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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=42595.msg1339614#msg1339614 date=1306485075]
The lad scored a fair few goals for us, esp in Europe, & I still think he could be a bloody good striker with a good run of games.

Whilst he struggled to begin with he improved constantly, when given a run after his second game he'd improve from game to game too.
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I do agree to an extent yes. He is not so bad, and potentially pretty good, but he does need games and won't get them here.

Given he was knocking on the door of the first team at this point a year ago, he is nowhere near it now so I suspect if he doesn't want to leave now then he soon will.

Also, I believe his contract is up next summer
 
N'gog is thoroughly average, and should never have been bought. I can't even see a great deal of potential in him. If he makes a career for himself at anything more than a mid-table club I'll be fucking amazed.
 
While it's true that every player at a club like ours has to be of a certain minimum standard, we're not going to have a squad full of stars. The question with fringe players like N'Gog is whether they are good enough to be squaddies for us. I think he is, so I don't think £8 mill.is unreasonable at least as a starting-point for haggling with other clubs interested in him.
 
I think that conversation would go something like:

"How much do you want for him?"

"£8m"

"AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!" *CLICK*

Try starting at £5m, with a more realistic target of around £3m. We'll still have made a profit on him, which is about the best we can hope for.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42595.msg1339657#msg1339657 date=1306488473]
While it's true that every player at a club like ours has to be of a certain minimum standard, we're not going to have a squad full of stars. The question with fringe players like N'Gog is whether they are good enough to be squaddies for us. I think he is, so I don't think £8 mill.is unreasonable at least as a starting-point for haggling with other clubs interested in him.
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Yes & no, he's just below what I would consider squad worthy (if we want to push for top 4), but he will be that good with enough games. We cant offer him that nor be prepared to risk offering him that.

It's best for all if he moves on.
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42595.msg1339597#msg1339597 date=1306482807]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1339569#msg1339569 date=1306468349]
Who's going to pay 8m for Ngog?
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Absolutely no one.
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We've got to start at a high figure as a decent bargaining position, we've been doing it for a while which is why we don't get screwed that much when selling players. He'll probably go for about £5m, which is worth it when you see the fees being quoted for the likes of Carlton Cole.

He'll do a good job for a midtable side and he's got age on his side to get better.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=42595.msg1339695#msg1339695 date=1306491023]
I think that conversation would go something like:

"How much do you want for him?"

"£8m"

"AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!" *CLICK*

Try starting at £5m, with a more realistic target of around £3m. We'll still have made a profit on him, which is about the best we can hope for.
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Never know, we might find someone as dumb as we used to be
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42595.msg1339704#msg1339704 date=1306491369]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42595.msg1339597#msg1339597 date=1306482807]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1339569#msg1339569 date=1306468349]
Who's going to pay 8m for Ngog?
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Absolutely no one.
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We've got to start at a high figure as a decent bargaining position, we've been doing it for a while which is why we don't get screwed that much when selling players. He'll probably go for about £5m, which is worth it when you see the fees being quoted for the likes of Carlton Cole.

He'll do a good job for a midtable side and he's got age on his side to get better.
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This. What Del sets out in that post above is the Parry approach. Parry would have sold Torres for £35 mill.tops.
 
Other papers picking up this figure/news.

Liverpool have slapped an £8million price tag on David Ngog.

Ngog has mustered 19 goals in 94 appearances for Liverpool as an understudy to Fernando Torres during his time at Anfield and could remain in the Premier League if West Brom and Newcastle choose to follow up their initial interest.

The Frenchman's exit from Anfield appears inevitable following the arrival of Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll during the January transfer window and the Reds plan to cash in on the striker – by selling him for over five times what they paid for him from Paris Saint-Germain in 2008.

Ngog, 22, made 38 appearances in all competitions last season, scoring only two league goals out of a grand total of eight.
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LIVERPOOL have slapped an £8million price tag on striker David Ngog.

The Reds are prepared to sell the 22-year-old Frenchman who is keen to secure regular first team football.

There have been a number of enquiries from clubs across Europe, including Newcastle United, but there have so far been no bids matching Liverpool’s valuation.

Ngog has scored 19 goals in 94 appearances for the Reds since his £1.5million move from Paris St Germain three years ago.

The former France Under-21 international made 18 starts and a further 20 substitute appearances this season but his chances were severely limited following the Reds’ £57.8million swoop for strikers Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll in January.

