Momo’s Player of the Season thread

[MomoWASright]

I think the top 7 have easily been our best players this season. Gravenberch got off to a flier. His levels may have perceived to have dropped but I think he’s still at a real high standard. Mac Allister has come into it recently. Slobby had a small spell of good form. Diaz started on fire, dropped and came back this last month or so. The inverse for Gakpo.

I doubt there will be much movement. Once the league is tied up we may get some abnormal selections and others may sweep up the last of the points.

Completely agree about Trent.

 

[Judge Jules]

A word of thanks for what you're doing, mate. The forum is the better for it IMO.

 

[rurikbird]

Van Dijk will probably finish in 2nd place.

 

[MomoWASright]

A word of thanks for what you're doing, mate. The forum is the better for it IMO.

Cheers lid.

 

[Tinto]

That top 5 is right. They’ve been our best performers this season.

 

[Molbystwin]

I dunno... there should be some bonus points awarded to goalys surely... there have been a couple of games in recent times when if it weren't for Allyson we'd have got fuck all points... granted he has been too injured to win player of the year but... defo won us points this season.

 

[MomoWASright]

Even offering a bonus point for a clean sheet would’ve only moved both Ali and Kevin up 1 place in the table.

 

[keniget]

Interesting that many are willing to get rid of Diaz and he's gonna finish in the top 5.

 

[Modo]

Interesting that many are willing to get rid of Diaz and he's gonna finish in the top 5.

Because he's 28, turns 29 in January.
Contract expires 2027.
He's underpaid and wants a big payday.

For once we should do the smart thing and sell.
Before he leaves for free in two seasons.

Also his people have been flirting with Barca for a while now.
Sell him and Darwin and get Macca an Argentinian friend.

 

[keniget]

Because he's 28, turns 29 in January.
Contract expires 2027.
He's underpaid and wants a big payday.

For once we should do the smart thing and sell.
Before he leaves for free in two seasons.

Also his people have been flirting with Barca for a while now.
Sell him and Darwin and get Macca an Argentinian friend.

I get all that but it's also because he isn't particularly rated either.

That said, he is a reasonable candidate for a sale, yes.

 

[jan]

I get all that but it's also because he isn't particularly rated either.

I don't get that, he's arguably been the best left winger in the league this season

 

[Judge Jules]

I think it's because he's been doing a job down the middle and it's not his position.

 

[MomoWASright]

Player	1st​	2nd​	3rd​	Score​
Salah	8​	4​	6​	58​
Gravenberch	4​	8​	4​	48​
Diaz	8​	2​	2​	48​
Van Dijk	4​	6.5​	5​	44.5​
Mac Allister	4​	7​	3​	44​
Gakpo	4​	2​	2​	28​
Szoboszlai	2​	5​	2​	27​
Alisson	3​	2​	2​	23​
Konate	3​	1​	2​	20​
Endo	4​			20​
Jones	1​	2​	5​	16​
Kelleher	1​	3​	1​	15​
Jota	2​	1​	1​	14​
Gomez	1​	2​		11​
Nunez	2​		1​	11​
Elliott		3​	2​	11​
Alexander-Arnold		1.5​	5.5​	10​
Bradley	1​	1​	2​	10​
Tsimikas	1​		2​	7​
Chiesa	1​			5​
Robertson			3.5​	3.5​
Jaros		1​		3​
Quansah			1​	1​

Interestingly Diaz moves up to joint second and now has as many Man of the Match awards as Salah. He’s now tied with Gravenberch.

Mac Allister is half a point behind van Dijk following his excellent run of form. There’s a hefty gap from 5th down to 6th.

Two games to go and unless Gravenberch gets both Man of the Matches and Salah doesn’t score any points then Mo gets player of the season.

 

[tombrown]

Two games to go and unless Gravenberch gets both Man of the Matches and Salah doesn’t score any points then Mo gets player of the season.

Wouldn't Salah still win it by virtue of having 8 firsts to Gravy's 6?

On the other had Lucho could do it ... which would be amusing considering some of the comments made about him during the season

 

[MomoWASright]

Wouldn't Salah still win it by virtue of having 8 firsts to Gravy's 6?

On the other had Lucho could do it ... which would be amusing considering some of the comments made about him during the season

Lucho could do it. As head gobshite of the site I would probably share it and not have it decided by who has most 1st places. I am open to bribes though.

 

[Whaddapie]

I know that you use a very scientific method here, mate, but I'd actually give it to Gravy over both Mo and Virg...

