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I don't think this is fair.
For example, Dreamy was roundly abused for suggesting that Gerrard should play in the middle with Mascherano, with Kuyt/ Casper or whoever pushed forward to play behind Torres.
However he is correct.
But only if the other CM option is to play Lucarse and Masher, a combination that is truly terrible (although that's more Lucarse's fault than Masher's).
Then there's the Aquilani disaster area. Who knows where he should play in relation to Gerrard? He's only played one good game all season, so it's difficult to know how good he is, or where he should ideally play in the team.
The fact of the matter is that if Gerrard does play further back more centrally, (with Masher), then we will certainly see him score less goals. So who can pick up that shortfall? Aquilani certainly can't, even if he was fit, and Casper isn't good enough full stop, really.
So, summing up, if we are going to play Stevie back in CM, then we'll need to spend a lot of money on a top quality attacking player who can make up a shortfall of c.15 goals.
For example, Dreamy was roundly abused for suggesting that Gerrard should play in the middle with Mascherano, with Kuyt/ Casper or whoever pushed forward to play behind Torres.
However he is correct.
But only if the other CM option is to play Lucarse and Masher, a combination that is truly terrible (although that's more Lucarse's fault than Masher's).
Then there's the Aquilani disaster area. Who knows where he should play in relation to Gerrard? He's only played one good game all season, so it's difficult to know how good he is, or where he should ideally play in the team.
The fact of the matter is that if Gerrard does play further back more centrally, (with Masher), then we will certainly see him score less goals. So who can pick up that shortfall? Aquilani certainly can't, even if he was fit, and Casper isn't good enough full stop, really.
So, summing up, if we are going to play Stevie back in CM, then we'll need to spend a lot of money on a top quality attacking player who can make up a shortfall of c.15 goals.
I would play him behind the striker as that for me is his best most effective position, you would be looking a hell of a long time to find somebody better than him at the job wereas in terms of out and out centre mids there are a number who can do it better.
Although Brendan is correct.... Lucas aint it.
Although Brendan is correct.... Lucas aint it.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=39538.msg1077984#msg1077984 date=1269861218]
Good post Brendan. One of the priorities this summer though has to be another striker, who knows what calibre we'll be able to afford, but if we buy right then that should address any shortfall of goals.[/quote]
Well not really, because there's no guarantee that (whoever is manager) Torres will ever play with a true strike partner, so it would probably be a safer bet to get a player who can operate in several positions, but also supply goals.
Dunno who that is (idiot that I am, I thought it might be Keane), and I'm not saying we don't need another striker (we obviously do).
Good post Brendan. One of the priorities this summer though has to be another striker, who knows what calibre we'll be able to afford, but if we buy right then that should address any shortfall of goals.[/quote]
Well not really, because there's no guarantee that (whoever is manager) Torres will ever play with a true strike partner, so it would probably be a safer bet to get a player who can operate in several positions, but also supply goals.
Dunno who that is (idiot that I am, I thought it might be Keane), and I'm not saying we don't need another striker (we obviously do).
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
With the current squad, Gerrard has to be played in CM. I do think he's better behind Torres, but only if we get someone in CM that can get the ball to him enough.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39538.msg1077993#msg1077993 date=1269861857]
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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He has made an almighty fuck-up.
But it isn't his first.
I can only hope that it is his last for Liverpool.
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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He has made an almighty fuck-up.
But it isn't his first.
I can only hope that it is his last for Liverpool.
gerrard will make up a large part of the shortfall himself by reducing the amount of goals we concede. and he will still score from central midfield in anycase. so there may not even be any net shorfall in our goal difference
and also it doesn't matter how effective gerrard is if the players behind him are rubbish. because then he just spends the game standing there doing nothing as we have seen for most of this year
and also it doesn't matter how effective gerrard is if the players behind him are rubbish. because then he just spends the game standing there doing nothing as we have seen for most of this year
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39538.msg1077993#msg1077993 date=1269861857]
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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Since we paid 20 million for a CM, we are not allowed to play Gerrard there?
If playing Gerrard back in the middle means our team playing the way we did against Sunderland and getting results, then it is a very easy and simple decision. The number of goals Gerrard scores as a center-forward does not even come in this picture.
It's not about Gerrard's goal tally. Currently playing Gerrard in the center may represent the best way to get three points. Till we actually get somebody who can get the midfield ticking like Gerrard and Masher did yesterday, it is a very easy decision.
