Pep Guardiola

[Glock21]

40 years of age, first manager ever won a sextuple in a season. Best Manager this, Best Manager that, Miguel Munoz, Onze d'Or blah blah blah. 4 years of managing Barcelona and won 12 fucking trophies.

So the question now is, is he that fucking good of a coach /manager?? Or Is he just fucking lucky to have Xavi Hernandez, Andres Iniesta, Carlos Puyol and Lionel Messi in his fucking team??

And if he manage us or any other team who don't have the privilege of having players in the quality as above would he succeed?? Can he fucking win anything?

I don't really fucking see anything special in him. I really do. Please do enlighten me what quality does he have and what the fuck does he do that i and some others don't seem to get it.




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[Fabio]

 

[Mystic]

He's taken a very good team and a very good system and continued it and added to it, most importantly he's motivated the players and instilled a sense of belief in them which doesn't budge. Good manager, great? Not so sure, he'd need to do it at another club to be a top top manager for me, however you cannot argue with his record. He was great in lost too.

 

[Roopy]

I like Guardiola because he's taken what was a fantastic side and transformed them into a side that is almost literally unbeatable.

Look at the next tier of teams like United & Madrid ...

United COMPLETELY outplayed in 2 European Cup finals.

Madrid basically abandon their own attacking philosophy and have 9 men defending with Ronaldo standing up top on his own.

And let's not forget his role in the youth academy & for Barca B - players like Busquets, Pedro, Messi, Pique, Fabregas were all coached by Gurdiola before they broke into the A side. And now he has full control over La Masia.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

 

[HC]

I don't know - bar the squad have there been any other personnel constants since pep took over ? Influential back room coaches?
Isn't/ wasnt the football philosophy and style pretty deeply engrained into the club prior to his arrival .

It'd probably be a bit unfair to say theyd have won as much without him but by the same token , I don't think he xould have been anywhere near as successful anywhere else .

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=Mystic link=topic=47140.msg1410496#msg1410496 date=1318247591]
He's taken a very good team and a very good system and continued it and added to it, most importantly he's motivated the players and instilled a sense of belief in them which doesn't budge. Good manager, great? Not so sure, he'd need to do it at another club to be a top top manager for me, however you cannot argue with his record. He was great in lost too.
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No one is arguing with his personal managerial record. It is simply awesome.


So lets take it this way, swap him and Mourinho and can he do it at Madrid? Can he motivate some of world class players in Madrid? Can he win something?

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=47140.msg1410504#msg1410504 date=1318248220]
I don't know - bar the squad have there been any other personnel constants since pep took over ? Influential back room coaches?
Isn't/ wasnt the football philosophy and style pretty deeply engrained into the club prior to his arrival .

It'd probably be a bit unfair to say theyd have won as much without him but by the same token , I don't think he xould have been anywhere near as successful anywhere else .


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The last part of your post means that he isn't the best manager out there and you don't have the confidence in him managing us and make us a great team in future. Why is that?

 

[Fabio]

 

[Glock21]

Fabio, if you feel those pictures will make you happy, please go ahead and post a thread in General Chat room not here. Thank you.

 

[Woland]

 

[Fabio]

my last attempt to ruin the thread (because i'm trolling)

hope no one is epileptic....

 

[LeTallecWiz]

 

[Wilko7]

I stopped reading after the third or fourth "fucking" Completely unnecessary and utterly ridiculous.

Where is the ignore feature these days?

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=Wilko link=topic=47140.msg1410527#msg1410527 date=1318249857]
I stopped reading after the third or fourth "fucking" Completely unnecessary and utterly ridiculous.

Where is the ignore feature these days?
[/quote]


Stop clicking on the thread title then.

 

[spider-Neil]

no matter how talented the squad or how special individual players in that squad are the manager should take the plaudits because you can be damn sure when things go tits up he will take the blame.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410553#msg1410553 date=1318252068]
no matter how talented the squad or how special individual players in that squad are the manager should take the plaudits because you can be damn sure when things go tits up he will take the blame.
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My question is how special is Pep Guardiola and if you take him out of that talented team can he do it at other clubs?
When some of the Barcelona's star players didn't play, Barca looked like a mid table team.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

On a tangent. How is Rijkaard getting on since he left them? He was highly rated by some on here at the time.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47140.msg1410561#msg1410561 date=1318252711]
On a tangent. How is Rijkaard getting on since he left them? He was highly rated by some on here at the time.
[/quote]


Got sacked after a year managing Galatasaray and now managing Saudi Arabia. Great player and a decent manager. Won a couple of titles with Barca if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=47140.msg1410531#msg1410531 date=1318250337]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=47140.msg1410527#msg1410527 date=1318249857]
I stopped reading after the third or fourth "fucking" Completely unnecessary and utterly ridiculous.