They've both been irreplaceable for this team this season, and we'd not be champions without how they've both performed. But they're world-class players that we expect world-class performances from, and so, wonderful as they've been, we knew they would be, because they always are.

Ryan, on the other hand, has grown from barely a bit-part player last season, to just as important to this season's team as Mo and Virg, imho... He's taken a HUGE hole that we all thought would continue to be our weakest position on the pitch, and made us all remember the days of Fabinho at his best. He's been a revelation, and he's provided the stability in the middle that we've been missing for a couple of seasons now. We'd not be champions with him this season either.

My top 5 would be: Gravy, Macca, Mo, Virgil, Ali.

(Not rubbishing your table, of course - Just saying why Gravy's my choice). Keep up the wonderful work. 🙂

 

[aquaman4]

The table shows Arnold won't be a big miss and left backs both of them not good enough . Surprise Endo has four man of Match awards despite hardly playing few minutes here and there he must be a must keep next season on the bench.

 

[Judge Jules]

Agree. I just hope Slot sees it that way too.

 

[Frogfish]

The table shows Arnold won't be a big miss and left backs both of them not good enough . Surprise Endo has four man of Match awards despite hardly playing few minutes here and there he must be a must keep next season on the bench.

I like the table. It is a bit of fun and does go some way to demonstrating how well, or otherwise, players have played even with limited minutes.

However the biases of the forum also go some way to elevating / demoting some players.

Endo is a good example of that, he is a cult figure on here, so it's possible the the 4 MotM wins weren't actually worth MotM (I've no idea - I'm just speculating), it would be interesting to know if he was awarded MotM by the commentators or media post match (yes, yes I know but it's still interesting and would provide some validation).

 

[Frogfish]

A quick perusal of the table and a few players stand out :

Diaz : despite the constant sniping of a few on here he has EIGHT MotM performances and sits in 2nd place.

Szobo : despite many here (inc. me at times) saying he doesn't do enough he's got 9 Top 3 places, that's pretty consistent.

TAA : I agree with the comment Aquaman made, for someone so highly vaunted and who's played a ton of games this season, he's rarely appeared in our Top 3 ( zero MotM, 1.5 x 2nds and 5.5 x thirds)

Robbo : ditto TAA. Just 3.5 x 3rd places and zero MotM or 2nds. Tsimikas has twice as many points from less than half the number of games.

 

[MomoWASright]

I like the table. It is a bit of fun and does go some way to demonstrating how well, or otherwise, players have played even with limited minutes.

However the biases of the forum also go some way to elevating / demoting some players.

Endo is a good example of that, he is a cult figure on here, so it's possible the the 4 MotM wins weren't actually worth MotM (I've no idea - I'm just speculating), it would be interesting to know if he was awarded MotM by the commentators or media post match (yes, yes I know but it's still interesting and would provide some validation).

I think he was worthy of those 4 MOTMs. However, there should be a caveat to it. He only received one in the league and that was Chelsea away when we’d already won the league. The others were Southampton away (LC), Accrington Stanley home and Plymouth away (FAC).

I can do some more analysis over the summer to fill the void.

What I think has been telling is levels. There’s been times when there hasn’t been much between Konate and van Dijk and I feel van Dijk is overlooked because of the standard we are used to seeing. Then there are games where someone stinks the place out but gets a tap in followed by a pen then gets launched to top of the pile.

 

[binomial]

A quick perusal of the table and a few players stand out :

Diaz : despite the constant sniping of a few on here he has EIGHT MotM performances and sits in 2nd place.

Szobo : despite many here (inc. me at times) saying he doesn't do enough he's got 9 Top 3 places, that's pretty consistent.

TAA : I agree with the comment Aquaman made, for someone so highly vaunted and who's played a ton of games this season, he's rarely appeared in our Top 3 ( zero MotM, 1.5 x 2nds and 5.5 x thirds)

Robbo : ditto TAA. Just 3.5 x 3rd places and zero MotM or 2nds. Tsimikas has twice as many points from less than half the number of games.

What you got to understand Froggy is the forums is open every minute of every day which opens the floor to a lot of thoughts/opinions/perspectives/analysts etc.....8 MOTM performances and 9 top 3 finishes is good as far as the table suggests....but that's spanned over 55 games now, which accounts for 15% of the season......1 bad result or game usually = a whole week (or at least until we next play) of negative posts.....and collectively we really haven't played THAT well for much of the season. I think every single player in the squad besides Ali and Virg have received their fair share of criticism.

No point getting into Trent or Robbo, they really have been as disappointing as the table suggests. Been waiting 12 long months for both to piss off.

