Yeah the quote is from Sky coverage of the presser
Our Harv.
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We have no recall option, but Villa haven't met the terms of purchasing him. He's still our player technically, it's a cuntish attitude to have, especially given Elliott's situation. He's basically saying he's not our problem.
I'm not sure why you're repeatedly defending him, he's an obnoxious, cold fucking bore.
He was asked about Elliott's situation after Emery said he's not playing him because that would trigger the obligation to buy clause and they already decided against signing him permanently. It's not out of context either, that's literally everything he's had to say about it
Makes sense, it is a bit of a mess. Slot is obviously struggling, and on the defensive, tough place to be, to manage fans, players and owners.
Even if he doesn't rate him / hates him, Elliot is still an "asset" and has been wasting away and deprecating at Villa. It doesn't make sense to keep him there from a business perspective or from a footballing one (and I don't rate Elliot half as highly as a lot of you guys).
Only Klopp wouldn’t actually have ever allowed Harvey to go on loan in the first place. He sent him on loan when it was the right thing to do but this season? No way.
Although that was probably what was going through his mind when he heard the news.
I don't particularly like him as a person, but it is very hard to compare to Klopp. It seems to be that some people will attach whatever he does at the minute, as he's rubbed people up the wrong way, and some of it seems an over reaction to me. Maybe not in this case.
Harvey situation is a bit of a mess though, feels like there's more happening than we're aware of.
To be fair, if there was a player who Klopp was happy to lose, and that player wanted to go to a particular club I expect he wouldn't block it, even if the terms were a bit odd.
I agree that I'm sure he would have dealt with the subsequent situation in a much better way though.
I agree that I'm sure he would have dealt with the subsequent situation in a much better way though.
Not forgetting Slot said these in early Dec
He doesn’t have to go to Klopp’s extent, but at a human level, he should at least show some respect, sympathy, or encouragement, rather than appearing unbothered or uninterested. Similar to his attitude towards youth prospects, there seems to be a rather lackadaisical approach to players who don’t feature in his plans or whom he doesn’t rate.
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From a player who only featured 116 mins under Klopp:
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"Throughout last season, I was getting texts off him if one of our games was on tele that he had watched. It was good to know that when you go out on loan, you're not just forgotten about, which may happen at some teams.
"We have a loan guy who you keep in regular contact with, so when you're getting regular messages off the manager, it always gives you that boost."
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“In terms of the manager at Liverpool, he is a great man-manager and he always has time for his players. He respects every player in the same way. I had a few chats with him and I was happy to come to Hull”
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Asked about his plans for the defender this summer, Klopp told his pre-West Ham United press conference: “We are in constant contact. Pep Lijnders created a group with our on-loan players – a WhatsApp group – and we are watching really closely what he is doing. It is great, obviously.
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“I didn’t really speak to him myself before I went out on loan, but I had texts from him, just saying go out and enjoy it, do your best and get as many games as possible,” he said."
“We’ve got a group for all the loanees and he texts into it when I get an assist or I score or have played well.
“He and the coaches are always texting in, wishing us all the best for the games and saying well done if I score.
“That’s been massive that they’re still keeping in contact and want to know how I’m doing and settling in. It’s reassuring to know they are still thinking of you and Liverpool have been great that way.”
He doesn’t have to go to Klopp’s extent, but at a human level, he should at least show some respect, sympathy, or encouragement, rather than appearing unbothered or uninterested. Similar to his attitude towards youth prospects, there seems to be a rather lackadaisical approach to players who don’t feature in his plans or whom he doesn’t rate.
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From a player who only featured 116 mins under Klopp:
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"Throughout last season, I was getting texts off him if one of our games was on tele that he had watched. It was good to know that when you go out on loan, you're not just forgotten about, which may happen at some teams.
"We have a loan guy who you keep in regular contact with, so when you're getting regular messages off the manager, it always gives you that boost."
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“In terms of the manager at Liverpool, he is a great man-manager and he always has time for his players. He respects every player in the same way. I had a few chats with him and I was happy to come to Hull”
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Asked about his plans for the defender this summer, Klopp told his pre-West Ham United press conference: “We are in constant contact. Pep Lijnders created a group with our on-loan players – a WhatsApp group – and we are watching really closely what he is doing. It is great, obviously.