It is like this; I would sooner trust Yossi, Aquilani, Kuyt and hell even Babel to replace Gerrard in a better way than how Lucas has managed to replace Xabi Alonos. I think Rafa Benitez, and possibly you are the last people in the whole wide world to see that point.
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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Since we paid 20 million for a CM, we are not allowed to play Gerrard there?
If playing Gerrard back in the middle means our team playing the way we did against Sunderland and getting results, then it is a very easy and simple decision. The number of goals Gerrard scores as a center-forward does not even come in this picture.
It's not about Gerrard's goal tally. Currently playing Gerrard in the center may represent the best way to get three points. Till we actually get somebody who can get the midfield ticking like Gerrard and Masher did yesterday, it is a very easy decision.
It is like this; I would sooner trust Yossi, Aquilani, Kuyt and hell even Babel to replace Gerrard in a better way than how Lucas has managed to replace Xabi Alonos. I think Rafa Benitez, and possibly you are the last people in the whole wide world to see that point.
I'm still curious to see whether a three man midfield - consisting of Gerrard, Aquilani and Masher - would work. Lampard has in the past played as part of a midfield three and still managed to score plenty, so there is no reason why Gerrard shouldn't be able to manage the same.
Well obviously I assumed that Benitez also had the idea to play all three together, otherwise that would mean he was stupid, profligate *and* insane
Xabi leaves. You replace Xabi
That he might not have replaced Xabi with the right player is the question
Xabi leaves. You replace Xabi
That he might not have replaced Xabi with the right player is the question
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39538.msg1077987#msg1077987 date=1269861462]
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=39538.msg1077984#msg1077984 date=1269861218]
Good post Brendan. One of the priorities this summer though has to be another striker, who knows what calibre we'll be able to afford, but if we buy right then that should address any shortfall of goals.[/quote]
Well not really, because there's no guarantee that (whoever is manager) Torres will ever play with a true strike partner, so it would probably be a safer bet to get a player who can operate in several positions, but also supply goals.
Dunno who that is (idiot that I am, I thought it might be Keane), and I'm not saying we don't need another striker (we obviously do).
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I was watching Bilbao play the other day and thought their striker Fernando Torres Llorente would be perfect for us - Tall, can hold the ball up, good close control, works hard and scores at a reasonable rate. And we would have two Torres playing for us which would be the aces.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=39538.msg1077984#msg1077984 date=1269861218]
Good post Brendan. One of the priorities this summer though has to be another striker, who knows what calibre we'll be able to afford, but if we buy right then that should address any shortfall of goals.[/quote]
Well not really, because there's no guarantee that (whoever is manager) Torres will ever play with a true strike partner, so it would probably be a safer bet to get a player who can operate in several positions, but also supply goals.
Dunno who that is (idiot that I am, I thought it might be Keane), and I'm not saying we don't need another striker (we obviously do).
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I was watching Bilbao play the other day and thought their striker Fernando Torres Llorente would be perfect for us - Tall, can hold the ball up, good close control, works hard and scores at a reasonable rate. And we would have two Torres playing for us which would be the aces.
As it stands today and trying to finish as high as we can in the league Gerrard has to play in the middle, because as Brendan says there is little option.
I thought Gerrard had one of his better games of the seasons yesterday, and the shape of the team was right.
Going forward he is still there, as we will surely to God, we get this fantasy striker we should have had a year ago.
The only time I can see him playing that role in the hole is if we have a midfielder, who can play in his place in the middle, andif when Torres/Fantasy man is injured.
We do have other options for the hole, Yossi can play there, but has had little opportunity to do so and that is his best position, and the game Bren refers to with Aqualani was, I suspect when he was playing there.
I tend to agree with our new chum Julian
regards
I thought Gerrard had one of his better games of the seasons yesterday, and the shape of the team was right.
Going forward he is still there, as we will surely to God, we get this fantasy striker we should have had a year ago.
The only time I can see him playing that role in the hole is if we have a midfielder, who can play in his place in the middle, and
We do have other options for the hole, Yossi can play there, but has had little opportunity to do so and that is his best position, and the game Bren refers to with Aqualani was, I suspect when he was playing there.
I tend to agree with our new chum Julian
regards
T
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39538.msg1077980#msg1077980 date=1269860800]
I don't think this is fair.
For example, Dreamy was roundly abused for suggesting that Gerrard should play in the middle with Mascherano, with Kuyt/ Casper or whoever pushed forward to play behind Torres.
However he is correct.
