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Phil Jones - the next one from the rumour mill.

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I'm not sure I'd really want him now after he already chose United. But if we make United pay more for him than they probably should then this is the sort of shit I'm down with.

Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
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Reminds me of Fergie allegedly coming in for Adam in the Jan window..
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Yeah I was thinking of that too, it would be a nice little bit of revenge.
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Love it completely, that we are playing these games. I am sure Fergie knows Kenny has his number in certain ways. He knows KD is every bit as shrewd as himself (and other assorted scottish cliche/stereotypes)
 
The united fans are trying to claim we look foolish bidding for a player that doesnt want to come to us. Suppose they would say that.

Can anyone clear up the contract situation? Does bidding 16million trigger a sale? Do Blackburn have to accept that fee and Jones can then choose his club or can higher bids be made and subsequently accepted? I'm reading comments from fans alluding to both scenarios.
 
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The united fans are trying to claim we look foolish bidding for a player that doesnt want to come to us. Suppose they would say that.

Can anyone clear up the contract situation? Does bidding 16million trigger a sale? Do Blackburn have to accept that fee and Jones can then choose his club or can higher bids be made and subsequently accepted? I'm reading comments from fans alluding to both scenarios.
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Think what's left is for Utd to up their offer in order to seal the move. According to Daily Mail, Jones was give permission to speak to other clubs and decided on Utd.

Ewood Park officials were insisting last night that Jones remains their player and no deal has been done. It seems Venky’s believe the clause allows clubs to talk to the 19-year-old if they offer in excess of £16m, but does not force Blackburn to accept the bid.

But United maintain it means Jones can speak to any club he wants once the offer is made, and Blackburn are powerless to stop him from joining them.

Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham all met the asking price and spoke with Jones or his representatives, but the player chose United before passing a medical and agreeing personal terms on Wednesday.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2002336/Blackburn-block-Phil-Jones-transfer-Manchester-United.html#ixzz1P1emYMJL
 
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The united fans are trying to claim we look foolish bidding for a player that doesnt want to come to us. Suppose they would say that.

Can anyone clear up the contract situation? Does bidding 16million trigger a sale? Do Blackburn have to accept that fee and Jones can then choose his club or can higher bids be made and subsequently accepted? I'm reading comments from fans alluding to both scenarios.
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Legally no, they are not obliged to sell at any price, when you own an asset you can demand whatever anount you want for it. These clauses usually specify that the selling party is obliged to listen to an offer at or above that price and that any offer below that thresh hold can be dismissed out of hand without consulting the player, but they are not legaly obliged to sell.

If you were selling your house and had it listed for 250k and one guy offered you exactly that while another party offered 300k you would not be obliged to sell to either if you believed you could get more, you certainly wouldnt be obliged to sell for 50k less than an offer you had on the table
 
Blackburn may claim that United were in breach of transfer regulations when they were tipped off about the clause in the five-year deal that Jones signed with Rovers in February.

But United feel they have acted honourably - and will argue they offered more than the £16m tabled by Liverpool that triggered the clause.

The Sunday Mirror ­understands no complaint has been lodged with the Premier League. Unless Rovers can prove that United and other clubs had received ­confidential information about Jones contract it’s ­unlikely to stop the £16m transfer going ahead.
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Manchester United’s multi-million pound signing of teenage defender Phil Jones from Blackburn Rovers lies in tatters.

Blackburn’s Indian owners have reacted furiously to what they perceive as United’s attempt to railroad them into selling the 19-year-old and have told United: ‘We will not be bullied’.

And in a stunning 11th-hour development on Saturday, the Mail on Sunday can reveal that Liverpool have told Blackburn they will pay £22million for Jones, a move that will ruin Sir Alex Ferguson’s holiday mood as he takes a break in the south of France.
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I will be disgusted if we pay 22 million for him, this is nonsense he is potentially a good defender for that money you would want a world class experienced centre back, he is neither of those things, however if we force Utd to pay 23 million or back out completely then it would be pretty funny

I think this is a pretty obvious attempt by Kenny to send a message to Fergie, we will not be backing away from signings just because they are in for the same player anymore like we did with Vidic and Evra. He knows Jones wont be coming here now so he is sending a message with this stunt, the days of Utd walking all over us in the transfer market are over.

Kenny seems intent on pissing Fergie off as much as possible, distracting him possibly trying to make him lose focus, taking him out of the comfort zone he has been on for the last 10 years where every other manager in the league kissed his arse, except Jose who only did it in an openly sarcastic way while also doing his best to piss off Fergie too
 
Apperantly we've bid 21 mill for him. Still think Utd will sign him though. Maybe Kenny is pushing Fergies buttons a bit..
 
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The united fans are trying to claim we look foolish bidding for a player that doesnt want to come to us. Suppose they would say that.

