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Jones dispute ramped up by RoversJune 11, 2011
Email Print By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
Blackburn Rovers are conducting an internal investigation into how Manchester United became aware of Phil Jones' £16 million so-called 'get-out clause' to leave the club.
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Phil Jones: Still not a United player as dispute grows
• Jones valued by Rovers at £25 million • Jones on brink of United move
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ESPNsoccernet have been told by Rovers sources of a belief that Manchester United must have had sight of the contract, or indeed been told of the contract, to be so specific about what is contained it in the contract.
Rovers' advisers believe the clause is open to interpretation and the club's Indian owners do not wish to sell the player, and will not sell at the price being offered.
Venky's accept that Jones was entitled to inform the club that he wished to talk to Manchester United, or any club, who are prepared to evoke the clause, but Blackburn's lawyers dispute that the clause means that legally the club are obliged to sell their player for the set price.
Blackburn are contesting whether the clause that triggers the ability for Jones to talk to a club that offers £16 million also means that they are must accept the fee, or that they are entitled to ask for more money if other clubs are prepared to pay more. Blackburn want more for Jones and if United don't offer more, will refuse to sell.
As Jones has rejected overtures from Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, Blackburn know they will struggle to provoke an auction as rival bidders believe they are wasting their time on a players whose heart is set on a move to Old Trafford.
That has left United and Rovers in a stand-off position, which insiders inform ESPNsoccernet could be resolved on Monday with some kind of compromise offer from Manchester United.
If United continue to refuse to up their price then the issue might even result in Blackburn asking the Premier League how private and confidential contractual details were obtained by Manchester United. ESPNsoccernet believes that if United increased their offer to £20 million with some bolt-on additions then Blackburn will relinquish their legal arguments and avoid a Premier League complaint.
The Jones transfer has become one of the most messy deals of this summer as Blackburn contest the validity of get-out clauses in players' contracts.
It will also mean that the football authorities will need to look closely at the strength of get-out clauses and how confidential they can remain, or whether they have outlasted their usefulness, if they can produce disputes such as that has mushroomed between United and Blackburn.
ESPNsoccernet broke the story on Thursday that the Jones move to Manchester United was halted over over a dispute about the players' valuation.
Yet, for 24 hours the media continued to report that the deal was going through without any hitch as both clubs kept the dispute firmly under wraps. The player has already passed his medical and agreed personal terms with United, which normally happens after the clubs have agreed a fee. Premier League rules state that a player can only talk to a club and go through with the transfer procedures once a fee is agreed.
Manchester United would argue the fee was already set, but Blackburn are vehemently contesting that interpretation's validity.
Email Print By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
Blackburn Rovers are conducting an internal investigation into how Manchester United became aware of Phil Jones' £16 million so-called 'get-out clause' to leave the club.
GettyImages
Phil Jones: Still not a United player as dispute grows
• Jones valued by Rovers at £25 million • Jones on brink of United move
• On The Move - Transfer Blog
ESPNsoccernet have been told by Rovers sources of a belief that Manchester United must have had sight of the contract, or indeed been told of the contract, to be so specific about what is contained it in the contract.
Rovers' advisers believe the clause is open to interpretation and the club's Indian owners do not wish to sell the player, and will not sell at the price being offered.
Venky's accept that Jones was entitled to inform the club that he wished to talk to Manchester United, or any club, who are prepared to evoke the clause, but Blackburn's lawyers dispute that the clause means that legally the club are obliged to sell their player for the set price.
Blackburn are contesting whether the clause that triggers the ability for Jones to talk to a club that offers £16 million also means that they are must accept the fee, or that they are entitled to ask for more money if other clubs are prepared to pay more. Blackburn want more for Jones and if United don't offer more, will refuse to sell.
As Jones has rejected overtures from Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, Blackburn know they will struggle to provoke an auction as rival bidders believe they are wasting their time on a players whose heart is set on a move to Old Trafford.
That has left United and Rovers in a stand-off position, which insiders inform ESPNsoccernet could be resolved on Monday with some kind of compromise offer from Manchester United.
If United continue to refuse to up their price then the issue might even result in Blackburn asking the Premier League how private and confidential contractual details were obtained by Manchester United. ESPNsoccernet believes that if United increased their offer to £20 million with some bolt-on additions then Blackburn will relinquish their legal arguments and avoid a Premier League complaint.
The Jones transfer has become one of the most messy deals of this summer as Blackburn contest the validity of get-out clauses in players' contracts.
It will also mean that the football authorities will need to look closely at the strength of get-out clauses and how confidential they can remain, or whether they have outlasted their usefulness, if they can produce disputes such as that has mushroomed between United and Blackburn.
ESPNsoccernet broke the story on Thursday that the Jones move to Manchester United was halted over over a dispute about the players' valuation.
Yet, for 24 hours the media continued to report that the deal was going through without any hitch as both clubs kept the dispute firmly under wraps. The player has already passed his medical and agreed personal terms with United, which normally happens after the clubs have agreed a fee. Premier League rules state that a player can only talk to a club and go through with the transfer procedures once a fee is agreed.
Manchester United would argue the fee was already set, but Blackburn are vehemently contesting that interpretation's validity.
So now this guy has insider knowledge at man utd as well as us.
Be quiet son.
Be quiet son.
Or he reads espn...
It's times like this I'd like to be able to hibernate until 1st September.
hahahahaha.
Kenny put a bid in this evening for Jones.
Purely trying to either hijack the deal or piss Fergie off. Either way it's quality.
Kenny put a bid in this evening for Jones.
Purely trying to either hijack the deal or piss Fergie off. Either way it's quality.
To them or us?
Why've I come back to this? I'm just gonna get wound up 🙁
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To them or us?
