Disagree. Even in his best form he rarely runs his fullback directly, his best games this season have come when he was wide right and on his game, and last night was itself an object lesson in why he shouldn't be played down the middle.
Pay him what he wants!
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Disagree. Even in his best form he rarely runs his fullback directly, his best games this season have come when he was wide right and on his game, and last night was itself an object lesson in why he shouldn't be played down the middle.
The mbappe remark was tongue in cheek.
Time will tell if letting him go on a free next year would’ve been a better financial decision than his bumper deal. We may have backed ourself into a very expensive corner.
What a silly rant of a thread. He has 17 goals and 6 assists this year, and is on pace for 30 plus goals for his SEVENTH consecutive season.
At any given time in football, there are about 10 humans on the planet capable of scoring 30+ goals a season. All of them command the highest salaries in football. Salah happens to be one of them. To suggest that he doesn't deserve 350k is lunacy. It's the going rate for a forward of his calibre.
We've made some strange recruitment decisions over the last 4 years, but giving Salah a short 3 year extension, when he never gets injured and is still producing goals at an elite level is the least of them.
We have plenty of problems - Salah's contract isn't one of them.
At any given time in football, there are about 10 humans on the planet capable of scoring 30+ goals a season. All of them command the highest salaries in football. Salah happens to be one of them. To suggest that he doesn't deserve 350k is lunacy. It's the going rate for a forward of his calibre.
We've made some strange recruitment decisions over the last 4 years, but giving Salah a short 3 year extension, when he never gets injured and is still producing goals at an elite level is the least of them.
We have plenty of problems - Salah's contract isn't one of them.
At a time United dominated domestic football and transfer fees weren't insane. We'll never see that again so it's pointless comparing that era to this.
I mean like seriously WTAF? Did you miss the bit where he's on target for his 2nd best goal scoring season ever? If a striker does what he's paid for, score goals, then let the rest of the team cover the other functions.
If, buts and maybes. We have one of the world's top goal scorers and you want to change him and gamble with the transfer fee (as if anyone would pay what you are suggesting when he only had a year left on his contract - it's more likely we'd have lost him on a free). How often does banking the money over proven quality actually work out - the EPL is full of utter transfer car crashes and it's not easy to say if Player A or Player B is going to reach similar heights to the world class player you've just ditched.
You really really picked the wrong time to start this thread. 17 goals and counting this season.
We fold like pack of cards because the whole system is fundamentally broken. Including Salah. Ronaldo was the scum’s best player last season based on goals. Yet we laughed because he caused more issues.
What marking would you give him for last night? How many 8s, 9s or 10s has he delivered over the last year? Are you happy with his all round game?
What marking would you give him for last night? How many 8s, 9s or 10s has he delivered over the last year? Are you happy with his all round game?
Who would anyone replace him with? Someone whose going to be better than him for the same amount of money? I don't think he exists. And even if he does would you trust whoever is recruiting to find him?
He's best when we're playing on the counter. He's best played on the right. Does anyone know what our tactics are at the minute? Does anyone know where Salah is going to play when the team sheet comes out? I don't.
He's best when we're playing on the counter. He's best played on the right. Does anyone know what our tactics are at the minute? Does anyone know where Salah is going to play when the team sheet comes out? I don't.
The stats suggest otherwise JJ. I was in your boat until I studied those stats. They very strongly suggest he is more successful played as a CF.
He has 362 games played as RW and has scored 181 goals with an extra 89 assists. That's a goals per game stat of 0.500 and a goal involvement of 0.746 per game. Compare that to his stats when played at CF (43 games) : he has scored 37 goals with an extra 11 assists. That's a goals per game stat of 0.86 and a goal involvement of 1.17 per game. That's quite exceptional.
31 goals last season and 17 goals less than halfway through this. With those stats who the hell cares if he's a 6/10 every match?!
Almost certainly not hitting 30+ goals a season. Those players are very few and very expensive - as you yourself have literally just stated.
That is part of the problem... In the beginning he wasn't a striker... he just scored the goals from the right wing position... As he became solely focused on goals and Klopp indulged him more and more, in order to score the goals he became only a striker starting at the right wing position. It definitely pissed Mane off royally... The balance of the team shifted and others had to work even harder for him. It is part of the many problems we face today.
He also gets too selfish often which allow opposing teams to key in on what he wants to do more and more as time goes on. The 7 goals in the premier league is definitely a downgrade from what he was producing beforehand... Where would we be without Firmino's vein of form? But Salah was probably the hardest problem the squad builders faced, imo, so its kind of all acceptable if the rest of the job would have been done to a good level.
That's semantics. Whether he has played at RW or CF or 2nd striker - he's always been our main striker. Klopp is the one that converted him from a pure winger (Roma & Chelsea) into a goal scorer elite and that was from the very first season we signed him (44 goals in that first season).
As for Mane - how do we know what he actually thought? They had one real spat in 5 seasons and Mane always claimed there was no issue. Maybe Mane just didn't like playing second fiddle. People are quick to say this, that and the other with no actual proof, zero statements to endorse that opinion beyond conjecture. We were blessed to have them both.
I agree that it's in other positions where the real problems lie.
most certainly not semantics... His first season he was still very much a winger... when his purple patch of finishing started to wain, he started adjusting the way he was playing... that was endorsed by Klopp. It wasn't a problem at the time but it s harder to cover now. The types of goals he was scoring changed a bit.
It was quite visible with Mane, he showed frustration often on the pitch with the way Salah played and they had a period where they weren't passing to each other much. The fact you couldn't see that and most of the rest of the world could is what it is... No good professional, of which both of them are, would admit what was clear to see. Salah became more selfish, less defensively hard working and the midfield and left side of the team covered for it.