But only if the other CM option is to play Lucarse and Masher, a combination that is truly terrible (although that's more Lucarse's fault than Masher's).
Then there's the Aquilani disaster area. Who knows where he should play in relation to Gerrard? He's only played one good game all season, so it's difficult to know how good he is, or where he should ideally play in the team.
The fact of the matter is that if Gerrard does play further back more centrally, (with Masher), then we will certainly see him score less goals. So who can pick up that shortfall? Aquilani certainly can't, even if he was fit, and Casper isn't good enough full stop, really.
So, summing up, if we are going to play Stevie back in CM, then we'll need to spend a lot of money on a top quality attacking player who can make up a shortfall of c.15 goals.
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That more or less summed it up. Good post.
It was great to have our captain back against Sunderland, he looked far more like his own brilliant self and even enjoyed himself out there it seemed.
I don't think this is fair.
For example, Dreamy was roundly abused for suggesting that Gerrard should play in the middle with Mascherano, with Kuyt/ Casper or whoever pushed forward to play behind Torres.
However he is correct.
But only if the other CM option is to play Lucarse and Masher, a combination that is truly terrible (although that's more Lucarse's fault than Masher's).
Then there's the Aquilani disaster area. Who knows where he should play in relation to Gerrard? He's only played one good game all season, so it's difficult to know how good he is, or where he should ideally play in the team.
The fact of the matter is that if Gerrard does play further back more centrally, (with Masher), then we will certainly see him score less goals. So who can pick up that shortfall? Aquilani certainly can't, even if he was fit, and Casper isn't good enough full stop, really.
So, summing up, if we are going to play Stevie back in CM, then we'll need to spend a lot of money on a top quality attacking player who can make up a shortfall of c.15 goals.
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That more or less summed it up. Good post.
It was great to have our captain back against Sunderland, he looked far more like his own brilliant self and even enjoyed himself out there it seemed.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39538.msg1077999#msg1077999 date=1269862370]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39538.msg1077993#msg1077993 date=1269861857]
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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He has made an almighty fuck-up.
But it isn't his first.
I can only hope that it is his last for Liverpool.
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he could have taken that 20m bought bent and almost guarenteed we'd be better off by 10 points.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39538.msg1077993#msg1077993 date=1269861857]
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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He has made an almighty fuck-up.
But it isn't his first.
I can only hope that it is his last for Liverpool.
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he could have taken that 20m bought bent and almost guarenteed we'd be better off by 10 points.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=39538.msg1078007#msg1078007 date=1269862779]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39538.msg1077993#msg1077993 date=1269861857]
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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Since we paid 20 million for a CM, we are not allowed to play Gerrard there?
If playing Gerrard back in the middle means our team playing the way we did against Sunderland and getting results, then it is a very easy and simple decision. The number of goals Gerrard scores as a center-forward does not even come in this picture.
It's not about Gerrard's goal tally. Currently playing Gerrard in the center may represent the best way to get three points. Till we actually get somebody who can get the midfield ticking like Gerrard and Masher did yesterday, it is a very easy decision.
It is like this; I would sooner trust Yossi, Aquilani, Kuyt and hell even Babel to replace Gerrard in a better way than how Lucas has managed to replace Xabi Alonos. I think Rafa Benitez, and possibly you are the last people in the whole wide world to see that point.
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Ok, this.
Great post mate, welcome to the site 🙂
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39538.msg1077993#msg1077993 date=1269861857]
playing gerrard in center midfield is admitting you made an almighty fuck up with the 20 million pound CM (20! FUCKING!! MILLION!! POUNDS!!!!) rotting on the bench.
gerrard is the best forward we have, the most prolific forward we have and until that changes that where gerrard should play. yeah yeah 6 goals is a piss poor return but there are LOADS of reasons to explain that away.
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Since we paid 20 million for a CM, we are not allowed to play Gerrard there?
If playing Gerrard back in the middle means our team playing the way we did against Sunderland and getting results, then it is a very easy and simple decision. The number of goals Gerrard scores as a center-forward does not even come in this picture.
It's not about Gerrard's goal tally. Currently playing Gerrard in the center may represent the best way to get three points. Till we actually get somebody who can get the midfield ticking like Gerrard and Masher did yesterday, it is a very easy decision.
It is like this; I would sooner trust Yossi, Aquilani, Kuyt and hell even Babel to replace Gerrard in a better way than how Lucas has managed to replace Xabi Alonos. I think Rafa Benitez, and possibly you are the last people in the whole wide world to see that point.