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Jurgen Klopp has been keeping in regular contact with his young loanees with Conor Bradley opening up on his words of encouragement during his stint at Bolton
“I didn’t really speak to him myself before I went out on loan, but I had texts from him, just saying go out and enjoy it, do your best and get as many games as possible,” he said."
“We’ve got a group for all the loanees and he texts into it when I get an assist or I score or have played well.
“He and the coaches are always texting in, wishing us all the best for the games and saying well done if I score.
“That’s been massive that they’re still keeping in contact and want to know how I’m doing and settling in. It’s reassuring to know they are still thinking of you and Liverpool have been great that way.”
It'd be really hard to be compared with Klopp in terms of his humanity. The guy is wired in such a way that he craves the company of other people. The one and only time I met him was because there were hardly any players at Melwood and he needed to be with people, so he came and joined a meeting that was nothing to do with him. He was warm, funny and insightful, everything you saw on the telly. So honestly, there's only a handful of people who can live up to that.
But I'd still have expected Slot to be in fairly regular contact with a first-teamer out on loan, especially one in such a difficult position, even if it was only so he could tell the press, when asked, that they'd spoken. He can't even do that. That's cold.
I feel so sorry for Harvey. On the back of an excellent summer with the U21s, this really should have been the season for him to kick on.
But I'd still have expected Slot to be in fairly regular contact with a first-teamer out on loan, especially one in such a difficult position, even if it was only so he could tell the press, when asked, that they'd spoken. He can't even do that. That's cold.
I feel so sorry for Harvey. On the back of an excellent summer with the U21s, this really should have been the season for him to kick on.
And covers more ground than all but Szobo over 90 minutes.
Hughes could probably make it happen if he wanted to, but Slot would play him as much as Rio - at best.
It applies in this case too. Watching the full interview is very different from the way the quotes are being represented.
The thing is I think Harvey's situation can only be solved if Villa cancel his loan but when doing so they have to pay a fee for terminating it early. Given how reluctant they are its probably a fee higher than what his wages are for the rest of the season. Imho Slot can't say much else, but he could also, maybe, praise his qualities and boost his confidence.
The media department might have given him instructions to how he should answer those questions for all that we know given it could turn into a legal matter. I know that narrative won't suit the Slot bashing though, but its one thing wanting a new manager and another blaming him for all but the Maduro kidnapping. He's still our manager and I'm not particularly fond of this Arsenal/Utd attitude were we attack our own manager/club when we want to replace him or create changes.
Its not a good look and there is always some context. I want him replaced but until it happens he's part of the club.
He can't given Villa would have to pay a fee for terminating the loan.
Elliott can't be a like for like for Wirtz but if we sell Chiesa then he can take his squad role and probably expect the same or less minutes.
I must have missed his crappy attitude previously, see Quansah, Chiesa and so on. Did he have his hands tied in red tape then too?
So he should come back for 5 minute cameos?
He should just ask for his release from Liverpool and go for a club that will play him.
He needs to look out for his career
I sometimes wonder if crappy attitude is mistaken for Dutch directness and bluntness. Doesn't really matter as he'll be gone in a few months.
He might get a new chance with a new manager.
I've always heard of Dutch directness and never seen it. Slots the first consistent dutch person I've paid attention to.
Feels like "Dutch directness" is the same as "precocious" when it comes to describing a little kid who absolutely is a prick.
Not good enough for what?
Would I feel more confident against Arsenal tonight if Elliott was in the side? No, not really.
But we're failing to beat Leeds, Sunderland, Brentford and Palace. We're getting battered by Forest and PSV.
Elliott is clearly good enough to play a role in the Premier League, because he has done so.
Van Dijk is Dutch too and he always seems nice
For us?
Maybe he could come on the last 15 like Chiesa when the opposition is pinned back, but his lack of physical attributes is really limiting. If he only was quick, it would make a world of difference.
He's probably not gonna be a star player for Liverpool, but he's good enough to play in the Premier League. We are playing in the Premier League, we are struggling to beat the average sides in the Premier League. I don't accept that Elliott wouldn't be able to make a positive difference for us as things stand.
Absolutely. He is good enough to be a squad option for us, especially with the amount of games we should have if competing for trophies. He should have started more games last year when Slot was running the same 12 players ragged.
So it's not a Dutch thing, it's a slots a prick thing
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