Can anyone clear up the contract situation? Does bidding 16million trigger a sale? Do Blackburn have to accept that fee and Jones can then choose his club or can higher bids be made and subsequently accepted? I'm reading comments from fans alluding to both scenarios.
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Legally no, they are not obliged to sell at any price, when you own an asset you can demand whatever anount you want for it. These clauses usually specify that the selling party is obliged to listen to an offer at or above that price and that any offer below that thresh hold can be dismissed out of hand without consulting the player, but they are not legaly obliged to sell.

If you were selling your house and had it listed for 250k and one guy offered you exactly that while another party offered 300k you would not be obliged to sell to either if you believed you could get more, you certainly wouldnt be obliged to sell for 50k less than an offer you had on the table


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It depends entirely on the wording of the clause in the contract. The option that Juve had was legally enforceable and had they come up with the fee mentioned then we would have had to sell Aquilani at that price.
 
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I will be disgusted if we pay 22 million for him, this is nonsense he is potentially a good defender for that money you would want a world class experienced centre back, he is neither of those things, however if we force Utd to pay 23 million or back out completely then it would be pretty funny

I think this is a pretty obvious attempt by Kenny to send a message to Fergie, we will not be backing away from signings just because they are in for the same player anymore like we did with Vidic and Evra. He knows Jones wont be coming here now so he is sending a message with this stunt, the days of Utd walking all over us in the transfer market are over.

Kenny seems intent on pissing Fergie off as much as possible, distracting him possibly trying to make him lose focus, taking him out of the comfort zone he has been on for the last 10 years where every other manager in the league kissed his arse, except Jose who only did it in an openly sarcastic way while also doing his best to piss off Fergie too
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Definitely, and I love it. Kenny's bright enough and - crucially - tough enough to do it.

Game on. 8)
 
I dont want a player who didnt want to come to us.
But imagine if our last 4 signings were
Suarez - 20m
Carroll - 35m
Henderson - 18m
Jones - 22m
=95m in one and a bit transfer windows.
Fucking hell.
 
It's an amazing figure. I work out we'll be spending approx 95m this window on 7 players if the rumours are to be believed!

They obviously arent. Or at least you'd assume they arent to be believed!
 
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Jones dispute ramped up by RoversJune 11, 2011
Email Print By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent

Blackburn Rovers are conducting an internal investigation into how Manchester United became aware of Phil Jones' £16 million so-called 'get-out clause' to leave the club.


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Phil Jones: Still not a United player as dispute grows
• Jones valued by Rovers at £25 million • Jones on brink of United move
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ESPNsoccernet have been told by Rovers sources of a belief that Manchester United must have had sight of the contract, or indeed been told of the contract, to be so specific about what is contained it in the contract.

Rovers' advisers believe the clause is open to interpretation and the club's Indian owners do not wish to sell the player, and will not sell at the price being offered.

Venky's accept that Jones was entitled to inform the club that he wished to talk to Manchester United, or any club, who are prepared to evoke the clause, but Blackburn's lawyers dispute that the clause means that legally the club are obliged to sell their player for the set price.

Blackburn are contesting whether the clause that triggers the ability for Jones to talk to a club that offers £16 million also means that they are must accept the fee, or that they are entitled to ask for more money if other clubs are prepared to pay more. Blackburn want more for Jones and if United don't offer more, will refuse to sell.

As Jones has rejected overtures from Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, Blackburn know they will struggle to provoke an auction as rival bidders believe they are wasting their time on a players whose heart is set on a move to Old Trafford.

That has left United and Rovers in a stand-off position, which insiders inform ESPNsoccernet could be resolved on Monday with some kind of compromise offer from Manchester United.

If United continue to refuse to up their price then the issue might even result in Blackburn asking the Premier League how private and confidential contractual details were obtained by Manchester United. ESPNsoccernet believes that if United increased their offer to £20 million with some bolt-on additions then Blackburn will relinquish their legal arguments and avoid a Premier League complaint.

The Jones transfer has become one of the most messy deals of this summer as Blackburn contest the validity of get-out clauses in players' contracts.

It will also mean that the football authorities will need to look closely at the strength of get-out clauses and how confidential they can remain, or whether they have outlasted their usefulness, if they can produce disputes such as that has mushroomed between United and Blackburn.

ESPNsoccernet broke the story on Thursday that the Jones move to Manchester United was halted over over a dispute about the players' valuation.

Yet, for 24 hours the media continued to report that the deal was going through without any hitch as both clubs kept the dispute firmly under wraps. The player has already passed his medical and agreed personal terms with United, which normally happens after the clubs have agreed a fee. Premier League rules state that a player can only talk to a club and go through with the transfer procedures once a fee is agreed.

