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I disagree wholeheartedly and would be happy to go through the history with Gaza and Judea and Sumaria, and show you how Israel has never initiated any violations of international rule.

Be it the fact that the conflict started in 1929, when Arabs killed almost 70 Jewish civilians unprovoked.
Or the fact the in 1948 Israel agreed to the concessions and to the two-state solution that was proposed by the UN, and the Arabs started the war again unprovoked.
Or indeed too many junctions to count in which Arabs were unprovoked and decided to massacre Jews.

I'm well and truly sorry but you are looking at reality from a very subjective and selective point of view.
It's a shame you are not seeing it.

To claim that Israel is the side that is not interested in concession, or that Israel is the stubborn side, whilst Hamas literally states unhesitatingly that the only concession it is interested in is that Jews all die and burn, is fucking mental mate.
You are truly blind.

Good luck with your hate.

Yes there's a war. But you do realise that Israel are violating every single rule of engagement don't you? That amounts to war crimes.

Read it slowly.. War...Crimes!
 
Israel’s military has admitted to several “professional failures” and a breach of orders in the killing of 15 rescue workers in Gaza last month, and said that it was dismissing a deputy commander responsible.

The deadly shooting of eight Red Crescent paramedics, six civil defence workers and a UN staffer by Israeli troops, as they carried out a rescue mission in southern Gaza at dawn on 23 March, had prompted international outcry and calls for a war crimes investigation.
 
Yes there's a war. But you do realise that Israel are violating every single rule of engagement don't you? That amounts to war crimes.

Read it slowly.. War...Crimes!
It's like you haven't even tried reading my post.
What do you do when your opponent is violating rules of engagement?
You can either violate it too, or lose the battle.
 
It's like you haven't even tried reading my post.
What do you do when your opponent is violating rules of engagement?
You can either violate it too, or lose the battle.
Ah yes.. but one is meant to be the most moral army in the world.. the other are widely recognised as savages.

One has less than what 50 hostages now?
The other is committing genocide against millions.

That's the difference.

I'm done with your brainwashed mind. As you say.. pathetic
 
Ah yes.. but one is meant to be the most moral army in the world.. the other are widely recognised as savages.

One has less than what 50 hostages now?
The other is committing genocide against millions.

That's the difference.

I'm done with your brainwashed mind. As you say.. pathetic
Interesting, what's the argument here actually?
Israel should just give it up and allow Hamas to keep on ruling?
Genuinely asking
 
100 years of terror: Blowing up people, children, women, in restaurants, buses, music festivals - freedom fighters.

Raiding houses and cutting trees - evil genocidal pshychos.

Seems to make sense.
 
A whole 100 years.
Meanwhile Jews have been super docile not bombed hotels or bombed tens of thousands of people.
Killed journalists or anything.

Genocidal
Evil
Psycho
 
A whole 100 years.
Meanwhile Jews have been super docile not bombed hotels or bombed tens of thousands of people.
Killed journalists or anything.

Genocidal
Evil
Psycho
Jews have not "bombed hotels". They have bombed 1 hotel, have targeted the British forces, have notified the civilians in the hotels beforehand, and have not targeted any Arabs.
Meanwhile the Arabs have conducted thousands upon thousands of horrendous terror attacks from the medieval times, killing tens of thousand of Jewish civilians in the most brutal ways imagined.

And yet you continue to call the one side how you call it. you're a loon.

What you refer to in "bombing tens of thousands" is war mate, it's not unprovoked terror attacks.
All wars were started by the Arabs.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I think spewing unfounded bullshit as fact should be bannable
 
Just raiding houses and chopping down trees mate.
Nothing to see here.
Stealing ppls land
Nothing to see
Murdering journalists
Nothing to see.
Raping prisoners
Nothing to see here

Let alone the flagrant murdering of people.. 'war'

Hope I'm alive to see the trials.
 