Ngog was handed just two starts under Kenny Dalglish – both in the Europa League, and five of his eight goals this term came in Europe.

A fee of £8million would represent a big return on Liverpool’s investment but they believe it’s a fair amount for developing Ngog from an unknown rookie into a relatively experienced top flight frontman.
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[quote author=Binny link=topic=42595.msg1339978#msg1339978 date=1306550435]
LIVERPOOL have slapped an £8million price tag on striker David Ngog.

The Reds are prepared to sell the 22-year-old Frenchman who is keen to secure regular first team football.

There have been a number of enquiries from clubs across Europe, including Newcastle United, but there have so far been no bids matching Liverpool’s valuation.

Ngog has scored 19 goals in 94 appearances for the Reds since his £1.5million move from Paris St Germain three years ago.

The former France Under-21 international made 18 starts and a further 20 substitute appearances this season but his chances were severely limited following the Reds’ £57.8million swoop for strikers Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll in January.

Ngog was handed just two starts under Kenny Dalglish – both in the Europa League, and five of his eight goals this term came in Europe.

A fee of £8million would represent a big return on Liverpool’s investment but they believe it’s a fair amount for developing Ngog from an unknown rookie into a relatively experienced top flight frontman.
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Dear Ashley,

Special offer just for you.
> Ngog + Poulsen (you need a hard man to take Barton's place) + Konchesky (lovely reunion with Pardew) + 30m = Carroll + Enrique.

We'll throw in free delivery.

Love,
KK and DC
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42595.msg1339741#msg1339741 date=1306496717]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42595.msg1339704#msg1339704 date=1306491369]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42595.msg1339597#msg1339597 date=1306482807]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1339569#msg1339569 date=1306468349]
Who's going to pay 8m for Ngog?
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Absolutely no one.
[/quote]

We've got to start at a high figure as a decent bargaining position, we've been doing it for a while which is why we don't get screwed that much when selling players. He'll probably go for about £5m, which is worth it when you see the fees being quoted for the likes of Carlton Cole.

He'll do a good job for a midtable side and he's got age on his side to get better.
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This. What Del sets out in that post above is the Parry approach. Parry would have sold Torres for £35 mill.tops.
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With Torres we had a real asset to bargain with. N'gog is just a journeyman from the French league. We should be trying to get rid of him, and an £8m price tag is unlikely to have anybody queuing up for him.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=42595.msg1340006#msg1340006 date=1306568426]
With Torres we had a real asset to bargain with. N'gog is just a journeyman from the French league. We should be trying to get rid of him, and an £8m price tag is unlikely to have anybody queuing up for him.
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Well, that's just patently untrue, isn't it?

He's not a journeyman. He's a youngster we took a punt on and has since proven he can score a few goals.

8M is perhaps a high price to quote, but I don't see any reason why we should be giving him away for next to nothing. It'll be of no benefit to him or us if he continues to sit on our bench, but other clubs will see value in him playing a more prominent role for them.
 
I know you have a soft spot for him keni, but he's shit. He could hardly get a game at PSG FFS. Every now and again he does something eye-catching, and people get all carried away, apparently ignoring the fact that he's painfully bad the rest of the time. Akinbiyi used to do something eye-catching every now and again, but that didn't alter the fact that he was a Championship striker, who belonged in the Championship. N'gog wouldn't look out of place there.

If he was playing for the Mancs, we'd be laughing at them. And rightly so.
 
I may have had a soft spot for him, but I'm not sure that comes into it.

He was 19 when we bought him from PSG and just breaking through. It's not unheard of for players at that age to struggle to get into the first team. You might argue that talent will see you in the first team, but no-one is suggesting that he is some prodigious talent.

He's now 22. Jo was not much younger when City paid near enough 20M for him after a decent spell at CSKA. Had N'Gog have been playing week in, week out in that kind of environment, he'd probably end up with a decent scoring record that looks good on paper as well.

If Man Utd can get 6M for Kieran Richardson, why can't we get a decent fee for N'Gog?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42595.msg1340020#msg1340020 date=1306572290]
I may have had a soft spot for him, but I'm not sure that comes into it.

He was 19 when we bought him from PSG and just breaking through. It's not unheard of for players at that age to struggle to get into the first team. You might argue that talent will see you in the first team, but no-one is suggesting that he is some prodigious talent.