Manchester United would argue the fee was already set, but Blackburn are vehemently contesting that interpretation's validity.

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Where is Doctor Mc??

Should that not be invoke
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45600.msg1347667#msg1347667 date=1307838223]
I'm not sure I'd really want him now after he already chose United. But if we make United pay more for him than they probably should then this is the sort of shit I'm down with.

Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
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I'd just love to have a look at that contract.

If it is a get-out clause like the one Reina has (does he still have it?) then Rovers are pretty much fucked; still, the Scum might just stump up another 4 or 5 million to shut them (and Kenny ;D ) up.
 
S'alright... Ferguson will just be on the phone to Steve Bruce and inform him that he'll probably be needing him to buy another player or two this summer.
 
A top football wheeler-dealer said last night: “United’s transfer business is the talk of the game.

‘‘And the big question is where all this money is coming from, given the level of debt at the club. The level of spending is eye-opening.

‘‘The word is that this is money from Qatar, where the royal family want to buy United from the Glazers.’’

“It could be that some sort of deal, possibly a loan or a down-payment, has already been made.”

Qatar Holdings, the financial arm of the ruling Al Thanis, have regularly been linked with a near-£2billion takeover at United despite Old Trafford denials.
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:🙂
 
ha! awesome, a lot of money but theres still something inside me which says that its still going to be a good deal for them, think jones will be a fixture of that team for a long time
 
Phil Jones signs for United as Fergie pulls off a coup

MANCHESTER UNITED have completed the signing of Phil Jones from Blackburn.

June 12, 2011

And Sir Alex Ferguson has pulled off another 11th-hour triumph over Arsenal and Arsene Wenger, who thought they had won the race for the England under-21 international.

Blackburn owners, Venky's, were said to be demanding more money from United but have now agreed a £16.5million deal, rising to almost £20m if United win the title and Jones gains a certain number of full England caps.

But Arsenal are furious after being outwitted by Ferguson again, just as they were over Chris Smalling last year.

The Gunners believed they had all but sealed a double deal for Jones and fellow Rovers defender Christopher Samba last week. But instead Jones flew to the South of France, where Ferguson was on holiday, and returned from meeting the Manchester United boss to tell Blackburn he wanted to go to Old Trafford.

A source said: "Phil was all but convinced he was going to go to Arsenal - but then he went to France to see Fergie. And when you meet Fergie, you tend to end up signing for him."

Arsenal declined to comment but the episode has horrible echoes for them of what happened with Smalling.

Arsenal thought they had snapped up Jones' England Under-21 team-mate from Fulham for £7m plus £3m in add-on clauses. But Fergie swooped with a £10m plus £2m bid and Smalling was part of United's record- breaking 19th title win.

In the Jones case, United, Arsenal and Tottenham are all thought to have offered the £16.5m release clause.

Arsenal thought they had won the day, with manager Wenger pledging to build his defence for the next decade around 19-year-old Jones.

But by Wednesday morning, Jones was in Manchester having a medical and agreeing personal terms.
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So basically someone at Blackburn has let Kenny know that they'd tapped him up, & they were trying to up the price by threatening them.

Kenny then has the opportunity to make friends at blackburn, force Fergie to pay more, or even maybe get the fucker to cut his nose off to spite his face & let us have him for 22m.

No brainer. Nice work by all concerned. He must've been apoplectic.
 
Good stuff.
Hes got shit hair and i dont want the motherfucker.
Gary Cahill still the one id like.
 
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Good stuff.
Hes got shit hair and i dont want the motherfucker.
Gary Cahill still the one id like.
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If we were going to pay 16mil for the manc cunt, im sure we can offer that 16 and sign Cahill who is better and more experienced.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45600.msg1347820#msg1347820 date=1307884717]
Good stuff.
Hes got shit hair and i dont want the motherfucker.
Gary Cahill still the one id like.
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Agreed.
 
From Scum.com

Phil Jones is United's first signing of summer 2011 after the Reds successfully negotiated a transfer with his current club Blackburn Rovers.

A club statement published on Monday reads as follows:

"Manchester United is delighted to announce it has signed an agreement with Blackburn Rovers for the transfer of Phil Jones.

"The player passed a medical in Manchester last week and has agreed a 5-year contract. The deal will be completed once the player returns from international duty."

Jones, 19, came through the youth ranks at Blackburn before turning professional on 1 July 2009. He made his senior debut two months later, in a Carling Cup victory at Nottingham Forest, and went on to make a total of 40 appearances for Rovers.

The robust central defender, who can also play in midfield, has been capped seven times so far by England at Under-21 level. The latest appearance was in Denmark on Sunday, when he started alongside new club colleagues Tom Cleverley, Chris Smalling and Danny Welbeck in the 1-1 draw with Spain in the UEFA Under-21 Championships.
 
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