 

[Dreambeliever]

lol at any result that isn’t Mo at the top.

He’s carried us on his back to the title.

Long live the Egyptian King!!

 

[binomial]

lol at any result that isn’t Mo at the top.

He’s carried us on his back to the title.

Long live the Egyptian King!!

Ok....but he is top, so what was the point in bumping the thread with this nonsense?

 

[MomoWASright]

“Carried”

 

[Farkmaster]

lol at any result that isn’t Mo at the top.

He’s carried us on his back to the title.

Long live the Egyptian King!!

The team carries him defensively. It's worth it when he's on form. It isn't when he isn't.

We need to manage his minutes aggressively, and he won't like that. He also should fuck off the afcon, but he won't.

 

[darkstarexodus]

I think he was worthy of those 4 MOTMs. However, there should be a caveat to it. He only received one in the league and that was Chelsea away when we’d already won the league. The others were Southampton away (LC), Accrington Stanley home and Plymouth away (FAC).

I can do some more analysis over the summer to fill the void.

What I think has been telling is levels. There’s been times when there hasn’t been much between Konate and van Dijk and I feel van Dijk is overlooked because of the standard we are used to seeing. Then there are games where someone stinks the place out but gets a tap in followed by a pen then gets launched to top of the pile.

Yes, I'd be interested to see the breakdown across matches against different qualities of opponents and different levels of our team performance.

For example, are some of the "unexpected" players ranking higher up on the table beneficiaries of being the best of a bad lot when we (relatively) stank the joint out or faced weaker sides?

Diaz is a great example of the stats and the MOTM table telling me a story my eyes did not. Have always rated his talent and work ethic; much less so his end product. But his G+A and MOTM standings suggest I've perhaps been unkind.

 

[MomoWASright]

Yes, I'd be interested to see the breakdown across matches against different qualities of opponents and different levels of our team performance.

For example, are some of the "unexpected" players ranking higher up on the table beneficiaries of being the best of a bad lot when we (relatively) stank the joint out or faced weaker sides?

Diaz is a great example of the stats and the MOTM table telling me a story my eyes did not. Have always rated his talent and work ethic; much less so his end product. But his G+A and MOTM standings suggest I've perhaps been unkind.

I’m hoping to get an hour to go through the final standings and then look for a few patterns.

 

[MomoWASright]

Time to finalise the table.

Player	1st​	2nd​	3rd​	Score​
Salah	8​	5​	6​	61​
Gravenberch	4​	8​	4​	48​
Diaz	8​	2​	2​	48​
Van Dijk	4​	6.5​	5​	44.5​
Mac Allister	4​	7​	3​	44​
Alisson	5​	2​	2​	33​
Szoboszlai	2​	5.5​	2​	28.5​
Gakpo	4​	2​	2​	28​
Endo	4​		1​	21​
Konate	3​	1​	2​	20​
Jones	1​	2​	5​	16​
Kelleher	1​	3​	1​	15​
Jota	2​	1​	1​	14​
Bradley	1​	1.5​	2​	11.5​
Gomez	1​	2​		11​
Nunez	2​		1​	11​
Elliott		3​	2​	11​
Alexander-Arnold		1.5​	5.5​	10​
Tsimikas	1​		2​	7​
Chiesa	1​			5​
Robertson			3.5​	3.5​
Jaros		1​		3​
Quansah			1​	1​

Salah wins it from Gravenberch and Diaz who are joint second place.

There’s some interesting takeaways from this. Salah and Diaz both have 8 MOTMs awards. Gravenberch has the most runner up slots.

Mac Allister had a storming run of things and our full backs didn’t score many points.

Some point over the summer I’ll have a deeper look at the data. Or see if chatGPT can do it for me!

 

[MomoWASright]

Based on the cumulative analysis of all matches in the tracking document, here’s a summary report highlighting Liverpool FC’s top performers for the season based on points scored:




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Liverpool FC Player of the Season – Cumulative Points Report
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Top 10 Players by Total Points

Rank​	Player​	Total Points​
1	Salah	1509.5
2	Diaz	947.0
3	Mac Allister	891.0
4	Gravenberch	747.0
5	Szoboszlai	744.0
6	Van Dijk	716.5
7	Konate	591.0
8	Gakpo	564.0
9	Alisson	521.0
10	Jones	451.0

• Salah is the clear front-runner with a substantial lead in total points, making him the strongest candidate for Player of the Season.
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• Diaz and Mac Allister also had standout seasons, contributing consistently across matches
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• The list includes a mix of attacking, midfield, and defensive players, showing well-rounded contributions.