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To them of course.
MOgdenTelegraph Mark Ogden
There have been more hitches and surprises in Phil Jones / #mufc move today, but deal should go through, finally, tmrw.
Paul Smith of the Sunday Mirror on Twitter.
Manchester United complete the transfer of Phil Jones from Blackburn despite clams Blackburn were considering holding the deal up.
I received a text from Jones agent 30 minutes ago to say the deal was completed.
To them or us?
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To them of course.
MOgdenTelegraph Mark Ogden
There have been more hitches and surprises in Phil Jones / #mufc move today, but deal should go through, finally, tmrw.
Paul Smith of the Sunday Mirror on Twitter.
Manchester United complete the transfer of Phil Jones from Blackburn despite clams Blackburn were considering holding the deal up.
I received a text from Jones agent 30 minutes ago to say the deal was completed.
We were the 'hitch'. The fact we even tried must've pissed old claret nose right off.
Blackburn reckon that the clause starts a bidding war, Manure reckon that the clause once met means game over.
If they both stick to their guns then the transfer can't go through until they get in front of a judge... Or Manure pay what we're offering...
I'd say our bid is designed to piss Baconface off and no more.
If they both stick to their guns then the transfer can't go through until they get in front of a judge... Or Manure pay what we're offering...
I'd say our bid is designed to piss Baconface off and no more.
I did wonder why the Jones deal wasn't officially confirmed shortly after he agreed personal terms with the filth and underwent a medical.
Usually a fee between the two Clubs is agreed, then the player has talks and a medical. Not the other way about.
As i say, he'll probably still end up at Man U, but it's a funny situation.
Usually a fee between the two Clubs is agreed, then the player has talks and a medical. Not the other way about.
As i say, he'll probably still end up at Man U, but it's a funny situation.
This is fascinating.
Wasn't there one poster on here the other day, when everyone was accepting Jones had gone to the scum, who told us all that wasn't the case and to just wait and see?
Wasn't there one poster on here the other day, when everyone was accepting Jones had gone to the scum, who told us all that wasn't the case and to just wait and see?
Ferguson will retaliate by signing Downing from under our noses, which is exactly what our ubercunning management team want to happen.
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Ferguson will retaliate by signing Downing from under our noses, which is exactly what our ubercunning management team want to happen.
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Ah, the old double, double, double bluff. Fergie'll be too pissed to see that one coming.
Ferguson will retaliate by signing Downing from under our noses, which is exactly what our ubercunning management team want to happen.
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Ah, the old double, double, double bluff. Fergie'll be too pissed to see that one coming.
I'm not sure I'd really want him now after he already chose United. But if we make United pay more for him than they probably should then this is the sort of shit I'm down with.
Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
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I'm not sure I'd really want him now after he already chose United. But if we make United pay more for him than they probably should then this is the sort of shit I'm down with.
Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
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Reminds me of Fergie allegedly coming in for Adam in the Jan window..
I'm not sure I'd really want him now after he already chose United. But if we make United pay more for him than they probably should then this is the sort of shit I'm down with.
Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
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Reminds me of Fergie allegedly coming in for Adam in the Jan window..
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45600.msg1347667#msg1347667 date=1307838223]
I'm not sure I'd really want him now after he already chose United. But if we make United pay more for him than they probably should then this is the sort of shit I'm down with.
Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
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Reminds me of Fergie allegedly coming in for Adam in the Jan window..
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Yeah I was thinking of that too, it would be a nice little bit of revenge.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45600.msg1347667#msg1347667 date=1307838223]
I'm not sure I'd really want him now after he already chose United. But if we make United pay more for him than they probably should then this is the sort of shit I'm down with.
Jones might want to look at sacking whatever agent/lawyer was involved on his side of the contract if Blackburn are correct in their interpretation of his contract.
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Reminds me of Fergie allegedly coming in for Adam in the Jan window..
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Yeah I was thinking of that too, it would be a nice little bit of revenge.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=45600.msg1347659#msg1347659 date=1307834834]
This is fascinating.
Wasn't there one poster on here the other day, when everyone was accepting Jones had gone to the scum, who told us all that wasn't the case and to just wait and see?
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There was.
This is fascinating.
Wasn't there one poster on here the other day, when everyone was accepting Jones had gone to the scum, who told us all that wasn't the case and to just wait and see?
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There was.
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=45600.msg1347659#msg1347659 date=1307834834]
This is fascinating.
Wasn't there one poster on here the other day, when everyone was accepting Jones had gone to the scum, who told us all that wasn't the case and to just wait and see?
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There was.
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Is it not simply fact that Man Utd pipped us to both Jones and Young?
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I don't think so. Young, yes. Jones... I don't think they've signed him, and I don't think he'll end up there.
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Ha. Nice one Mamma Mia. Hope the 2nd part's right too. 😛
Trust Blackburn's owners to teach Man Utd a lesson on not counting your chickens before they hatch. Afterall, they're an Indian poultry giant! :laugh:
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=45600.msg1347659#msg1347659 date=1307834834]
This is fascinating.
Wasn't there one poster on here the other day, when everyone was accepting Jones had gone to the scum, who told us all that wasn't the case and to just wait and see?
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There was.
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[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=45600.msg1346425#msg1346425 date=1307631175]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45600.msg1346334#msg1346334 date=1307621962]
Is it not simply fact that Man Utd pipped us to both Jones and Young?
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I don't think so. Young, yes. Jones... I don't think they've signed him, and I don't think he'll end up there.
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Ha. Nice one Mamma Mia. Hope the 2nd part's right too. 😛
Trust Blackburn's owners to teach Man Utd a lesson on not counting your chickens before they hatch. Afterall, they're an Indian poultry giant! :laugh:
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