Where is the ignore feature these days?
[/quote]


Stop clicking on the thread title then.
[/quote]

The thread title is "Pep Guardiola" not "fucking" and therefore I thought it might be a worthwhile discussion.

Fuck off.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=Wilko link=topic=47140.msg1410564#msg1410564 date=1318253329]
[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=47140.msg1410531#msg1410531 date=1318250337]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=47140.msg1410527#msg1410527 date=1318249857]
I stopped reading after the third or fourth "fucking" Completely unnecessary and utterly ridiculous.

Where is the ignore feature these days?
[/quote]


Stop clicking on the thread title then.
[/quote]

The thread title is "Pep Guardiola" not "fucking" and therefore I thought it might be a worthwhile discussion.

Fuck off.
[/quote]


Criticise me for cursing and then you do the same?

 

[spider-Neil]

I realise some people are annoyed or bored by glock's persona but it was a reasonable question in the opening post. we're here to talk football, right?

 

[localny]

[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=47140.msg1410563#msg1410563 date=1318253263]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47140.msg1410561#msg1410561 date=1318252711]
On a tangent. How is Rijkaard getting on since he left them? He was highly rated by some on here at the time.
[/quote]


Got sacked after a year managing Galatasaray and now managing Saudi Arabia. Great player and a decent manager. Won a couple of titles with Barca if i'm not mistaken.
[/quote]

Why did Rijkaard fall so far so fast. surely he had a few top jobs in him..

 

[spider-Neil]

I think rijkaard should take plaudits for getting barca back on track. barca are the dominant team in spain now but when rijkaard took over that most definately was real madrid, in fact I remember beckham given a direct choice of barca and real and beckham choosing the later (which at the time was a no brainer).

rijkaard bought davids, bucky and introduced messi (and inesta?) turned barca's fortunes around and then pep took barca to another level.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=localny link=topic=47140.msg1410578#msg1410578 date=1318255141]
[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=47140.msg1410563#msg1410563 date=1318253263]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47140.msg1410561#msg1410561 date=1318252711]
On a tangent. How is Rijkaard getting on since he left them? He was highly rated by some on here at the time.
[/quote]


Got sacked after a year managing Galatasaray and now managing Saudi Arabia. Great player and a decent manager. Won a couple of titles with Barca if i'm not mistaken.
[/quote]

Why did Rijkaard fall so far so fast. surely he had a few top jobs in him..
[/quote]


He got sacked by Barca before that. So no surprise there. When you manage a team with attacking mentality and stop focusing much on the defence then you're in trouble. Rijkaard did just that. His team place nice attacking football but quite expose in defense.


He'll be around for another 4-5 years and retire to take care of the grandkids later.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47140.msg1410583#msg1410583 date=1318255922]
I think rijkaard should take plaudits for getting barca back on track. barca are the dominant team in spain now but when rijkaard took over that most definately was real madrid, in fact I remember beckham given a direct choice of barca and real and beckham choosing the later (which at the time was a no brainer).

rijkaard bought davids, bucky and introduced messi (and inesta?) turned barca's fortunes around and then pep to barca to another level.
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He got sacked by Barca when they lost to Madrid in the league and Manure in the CL. I would say he was a little unforturnate that Messi injured for quite a long time that season.

 

[Wizardry]

I'm not sure if it's Pep or if it was Davids but someone - and I'm pretty sure it was one of them - changed the Barca philosophy in defense. They chase and search for the ball like no other team I've ever seen...... ever. The only way to beat them, IMO, is to be able to stretch them with very quick ball movement through a number of players. Madrid and the the mancs were able to do it with 4 or 5 players but that's not enough. Barca swarm the opposition and this - as much as their super slick, super sexy football - is what wins them games.