Because it’s to the detriment of the rest of the team. Just like Ronaldo last season.
We all know where he plays best. I can't think of another player in world football where you could hurl a ball at someone fifty yards out on the right wing and if there was ten yards of space in front of him, the whole ground would stand up, you'd pull your chair closer to the TV... who else has ever been able to do that?
But that's not what we're doing with him now because no-one gives him that space anymore. They used to have to because it was him or Mane. Now it's him or *pick an average left sided AM*
But that's not what we're doing with him now because no-one gives him that space anymore. They used to have to because it was him or Mane. Now it's him or *pick an average left sided AM*
If it wasn’t for him, who would have scored our 17 goals and actually been fit?
From an economic point of view, if we hadn’t extended then he would have walked for free but at least his resale value is protected with a longer contract.
Of all the bad decisions we made, this isn’t one.
If Salah had been sold, there is no way I can categorically say we would be in a better position in the league. We would have still only signed one midfielder in 4yrs, the defense would be still getting split with a single pass with a weak midfield and Ox and Naby would still pick up over 110k a week (which coincedently is what Salah’s icrement was about) for being injured/useless when played.
At least out of strikers he is fit and turns out fir every game (touch wood) unlike the other forwards who seem injury prone but still pick up a wage. Assuming main factor is Salah’s wage here…
From an economic point of view, if we hadn’t extended then he would have walked for free but at least his resale value is protected with a longer contract.
Of all the bad decisions we made, this isn’t one.
If Salah had been sold, there is no way I can categorically say we would be in a better position in the league. We would have still only signed one midfielder in 4yrs, the defense would be still getting split with a single pass with a weak midfield and Ox and Naby would still pick up over 110k a week (which coincedently is what Salah’s icrement was about) for being injured/useless when played.
At least out of strikers he is fit and turns out fir every game (touch wood) unlike the other forwards who seem injury prone but still pick up a wage. Assuming main factor is Salah’s wage here…
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Salah isn't the problem he has his dry baron runs but still bags 20+ each season. Mane wanted to go or wanted £350k- £400k per season according to some sources to stay.
2 seasons ago we were flying high around Christmas, we knew we needed defenders but only after a series of defeats did the club relent, and I don't need to remind you who we got. We stabilised our selves in about Feb and went on a 8-10 game winning run and secured 3rd. Klopp during one of the press briefing said transfers weren't down to him.
The summer gone we miss out on the French kid, and Mane leaves. We get Nunes and had to sell players to recoup his purchase. So again, left short of funds
Come this window we get Gakpo, and we needed a FW as we know another injury would have left us short, and Klopp announces that he has to sell before he can buy and that's how the club operates.
The biggest issue is FSG's transfer spend, it is blocking progress, everything else pales into insignificance. You could argue that Alvarez would have been better value than Nunez, but at the start of the season most of us knew it takes time to adapt to Klopp's style. In Nunez's first season he has scored 10 goals in all comps and 3 assists.
We fix our MF we fix our season and to do that the cnuts at the top have to be less frugal
I dont think he is worth the wages right now but he significantly overperformed his wages in the first few years of his signing. So on an average he has been worth what we pay him.
When we transition from one squad to another, we cannot sell everyone or let all the main players go. We do need keep some of the old spine.
When we transition from one squad to another, we cannot sell everyone or let all the main players go. We do need keep some of the old spine.
Semantics : People interpret words differently and draw different meanings from them. Example : regardless of whether you call Mo a winger or not he was still our main striker.
The same applies to the Mane - Salah relationship. You claim they were virtually at war, but that's because every time they didn't pass to the other that just strengthened your conviction, whether true or not, though you weren't alone, other fans believed it to be true. Whether due to media speculation or influenced by fan forums such as this.
Whereas it's more likely that their extremely competitive nature is what drove them to want to attempt to score, rather than pass, on occasion. Throwing your arms up, or some other expressive gesture, when not receiving the pass you wanted is common, you see it every game if you are looking for it. It rarely means anything more than frustration in the moment.
Neither has ever admitted there was any enmity, no current or ex-player has ever stated there was, there were no training ground fracas and moments of camaraderie are dismissed. There has never been anything to vindicate your stance ... but rumour and innuendo and 'your own eyes' being misled by your brain. The same accusation could be leveled at me I guess.
That's just not true. Talent gets paid more than managers in all sorts of entertainment.
Owners though, no.
If we had sold him last summer then we would have possibly got 50-60, now with him on a longer contract his resale value is possibly anything over 80m. I don’t quiet understand how by extending his contract, we have lost money? Financially we have protected his resale value regardless.
Also, if we had sold Salah, whom would have got the 17 goals this season? I hope no one says Mane, he moved on and was his choice.
Bobby who is for available 30% games? Jota with their injury record? Diaz who doesn’t have the goals to his game but also libg period out injured?
Nunez as a new recruit? Did we really have much option?
I understand the current narative to look for a simple solution but this isn’t one I don’t believe.
I am not sure about the sums you list in the beginning, but for me anyway, this is not a recent thought, as I think due to age mostly, we should have sold earlier.
A key question is how sellable he is now on the massive wages, at 30.
As for the 17 goals, that is an impossible question to answer.
I imagine the player taking over, in combo with other attackers, as a replacement would have been signed.
Nah just football.
& don't come at me with Tyson Fury, Novak Djokovic or Conor Mcgregror...these guys manage themselves.
I totally agree with you.
Instead of talking about the hole in midfield...
Put Messi in this team and we'd be scapegoating him too.
yea in IT the managers are often the plebs and the paupers, just there to arrange the meetings, look at numbers on spreadsheets and attempt to crack the whip
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