that I've seen anyone writes regarding the conflict for a while now.

I will write again, there is a war, I'm sure you are familiar with the term.

Israel can stop the war and let Hamas keep control and rebuild, in this case, as claimed directly by Hamas, they will strive to commit additional attacks like October 7th in the future.

I'm sure that you can realize that Israel will prefer that not happens, so it refuses to end the war.

If any of the things that I wrote up to this point does not make sense for you then please let me know what it is and we'll discuss it.
The desire of a nation to not be exposed to attacks such as the October 7th attack seems like a fair desire.


From here then what we have left is that Hamas surrenders and disarms.
They do not wish to do that, as you understand surely.

Then please let me the fuck understand what it is that you want from Israel?
 
There are still rules and engagement in war, or at least there used to be.
Israel has completely violated all these.
(Also to be clear, Hamas violated these laws on Oct 7th, they should face the law, as per the ICC)

It's less a war and more a genocide, or now a holocaust.
 
Atlas said:
There are still rules and engagement in war, or at least there used to be.
Israel has completely violated all these.
(Also to be clear, Hamas violated these laws on Oct 7th, they should face the law, as per the ICC)

It's less a war and more a genocide, or now a holocaust.
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Surely you are aware of the fact that Hamas leverages the international rules of war for their advantage.

IMO there is no way to defeat a side that makes use of every law as part of their tactics.

In this case, how do you guarantee a victory over the other side that you are fighting?
 
TorresElNino9 said:
Surely you are aware of the fact that Hamas leverages the international rules of war for their advantage.

IMO there is no way to defeat a side that makes use of every law as part of their tactics.

In this case, how do you guarantee a victory over the other side that you are fighting?
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Surely you are aware of the fact Israel has violated UN resolution after UN resolution, international law for their own advantage for decades.

It's killed hundreds during the 'ceasefire'
Maimed, murdered, imprisoned hundreds.
Bombing tents is self defence apparently.
Killing children in their tens of thousands is the act of God's chosen people.

no way to defeat the side, so instead burn the place to the ground.
The only way is talks and concessions.
From both sides, but really you and the leaders of the apartheid state are not interested.
Only interested in saving their own skin.
 
Atlas said:
Surely you are aware of the fact Israel has violated UN resolution after UN resolution, international law for their own advantage for decades.

It's killed hundreds during the 'ceasefire'
Maimed, murdered, imprisoned hundreds.
Bombing tents is self defence apparently.
Killing children in their tens of thousands is the act of God's chosen people.

no way to defeat the side, so instead burn the place to the ground.
The only way is talks and concessions.
From both sides, but really you and the leaders of the apartheid state are not interested.
Only interested in saving their own skin.
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I disagree wholeheartedly and would be happy to go through the history with Gaza and Judea and Sumaria, and show you how Israel has never initiated any violations of international rule.

Be it the fact that the conflict started in 1929, when Arabs killed almost 70 Jewish civilians unprovoked.
Or the fact the in 1948 Israel agreed to the concessions and to the two-state solution that was proposed by the UN, and the Arabs started the war again unprovoked.
Or indeed too many junctions to count in which Arabs were unprovoked and decided to massacre Jews.

I'm well and truly sorry but you are looking at reality from a very subjective and selective point of view.
It's a shame you are not seeing it.

To claim that Israel is the side that is not interested in concession, or that Israel is the stubborn side, whilst Hamas literally states unhesitatingly that the only concession it is interested in is that Jews all die and burn, is fucking mental mate.
You are truly blind.

Good luck with your hate.
 
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