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Poll [Poll] Firmino - Holgate incident update
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No one thinks it's fair they didn't investigate the foul. The statement they released is about the racism allegation, so everything about the foul I WOULD IMAGINE wouldn't be brought in to any decisions or even in their mind in the statement.
I know that mate, it just makes the statement all the more irritating. In the grander scheme of things, who was the actual victim in the series of events? Regardless of the concluding statement and the push being a separate issue, it just makes their insinuation all the more laughable, given what actually provoked the verbal reaction in their first place.
All this bollocks and weeks of investigation for that, only for an actual incident that is evidenced, to be completely overlooked. Kick racism out, but don't worry about violent conduct eh.
Problem is, violent conduct isn't seen as a massive problem because it's still a contact sport (supposedly).
Neither has a place in the sport, but one can kinda happen in the natural scheme of the game.
BREAKING: UEFA drop charges against Spartak Moscow’s Leonid Mironov over allegations of racist abuse towards Liverpool’s Rhian Brewster due to lack of evidence.
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It's pretty obvious Holgate was a lying cunt and Brewster was racially abused. Sucks for him, and he can do one of his whining interviews about it, but it will deserve no sympathy because this is what constitutes justice in the virtue signalling kick it out make believe fake news world. They're toothless, Mironov gained an advantage for his team, so good luck to him whether he's racist or not it no longer matters in football. Holgate did the exact same thing after all.
[bcolor=transparent]Uefa’s investigation into Liverpool youngster Rhian Brewster’s racism allegations against a [bcolor=transparent]Spartak Moscow[/bcolor] player has failed to find any evidence to corroborate the claim. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]European football’s control, ethics and disciplinary body acknowledged the allegation was made in good faith by the 17-year-old but, after a number of extensive interviews of players and match officials, it came down to Brewster’s word against Spartak captain Leonid Mironov.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]Mironov admitted swearing at the England Under-17 World Cup winner during the Russian club’s 2-0 defeat in the [bcolor=transparent]Uefa[/bcolor] Youth League match at Prenton Park in December but denied using racist language.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]Five players from each side plus the match officials were questioned about the incident but none could confirm hearing any discriminatory language. “Following the opening of proceedings, Uefa appointed an ethics and disciplinary inspector to conduct a thorough independent investigation and gather potential evidence relating to the case,” a statement from Uefa read. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“Such an appointment is standard practice, given that allegations of racist behaviour are taken very seriously by Uefa and its disciplinary bodies in accordance with our zero-tolerance policy towards any kind of discrimination.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“The inspector took statements from five players from both teams, as well as from two match officials, who were in the vicinity of the alleged incident. None of these heard any discriminatory words. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“Leonid Mironov was also interviewed by the inspector and stated that he indeed swore at Rhian Brewster, but he unreservedly denied using any discriminatory language.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“After concluding his investigation, the inspector found no evidence to corroborate the allegations, which he believed were made in complete good faith by the [bcolor=transparent]Liverpool[/bcolor] player Rhian Brewster. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“Therefore, the Uefa control, ethics and disciplinary body, following the recommendation of the inspector, established that there was no evidence that would legally support sanctioning the Spartak Moskva youth player Leonid Mironov and thus decided to close the disciplinary proceedings.”[/bcolor]
[/article][bcolor=transparent]European football’s control, ethics and disciplinary body acknowledged the allegation was made in good faith by the 17-year-old but, after a number of extensive interviews of players and match officials, it came down to Brewster’s word against Spartak captain Leonid Mironov.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]Mironov admitted swearing at the England Under-17 World Cup winner during the Russian club’s 2-0 defeat in the [bcolor=transparent]Uefa[/bcolor] Youth League match at Prenton Park in December but denied using racist language.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]Five players from each side plus the match officials were questioned about the incident but none could confirm hearing any discriminatory language. “Following the opening of proceedings, Uefa appointed an ethics and disciplinary inspector to conduct a thorough independent investigation and gather potential evidence relating to the case,” a statement from Uefa read. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“Such an appointment is standard practice, given that allegations of racist behaviour are taken very seriously by Uefa and its disciplinary bodies in accordance with our zero-tolerance policy towards any kind of discrimination.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“The inspector took statements from five players from both teams, as well as from two match officials, who were in the vicinity of the alleged incident. None of these heard any discriminatory words. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“Leonid Mironov was also interviewed by the inspector and stated that he indeed swore at Rhian Brewster, but he unreservedly denied using any discriminatory language.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“After concluding his investigation, the inspector found no evidence to corroborate the allegations, which he believed were made in complete good faith by the [bcolor=transparent]Liverpool[/bcolor] player Rhian Brewster. [/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]“Therefore, the Uefa control, ethics and disciplinary body, following the recommendation of the inspector, established that there was no evidence that would legally support sanctioning the Spartak Moskva youth player Leonid Mironov and thus decided to close the disciplinary proceedings.”[/bcolor]
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[bcolor=transparent]Having considered all of the available evidence, we consider it is not sufficient to raise a charge against Firmino.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]However, we are completely satisfied that the allegation was made in absolute good faith by Holgate and that there is no suggestion of this being an intentionally false or malicious allegation.[/bcolor]
[/article][bcolor=transparent]However, we are completely satisfied that the allegation was made in absolute good faith by Holgate and that there is no suggestion of this being an intentionally false or malicious allegation.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=transparent]The first one is worded fairly to both parties, explaining that there is one person's word against the other.[/bcolor]
The second one is worded by a fucking cunt who wants to insinuate that there is evidence, that they absolutely believed one party, that they just fell short of being able to take it further, and completely ignoring that there are numerous witness and detailed video footage which clearly exonerates Firmino but they remained silent on that to make it seem like the opposite.It's pretty obvious Holgate was a lying cunt and Brewster was racially abused. Sucks for him, and he can do one of his whining interviews about it, but it will deserve no sympathy because this is what constitutes justice in the virtue signalling kick it out make believe fake news world. They're toothless, Mironov gained an advantage for his team, so good luck to him whether he's racist or not it no longer matters in football. Holgate did the exact same thing after all.