He's now 22. Jo was not much younger when City paid near enough 20M for him after a decent spell at CSKA. Had N'Gog have been playing week in, week out in that kind of environment, he'd probably end up with a decent scoring record that looks good on paper as well.

If Man Utd can get 6M for Kieran Richardson, why can't we get a decent fee for N'Gog?
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Because you'd have to insane to pay that for him. And do you think N'gog is any better than Richardson? I don't. It wouldn't surprise me if when N'gog leaves us, we never see or hear about him again. He'll be swallowed up by the gaping mouth of mediocrity.
 
The fact is that someone did pay 6M for Richardson and numerous other shit players have been flogged for absurd sums of money. We should know, we've been on the wrong end of too many of those deals.

I'm not suggesting that we can sell for him for 8M, 6M or any particular figure. I'm just saying that I don't agree with the starting position of "he's shit and we should be grateful to get *anything* for him".
 
The N'gog deal isnt something to be too concerned about, imo..we are certainly going to make profit on him, and it's up to the management to push for as much as we can get. It's certainly not impossible to imagine one of the newly promoted sides or someone in the Championship paying at least 5-6 million for him.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42595.msg1340024#msg1340024 date=1306573353]
The fact is that someone did pay 6M for Richardson and numerous other shit players have been flogged for absurd sums of money. We should know, we've been on the wrong end of too many of those deals.

I'm not suggesting that we can sell for him for 8M, 6M or any particular figure. I'm just saying that I don't agree with the starting position of "he's shit and we should be grateful to get *anything* for him".
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That wasn't my starting position. I expect us to make a modest profit on him, if only because we've raised his profile slightly by giving him some games.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try and get the best price for him, I just think a price tag of £8m is unrealistic, and potentially prohibitive.
 
Stoke boss Tony Pulis is thought to be considering a double move for Liverpool pair David Ngog and Christian Poulsen.

The duo are believed to be surplus to requirements at Anfield as Reds manager Kenny Dalglish looks to remodel his squad after being handed the reins at Anfield on a permanent basis.

Pulis is also understood to be interested in Manchester United midfielder Darron Gibson and Manchester City winger Shaun Wright-Phillips, while a fresh move for Tottenham star Jermaine Jenas is also likely.

The City boss expects plenty of movement from the Premier League's big clubs this summer and hopes to take advantage of their need to balance their books accordingly.

"I expect it to be a busy close-season," said Pulis. "A lot of money will be spent at the top end of the market - not just Man City, as everyone expects, but also United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Tottenham. I think they will all have a go.

"That either clogs up the market because unwanted players are sitting on big contracts that clubs like us will not pay, or hopefully it might free the market up if their clubs help out so we can do the deals."
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i dont understand how anone would be even remotely interested in poulsen. i bet pulis goes to boots and tries to buy mesh jonnies
 
Sunderland will complete a £5million move for Liverpool's David Ngog next week.

The Wearsiders will seal the deal next week when the player returns from holiday.

Chairman Niall Quinn has also tied up a £700k deal for South Korea striker Ji Dong Won, but a swoop for Ipswich starlet Connor Wickham is on hold as Liverpool are set to table a £10m offer.
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SUNDERLAND look set to land South Korean international striker Ji Dong-Won as manager Steve Bruce looks to bolster his attacking options.

Ji currently plays for K-League side Chunnam Dragons and has long been on the Black Cats’ radar. He could put pen to paper early next week in a deal mooted to be just under £1million.

The 20-year-old has scored nine goals in 32 appearances for the Dragons but has been in more prolific form for his country with six in 11 games.

That run included one in a friendly against Ghana this week in which current Sunder-land hitman Asamoah Gyan scored for the Black Stars, but the Koreans still won 2-1.

South Korea boss Cho Kwang-Rae backed the 6ft 1in marksman to be a hit in the Premier League, saying: “He is tall, but also fast and smart. I think he can play really well in Europe if he can add some more power.”

Ji’s move could prove timely if the arrival of Liverpool fringe striker David Ngog falls through, although The Journal understands the move has only been put on hold as both the player and his agent are on holiday.

The Frenchman was due to arrive on Wearside as part of the transfer of midfielder Jordan Henderson to Anfield, which was completed last night. The deal was meant to be worth more than £20million but only £16m has changed hands so far.
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4-5m then, instead of the rumoured 7-8m. Still not a bad fee though.
 
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