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Ok, this.
Great post mate, welcome to the site 🙂
here's a whacky, out there and totally insane CRAZY idea...
why not play the 20 million pound CM picking splinters out of his sphincter?
I know, craaazzzyyy!!!
why not play the 20 million pound CM picking splinters out of his sphincter?
I know, craaazzzyyy!!!
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=39538.msg1078031#msg1078031 date=1269865005]
As it stands today and trying to finish as high as we can in the league Gerrard has to play in the middle, because as Brendan says there is little option.
I thought Gerrard had one of his better games of the seasons yesterday, and the shape of the team was right.
Going forward he is still there, as we will surely to God, we get this fantasy striker we should have had a year ago.
The only time I can see him playing that role in the hole is if we have a midfielder, who can play in his place in the middle, andif when Torres/Fantasy man is injured.
We do have other options for the hole, Yossi can play there, but has had little opportunity to do so and that is his best position, and the game Bren refers to with Aqualani was, I suspect when he was playing there.
I tend to agree with our new chum Julian
regards
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So does your old chum Jules.
As it stands today and trying to finish as high as we can in the league Gerrard has to play in the middle, because as Brendan says there is little option.
I thought Gerrard had one of his better games of the seasons yesterday, and the shape of the team was right.
Going forward he is still there, as we will surely to God, we get this fantasy striker we should have had a year ago.
The only time I can see him playing that role in the hole is if we have a midfielder, who can play in his place in the middle, and
We do have other options for the hole, Yossi can play there, but has had little opportunity to do so and that is his best position, and the game Bren refers to with Aqualani was, I suspect when he was playing there.
I tend to agree with our new chum Julian
regards
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So does your old chum Jules.
anyway, this arguement is neither here nor there as lucas will definately play in the next two away games. guaranteed.
Good posts lads.
As Julian said, the crux of it is, regardless of a lesser goal output from Gerrard (who lets face it has fallen short this season whatever role he's played), our best pairing right now in cental midfield is Masher and Gerrard. I've argued the toss against it before because I didn't want to break up what was clearly a great partnership upfront, but it's all bollocks really in hindsight.
As long as Torres is playing and is getting support from those around him, like we saw yesterday, it doesn't really matter.
It's about being the sum of your parts, Torres and others will still quite clearly score goals, whatever role Gerrard plays. The important thing now is that we have Torres AND Gerrard back, a side with balance, pace and, as we all guessed would happen with these qualities added to the side, GOALS.
As Julian said, the crux of it is, regardless of a lesser goal output from Gerrard (who lets face it has fallen short this season whatever role he's played), our best pairing right now in cental midfield is Masher and Gerrard. I've argued the toss against it before because I didn't want to break up what was clearly a great partnership upfront, but it's all bollocks really in hindsight.
As long as Torres is playing and is getting support from those around him, like we saw yesterday, it doesn't really matter.
It's about being the sum of your parts, Torres and others will still quite clearly score goals, whatever role Gerrard plays. The important thing now is that we have Torres AND Gerrard back, a side with balance, pace and, as we all guessed would happen with these qualities added to the side, GOALS.
I really don't think Gerrard in centre-midfield is in Benitez's long-term plans.
If you're gonna go with that, then against decent sides you'll need two other centre mids around him to civer, because Gerrard works predominantly one way these days. Still, against cannon fodder from lower down the table, it could well be a solid option.
If you're gonna go with that, then against decent sides you'll need two other centre mids around him to civer, because Gerrard works predominantly one way these days. Still, against cannon fodder from lower down the table, it could well be a solid option.
I agree that it's not in his long-term plans, especially as Gerrard ages. However, even taking the quality of opposition into account, we have generally fared better with him in a more central role on those limited occasions this year.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39538.msg1078251#msg1078251 date=1269900388]
I really don't think Gerrard in centre-midfield is in Benitez's long-term plans.
If you're gonna go with that, then against decent sides you'll need two other centre mids around him to civer, because Gerrard works predominantly one way these days. Still, against cannon fodder from lower down the table, it could well be a solid option.
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Not sure if he should be making his plans too long term Ryan.
This discussion is broken down into two areas.
The midfield needing Gerrard, or the front needing him. I think we are all agreed currently that unless Aqualani gets a chance (and proves himself able) to play along-side Mascher, Gerrard is the only real option, as far as the midfield goes. Next season we just have to buy a partner for Torres and as has been said the calibre of player we need will not want to sit on the bench waiting for Nando to be injured. We also need to play two up front and stop fannying around
regards
I really don't think Gerrard in centre-midfield is in Benitez's long-term plans.