Just raiding houses and chopping down trees mate.
Nothing to see here.
Stealing ppls land
Nothing to see
Murdering journalists
Nothing to see.
Raping prisoners
Nothing to see here

Let alone the flagrant murdering of people.. 'war'

Hope I'm alive to see the trials.
let's compare shall we?
Stealing ppls land - Arab imperialism stole the land and migrated Arabs to the area which is the Levant and is not part of the Arabian peninseula. you may not like it (which I can clearly tell) but that is the truth. The "Palestinians" are Arabs, they are self-proclaimed part of the Arab nation and therefore CANNOT be native to the land.
Jews are native to the land, you may also not like this fact (which again is clear), but it is what it is.
Nothing to see
Murdering journalists - Let's talk about murder, do you want to try to bring up the numbers of terror victims on the Arab side and the Jewish side?
Nothing to see.
Raping prisoners - Let's talk about prisoners. Hamas has just captured more than 200 civilians. not even combatants, like Israel. Out of those 200+, more than 100 were murdered in captivity, so you are claiming the moral side here is the side that murderes 100+ civilians in captivity and the evil side is the side in which 1 prisoner who is a combatant is raped? OK.
Nothing to see here

Let alone the flagrant murdering of people.. 'war' - Yes, war. All of which were initiated by the Arabs.
 
Sigh.

Yh, retarded arguments.

They work well in the echo chamber of zionist nationalists though.

If you had to move to the land cos you were persecuted elsewhere don't get weirded out cos those whose families have been there for centuries get a bit upset.
 
Sigh.

Yh, retarded arguments.

They work well in the echo chamber of zionist nationalists though.

If you had to move to the land cos you were persecuted elsewhere don't get weirded out cos those whose families have been there for centuries get a bit upset.
I'm not getting weirded out.
They can feel upset and feel like their land was stolen it's perfectly fine.

Claiming one side is 'stealing ppls land' is ridiculous that's all.
 
I'm not getting weirded out.
They can feel upset and feel like their land was stolen it's perfectly fine.

Claiming one side is 'stealing ppls land' is ridiculous that's all.

I'm genuinely curious, have you seen Louis Theroux's The Settlers?

I'm not trying to debate the subject with you or use it as any form of argument, but I would be intrigued to know how it comes across to someone with your view points.
 
I'm genuinely curious, have you seen Louis Theroux's The Settlers?

I'm not trying to debate the subject with you or use it as any form of argument, but I would be intrigued to know how it comes across to someone with your view points.
Why are you not trying to debate me? Do debate.

Anyways I have not seen it, but have read about it now after your question.
I assume it's about the life of the Arabs in the West Bank and the conflicts with the Jews living there.

Asking my view on it is obviously a big question and I can go on for hours with my answer obviously.

I'll try to make it intuitive and short.

With regards to the entire region of Israel, you got to understand the history and the Unbelievable fact that not only have the Jews been kicked out by the Roman conquerors and later the Arab conquerors, but that for more than a thousand years it's been basically a wasteland.

Even the Arabs that have lived here for 500+ have always been the citizens of the bigger empire, be it the Byzantine, the Mamlukian or the Ottoman, and have traveled around the empire, and had no special feelings to the land of Israel.

You can check the historical censuses, there was almost no rise in population in Israel from around the 5th/6th century up to the 20th century, which is mind boggling.
And add to that, that for almost 2000 years of exile, there was only 1 new city established by the Arabs, which is Ramla.
All of the cities in Israel, and including the West Bank, were ancient Jewish cities, It's not a coincide that Jesus was a citizen of Beth-Lehem, which was a Jewish city that is now almost only Arab.
Also you can check out various authors such as Mark Twain who have traveled the land in the 19th century and have reported that it is a wasteland.

So the Arabs could not care less about Israel for 1500~ years, and regularly migrated to economically decent regions, and then when Zionism started in the early 20th century, and the economy started to bloom thanks to the Jewish immigrants, then many Arabs migrated to the region as well.

Putting all that aside, in 1947 the UN suggested that the land be split in half and 2 states would be established, Jews agreed, even though it is the same land that the Jews established 2000 years ago, and were kicked out of, and the Arabs rejected it.
Had they accepted, this whole conflict could have been avoided.