I'd have to go back and really look at it but I've got a feeling this part of their game really came into being when Pep came on board. I don't think there's any way that Barca could keep it going for more than 20 or 25 minutes in a match before their legs would give way. That said, Guardiola seems to have taken the approach that no one has the capacity to make his team chase for that long in a match and, thus far, he's been proven correct. There was a period in one of the Madrid games last season where they kept the ball moving quickly for a period of time and Barca actually looked to slow down. Then they got a bit of possesion and the game changed again.

Guardiola deserves praise for the defensive side of it IMO but I don't think he's had as much to do with the attack side as some would make out. Very good but not great and he'd have to spend bucket loads or be given a number of years to build a successful team elsewhere.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]

I'm not sure if it's Pep or if it was Davids but someone - and I'm pretty sure it was one of them - changed the Barca philosophy in defense. They chase and search for the ball like no other team I've ever seen...... ever. The only way to beat them, IMO, is to be able to stretch them with very quick ball movement through a number of players. Madrid and the the mancs were able to do it with 4 or 5 players but that's not enough. Barca swarm the opposition and this - as much as their super slick, super sexy football - is what wins them games.

I'd have to go back and really look at it but I've got a feeling this part of their game really came into being when Pep came on board. I don't think there's any way that Barca could keep it going for more than 20 or 25 minutes in a match before their legs would give way. That said, Guardiola seems to have taken the approach that no one has the capacity to make his team chase for that long in a match and, thus far, he's been proven correct. There was a period in one of the Madrid games last season where they kept the ball moving quickly for a period of time and Barca actually looked to slow down. Then they got a bit of possesion and the game changed again.

Guardiola deserves praise for the defensive side of it IMO but I don't think he's had as much to do with the attack side as some would make out. Very good but not great and he'd have to spend bucket loads or be given a number of years to build a successful team elsewhere.
[/quote]
Very good post. Does it got to do with Puyol, Pique, Marquez(no longer with Barca) and Abidal? These 4 players could be the reason why Guardiola manage to get the defence together.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]
They chase and search for the ball like no other team I've ever seen...... ever. [/quote]

Excellent point -

[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]Guardiola deserves praise for the defensive side of it IMO but I don't think he's had as much to do with the attack side as some would make out. Very good but not great and he'd have to spend bucket loads or be given a number of years to build a successful team elsewhere.
[/quote]

1) Under his development, Iniesta, Xavi, Pedro, Busquets etc have blossomed. Most of these players were not in Riijkard's plans at all (I don't mean Pedro obviously).

2) I don't remember Barca ever being this dominating on the attacking side - he's instilled this, and it's worked to perfection.

3) I don't think we'll ever know how good he is until he goes to another club. It's the same thing with Mourinho, but he always goes to teams with money/top position, so it's hard to tell too.

4) Do you even remember Barca before Pep? I don't ... I don't remember them being this above the opposition, nor do I remember Madrid when they had their glacticos. I mean, they've embarassed Real, Manure, whoever. A lot of credit must go to the man who moulded this team.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47140.msg1410637#msg1410637 date=1318260125]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]
They chase and search for the ball like no other team I've ever seen...... ever. [/quote]

Excellent point -

[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=47140.msg1410622#msg1410622 date=1318259027]Guardiola deserves praise for the defensive side of it IMO but I don't think he's had as much to do with the attack side as some would make out. Very good but not great and he'd have to spend bucket loads or be given a number of years to build a successful team elsewhere.
[/quote]

1) Under his development, Iniesta, Xavi, Pedro, Busquets etc have blossomed. Most of these players were not in Riijkard's plans at all (I don't mean Pedro obviously).

2) I don't remember Barca ever being this dominating on the attacking side - he's instilled this, and it's worked to perfection.

3) I don't think we'll ever know how good he is until he goes to another club. It's the same thing with Mourinho, but he always goes to teams with money/top position, so it's hard to tell too.

4) Do you even remember Barca before Pep? I don't ... I don't remember them being this above the opposition, nor do I remember Madrid when they had their glacticos. I mean, they've embarassed Real, Manure, whoever. A lot of credit must go to the man who moulded this team.

[/quote]


Another good post. Well done.


I would say Guardiola has got the best out of Iniesta, Xavi and Messi. These three players were absolutely phenomenal and instrumental to what Barca has won over the past 4 years.


So we have a point here.


1. Guardiola got the best out of Iniesta, Xavi and Messi. Could be a few others, please list down if i forget to mention them here. He get the best out of the top class players.


2. ??