I already know what you'd tell me, because of your admirable faith in people. The fact is the people had one extremely easy job - just don't tolerate racism in football. That's all, it requires zero thought, zero money, zero education, zero campaigning, nothing, just don't tolerate it and job done. But the people, they do tolerate racism or at best don't actually give a shit that a human being has been racially abused or discriminated against, the only thing they give a shit about is the money they make from fighting the good fight, and the favourable headlines that will be reported by the fake news. In their contorted thinking and abuse of logic to drive home that agenda, they've (in addition to fucking us over on multiple occasions) ended up petrified of being seen to suggest that a player used the race card to gain an unfair advantage. So as far as we should be concerned, if another player uses racist abuse to the same end of gaining an unfair advantage, why should we give shit? It's all fake, so have at it.
There's no evidence for either case. That's what the panels have said. Brewster got the same defence that holgate did from the powers that be, just a different power.
Ones a liar, ones not.
I just don't get how 2 statements that are nearly identical, can garner 2 completely different reactions
Ones a liar, ones not.
I just don't get how 2 statements that are nearly identical, can garner 2 completely different reactions
Yeah, those statements are practically identical.
They not nearly identical. UEFA said they failed to find any evidence to corroborate the claim, and then set out what witnesses they spoke to and what the case boiled down to. That's fair (aside form the fact any competent body would have been able to find evidence if it really tried). The FA said they considered the available evidence, and deemed it not sufficient. That's cuntish because there is no evidence other than irrefutable proof that the words were never said. Very different statements.
So why is Brewster not a liar
If anything uefa have explained why is he a liar by naming who they interviewed.
Because he had no reason to make it up, and the whining interview he did recently went into the sort of detail and emotional content that indicates he's telling the truth. UEFA have explained nobody heard it, so it was one person's words against the other. Holgate for reasons throughout this thread was obviously lying for the reason of getting himself out of trouble.
If Holgate gave a whining interview, he'd have an impossible task of explaining how he genuinely misheard such a specific word, what's he going to say? Will he stand by it and look like a cunt? Will he admit it was never said, then look like a cunt for accusing him? Ergo why he's said nothing since.
Disappointed you didn't leave it at 'k'
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Liverpool have accepted Uefa's decision and praised the "courage" of Brewster, who helped England lift the Under-17 World Cup in October.
The club added it was "very proud of the maturity, dignity and leadership Rhian has displayed in bringing focus to this issue and he will continue to receive our full support".
However the Football Association echoed Kick It Out's disappointment. "All forms of discrimination are completely unacceptable and any allegation must be fully investigated," it said.
"While we are disappointed with today's decision, we will continue to work with Uefa on how to best tackle incidents of discrimination in the future."
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Lol the FA have never failed to amaze me.
Liverpool have accepted Uefa's decision and praised the "courage" of Brewster, who helped England lift the Under-17 World Cup in October.
The club added it was "very proud of the maturity, dignity and leadership Rhian has displayed in bringing focus to this issue and he will continue to receive our full support".
However the Football Association echoed Kick It Out's disappointment. "All forms of discrimination are completely unacceptable and any allegation must be fully investigated," it said.
"While we are disappointed with today's decision, we will continue to work with Uefa on how to best tackle incidents of discrimination in the future."
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Lol the FA have never failed to amaze me.
Like when they extended that courtesy to the ladies team? Poor the Aluko.
They buried that because they were at fault
They weren't at fault for holgate
Sweet. Christ. I thought nuance might be grasped
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I think we're close to an agreement. The very fact they buried it is clear proof that their priority is themselves and not racism. It always has been. So you have no basis for your faith in them over Holgate.
....THEY ARE GOING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES OVER ALUKO
THEY HAVE NO NEED TO OVER HOLGATE
You've brought in the aluko case when it has zero baring on anything. There isn't some overarching racist conspiracy at the FA that impacts on their ability to judge on cases of racism in the league.
You know that heads up display in Robocop when it lists his directives. My point is the FA display would list the following, and with Holgate they stopped at number 2.
- Do we need to cover this up?
- Is there a way to fuck Liverpool over?
- Will we stand to lose anything depending upon how we act?
- Can we gain from this by pandering to the media or some bullshit social cause?
- Can we get away with saying we investigated without actually having to lift a finger?
- If not, then this is a dark day indeed where we have no choice but to do some work.
You're right of course to say there's no evidence in either case, but that's NOT what both panels said. The FA panel said "insufficient", which indicates there was some evidence and therefore leaves a question-mark against Firmino. UEFA on the other hand said "no evidence", which clears the Russian player completely.
There was evidence
Holgates testimony
Regardless of your opinion of it, it's fucking evidence
The other one said there's no evidence to corroborate that allegation. That removes the need to state that Brewster's statement is evidence
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