What ensued was an all out war, as it is the norm with the Muslim culture around these places, in order to exterminate all Jews from the land.
Jews won and established a state, and did not take over Judea and Samaria (the West Bank).

From 48 to 67 the Arabs had 20 years to establish a state of their own in Judea and Samaria, I'll let you have 3 guesses what they did with that time.
The correct answer is they were plotting to kill Jews.

After several wars, Israel had decided to occupy Judea and Samaria as otherwise it would have been a major security risk since Israel is only several miles wide without Judea and Samaria in some points.
So in order to protect the state and the people, Judea and Samaria was occupied, and terror organizations have been depressed by the military.

The settlers there have a right to be there, it's a land like any other.
They should obviously not go into already habitant land where people live and kick them out, but most of the land is vacant and I see no reason why they can't be there and be possible citizens of a future Arab state there, just like there are 20% Arabs in Israel.

With regards to the situation, Israel is prosecuting settlers who are harassing Arab citizens, and we're talking cutting down trees here. Whilst the Palestinian Authority is paying monthly wages to the families of Arabs who have killed Jewish citizens in terror attacks. The wage is higher if there were many casualties.

In broader terms, I think that the Arabs in Israel post 1948 had bad luck, tragic luck even, as they were accustomed to being citizens of an empire for over 1000 years, and the culture surrounded the tribe, the family, and the empire.
There was no nation in the culture. An Arab from Hebron could not care less about an Arab in Jerusalem other than they were both citizens of the Ottoman Empire and that the Empire had rule of law.
Fast forward to post WW1 and Britain was the Government, and Arabs were asked to organize as a nation and to have a Political body represent them, and they were never a nation, they were always big tribes under an empire, so they could not organize.
So what ensued since then is that other Muslim powers with aspirations to restore the Muslim Empire in the region, such as Iran, Saudi, Egypt, back in the day you had Sadam Hussein and such, they were always in the background pouring gasoline on the situation and feeding the Arabs in the region propaganda, supporting extremist terror organizations to take over politically, all in the goal of destroying the Jewish state, and with absolutely no second thought about compromising the Arabs in Israel in the process.

So the Arabs, who again have no shared nation conscious, always fell for the propaganda and have failed to establish proper political force which isn't terror minded, have again and again been left the victims of the situation, and the Jews as well.

Moving forward I think that there is no solution other than paying huge compensations in the sum of millions for every Arab family that would like to migrate out of the place, Israel should arrange a house and a citizenship for them elsewhere to start their life out, this could be in Asia, Africa, South America, or wherever.
If they can't organize themselves as a nation then they can be consumed in a different state.
 
Why are you not trying to debate me? Do debate.

Anyways I have not seen it, but have read about it now after your question.
I assume it's about the life of the Arabs in the West Bank and the conflicts with the Jews living there.

Asking my view on it is obviously a big question and I can go on for hours with my answer obviously.

I'll try to make it intuitive and short.

With regards to the entire region of Israel, you got to understand the history and the Unbelievable fact that not only have the Jews been kicked out by the Roman conquerors and later the Arab conquerors, but that for more than a thousand years it's been basically a wasteland.

Even the Arabs that have lived here for 500+ have always been the citizens of the bigger empire, be it the Byzantine, the Mamlukian or the Ottoman, and have traveled around the empire, and had no special feelings to the land of Israel.

You can check the historical censuses, there was almost no rise in population in Israel from around the 5th/6th century up to the 20th century, which is mind boggling.
And add to that, that for almost 2000 years of exile, there was only 1 new city established by the Arabs, which is Ramla.
All of the cities in Israel, and including the West Bank, were ancient Jewish cities, It's not a coincide that Jesus was a citizen of Beth-Lehem, which was a Jewish city that is now almost only Arab.
Also you can check out various authors such as Mark Twain who have traveled the land in the 19th century and have reported that it is a wasteland.

So the Arabs could not care less about Israel for 1500~ years, and regularly migrated to economically decent regions, and then when Zionism started in the early 20th century, and the economy started to bloom thanks to the Jewish immigrants, then many Arabs migrated to the region as well.