If you're gonna go with that, then against decent sides you'll need two other centre mids around him to civer, because Gerrard works predominantly one way these days. Still, against cannon fodder from lower down the table, it could well be a solid option.
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Not sure if he should be making his plans too long term Ryan.
This discussion is broken down into two areas.
The midfield needing Gerrard, or the front needing him. I think we are all agreed currently that unless Aqualani gets a chance (and proves himself able) to play along-side Mascher, Gerrard is the only real option, as far as the midfield goes. Next season we just have to buy a partner for Torres and as has been said the calibre of player we need will not want to sit on the bench waiting for Nando to be injured. We also need to play two up front and stop fannying around
regards
I picked in the middle but I'd actually play him wide right with Babel left and Aquilani behind Torres. That gives us 4 creative players yet still keeps Rafas safety net.
Reina
Insua
Agger
Carragher
Johnson
Mascherano
Lucas
Babel
Aquilani
Gerrard
Torres
I'd play that for the last 6 games, maybe Lucas out and Benayoun in vs the shite.
Reina
Insua
Agger
Carragher
Johnson
Mascherano
Lucas
Babel
Aquilani
Gerrard
Torres
I'd play that for the last 6 games, maybe Lucas out and Benayoun in vs the shite.
My issue here is that when gerrard played in the middle this season we've done well. When he's played off a front man (torres or otherwise) he's been unimpressive. He's scored 6 league goals this season I think, down to his poor form. So why should he be behind the striker? I think people look too much to last seasons sexy football and expect to see that this season when torres and gerrard are up top. We need to focus more on current form. Lucas has been shit, Aqua had his best game when playing off the striker while being indifferent in the middle. Gerrard has been indifferent behind the front man this season, yet excelled in his favourite position.
Perhaps we should play players where they like to play
Perhaps we should play players where they like to play
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39538.msg1078382#msg1078382 date=1269938294]
My issue here is that when gerrard played in the middle this season we've done well. When he's played off a front man (torres or otherwise) he's been unimpressive. He's scored 6 league goals this season I think, down to his poor form. So why should he be behind the striker? I think people look too much to last seasons sexy football and expect to see that this season when torres and gerrard are up top. We need to focus more on current form. Lucas has been shit, Aqua had his best game when playing off the striker while being indifferent in the middle. Gerrard has been indifferent behind the front man this season, yet excelled in his favourite position.
Perhaps we should play players where they like to play
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Can't argue with that, and play players where they are most effective (which is usually where they like to play)
regards
My issue here is that when gerrard played in the middle this season we've done well. When he's played off a front man (torres or otherwise) he's been unimpressive. He's scored 6 league goals this season I think, down to his poor form. So why should he be behind the striker? I think people look too much to last seasons sexy football and expect to see that this season when torres and gerrard are up top. We need to focus more on current form. Lucas has been shit, Aqua had his best game when playing off the striker while being indifferent in the middle. Gerrard has been indifferent behind the front man this season, yet excelled in his favourite position.
Perhaps we should play players where they like to play
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Can't argue with that, and play players where they are most effective (which is usually where they like to play)
regards
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39538.msg1078382#msg1078382 date=1269938294]
My issue here is that when gerrard played in the middle this season we've done well. When he's played off a front man (torres or otherwise) he's been unimpressive. He's scored 6 league goals this season I think, down to his poor form. So why should he be behind the striker? I think people look too much to last seasons sexy football and expect to see that this season when torres and gerrard are up top. We need to focus more on current form. Lucas has been shit, Aqua had his best game when playing off the striker while being indifferent in the middle. Gerrard has been indifferent behind the front man this season, yet excelled in his favourite position.
Perhaps we should play players where they like to play
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erm, didn't gerrard play in the middle v wigan?
My issue here is that when gerrard played in the middle this season we've done well. When he's played off a front man (torres or otherwise) he's been unimpressive. He's scored 6 league goals this season I think, down to his poor form. So why should he be behind the striker? I think people look too much to last seasons sexy football and expect to see that this season when torres and gerrard are up top. We need to focus more on current form. Lucas has been shit, Aqua had his best game when playing off the striker while being indifferent in the middle. Gerrard has been indifferent behind the front man this season, yet excelled in his favourite position.
Perhaps we should play players where they like to play
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erm, didn't gerrard play in the middle v wigan?
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