Putting all that aside, in 1947 the UN suggested that the land be split in half and 2 states would be established, Jews agreed, even though it is the same land that the Jews established 2000 years ago, and were kicked out of, and the Arabs rejected it.
Had they accepted, this whole conflict could have been avoided.

What ensued was an all out war, as it is the norm with the Muslim culture around these places, in order to exterminate all Jews from the land.
Jews won and established a state, and did not take over Judea and Samaria (the West Bank).

From 48 to 67 the Arabs had 20 years to establish a state of their own in Judea and Samaria, I'll let you have 3 guesses what they did with that time.
The correct answer is they were plotting to kill Jews.

After several wars, Israel had decided to occupy Judea and Samaria as otherwise it would have been a major security risk since Israel is only several miles wide without Judea and Samaria in some points.
So in order to protect the state and the people, Judea and Samaria was occupied, and terror organizations have been depressed by the military.

The settlers there have a right to be there, it's a land like any other.
They should obviously not go into already habitant land where people live and kick them out, but most of the land is vacant and I see no reason why they can't be there and be possible citizens of a future Arab state there, just like there are 20% Arabs in Israel.

With regards to the situation, Israel is prosecuting settlers who are harassing Arab citizens, and we're talking cutting down trees here. Whilst the Palestinian Authority is paying monthly wages to the families of Arabs who have killed Jewish citizens in terror attacks. The wage is higher if there were many casualties.

In broader terms, I think that the Arabs in Israel post 1948 had bad luck, tragic luck even, as they were accustomed to being citizens of an empire for over 1000 years, and the culture surrounded the tribe, the family, and the empire.
There was no nation in the culture. An Arab from Hebron could not care less about an Arab in Jerusalem other than they were both citizens of the Ottoman Empire and that the Empire had rule of law.
Fast forward to post WW1 and Britain was the Government, and Arabs were asked to organize as a nation and to have a Political body represent them, and they were never a nation, they were always big tribes under an empire, so they could not organize.
So what ensued since then is that other Muslim powers with aspirations to restore the Muslim Empire in the region, such as Iran, Saudi, Egypt, back in the day you had Sadam Hussein and such, they were always in the background pouring gasoline on the situation and feeding the Arabs in the region propaganda, supporting extremist terror organizations to take over politically, all in the goal of destroying the Jewish state, and with absolutely no second thought about compromising the Arabs in Israel in the process.

So the Arabs, who again have no shared nation conscious, always fell for the propaganda and have failed to establish proper political force which isn't terror minded, have again and again been left the victims of the situation, and the Jews as well.

Moving forward I think that there is no solution other than paying huge compensations in the sum of millions for every Arab family that would like to migrate out of the place, Israel should arrange a house and a citizenship for them elsewhere to start their life out, this could be in Asia, Africa, South America, or wherever.
If they can't organize themselves as a nation then they can be consumed in a different state.

Thank you
 
I suppose there's a perfectly valid reason for such a crass display.

"Israel army blows up Gaza building for ‘gender reveal party’. Chilling VIDEO emerges"

 
I suppose there's a perfectly valid reason for such a crass display.

"Israel army blows up Gaza building for ‘gender reveal party’. Chilling VIDEO emerges"


Just normal IDF behaviour over the past 19 months.
devoid of any morals it seems
 
I'm genuinely curious, have you seen Louis Theroux's The Settlers?

I'm not trying to debate the subject with you or use it as any form of argument, but I would be intrigued to know how it comes across to someone with your view points.

My Jewish friend sent me this feedback from John Aziz, a British-Palestinian I'd never heard of, after I watched the show last week and shared it with him:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=347&v=mEefqw3lLHc&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.israellycool.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY

Has anyone heard of this Aziz fellow before? Zio stooge? or a beacon of light in this dark conflict?
 
I've not listened and I've not heard of him.
But he writes for Quilette and the JC, should be enough info to answer your questions.
 
America and Israel privatising humanitarian efforts. The world's fucked, how anyone enjoys shit these days is beyond me, we used to be miles better than this.
 
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