... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
There I said it. So what?
Rafa was...
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was he better than the Kenny who won shit loads managing us first time and the league with Blackburn ?
Or just the kenny we seeing right now ?
If we talking the kenny we have had for a yr then i still think kenny is a better manager in terms of motivation , player management , understanding the fans ...lots of that side of things . He's also generally trying to play a better style of football without limiting players to specific roles . Kenny's biggest mistake has been his transfer dealings , Rafa fucked loads of deals up but in general i'd say when he spent big he did ok ...only Aqualini springs to mind as a big money rafa flop . kenny has been the reverse , his better signings were the cheaper ones .
Don't get me wrong ,lots of kenny's management is pissing me off but again that mainly centres around the shite players he bought . Rafa drove me mad for millions of other reasons .
Or just the kenny we seeing right now ?
If we talking the kenny we have had for a yr then i still think kenny is a better manager in terms of motivation , player management , understanding the fans ...lots of that side of things . He's also generally trying to play a better style of football without limiting players to specific roles . Kenny's biggest mistake has been his transfer dealings , Rafa fucked loads of deals up but in general i'd say when he spent big he did ok ...only Aqualini springs to mind as a big money rafa flop . kenny has been the reverse , his better signings were the cheaper ones .
Don't get me wrong ,lots of kenny's management is pissing me off but again that mainly centres around the shite players he bought . Rafa drove me mad for millions of other reasons .
Yeah, I agree, but it's not that surprising, he had been out of the game for what, 13 years? I don't know enough to judge about his first tenure, and the game has changed in a thousand different ways since then, so most comparisons would be fairly weak. But current Kenny vs. Rafa? Yeah, I gotta say Rafa was better.
Can we just get a manager that can beat Stoke? That has to be part of the interview or checklist.
1 - manager that can beat Stoke
If we interview Pepe Guardiola or someone of equal stature:
"So Pep... astonishing trophy haul you got here, but have you beaten Stoke? You haven't... hmm.. do you think you can beat Stoke? What's a stoke? Well..."
Can we just get a manager that can beat Stoke? That has to be part of the interview or checklist.
1 - manager that can beat Stoke
If we interview Pepe Guardiola or someone of equal stature:
"So Pep... astonishing trophy haul you got here, but have you beaten Stoke? You haven't... hmm.. do you think you can beat Stoke? What's a stoke? Well..."
Rafa signed plenty of crap and played defensively. He always blabbered on about needing to spend like the big teams then going and wasting the money he was given.
He signed youth after youth like they were going out of fashion.
He made defensive substitutions when we needed to be searching for the win.
We've had countless draws with teams we should have been beating but what was worse is we played a much more boring style then what we are under Kenny.
Kenny's problem has been his signings.
He's better then Rafa.
He signed youth after youth like they were going out of fashion.
He made defensive substitutions when we needed to be searching for the win.
We've had countless draws with teams we should have been beating but what was worse is we played a much more boring style then what we are under Kenny.
Kenny's problem has been his signings.
He's better then Rafa.
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I think you guys are judging Kenny against the Rafa a few yrs into his tenure . Don't forget how woeful we were his first season in everything bar that magical champions league . And how crap we were in his last season , Kenny can easily hold his own against that rafa .
So is it fair to judge kenny just 1 yr in and a half season into his first full season ? I guess the answer is yes and no cause sometimes you have to judge when the writing is on the wall like we did with Hodgson.
What's for sure is we need some success soon to calm us all down . With all the shite of the previous seasons and no success for a fair few yrs now , we've all become very impatient . Gone are the days when you hear liverpool fans banging on about a manager getting 5 years to win the league because that's what fergie got (although i always thought that was a ridiculous stance to take ) . We're 'turning' on players and the manager alot quicker than we did before , myself included but to be honest i am just tired of the same old mistakes being made season after season no matter what we do or change .
So is it fair to judge kenny just 1 yr in and a half season into his first full season ? I guess the answer is yes and no cause sometimes you have to judge when the writing is on the wall like we did with Hodgson.
What's for sure is we need some success soon to calm us all down . With all the shite of the previous seasons and no success for a fair few yrs now , we've all become very impatient . Gone are the days when you hear liverpool fans banging on about a manager getting 5 years to win the league because that's what fergie got (although i always thought that was a ridiculous stance to take ) . We're 'turning' on players and the manager alot quicker than we did before , myself included but to be honest i am just tired of the same old mistakes being made season after season no matter what we do or change .
Rafa built a very good team over the course of a few years, making the normal mistakes along the way. He raised expectations at the club massively, and as poor as we were at the end under him, it was in the context of a pervasive general malaise which couldn't help but affect the club at every level. I can't believe how close to the brink we got under Hodgson, and it really ruined football for me in some ways.
In the end Rafa didn't get support, and simultaneously decided to tamper with a team that was closer to winning a title than a liverpool team has been in ages. Fans turned on him the same way they did Houllier. I didn't like that either, because I thought both men loved the club.
Kenny is rightly afforded far more loyalty than either of those managers, so at the very least lets see what his team looks like once it is realized. Right now, like Rafa at first, whatever limited success he is experiencing is almost entirely based on a defensive solidity left by a previous manager. Kenny's liverpool looked much better when Hodgson's bejowled face was still floating around and haunting my dreams.
Kenny's purchases have been largely disastrous in a way that would put he and Comolli under severe pressure, and were it not for Kenny's untouchable status he'd be under more scrutiny by supporters. He rightly isn't, but given that ownership have identified this as an issue in coming into the club, they should be seeking explanations as to how these expensive over valuations were allowed to happen.
Football isn't as statistical a sport by any measure compared to baseball, but with only a bit of knowledge you could rightly wonder why we are surprised to have so few goals, when our team individually has so many players in it that haven't scored goals anywhere, ever, with any frequency, and then wonder why that most precious of all statistics came at such an unbelievable cost.
In the end Rafa didn't get support, and simultaneously decided to tamper with a team that was closer to winning a title than a liverpool team has been in ages. Fans turned on him the same way they did Houllier. I didn't like that either, because I thought both men loved the club.
Kenny is rightly afforded far more loyalty than either of those managers, so at the very least lets see what his team looks like once it is realized. Right now, like Rafa at first, whatever limited success he is experiencing is almost entirely based on a defensive solidity left by a previous manager. Kenny's liverpool looked much better when Hodgson's bejowled face was still floating around and haunting my dreams.
Kenny's purchases have been largely disastrous in a way that would put he and Comolli under severe pressure, and were it not for Kenny's untouchable status he'd be under more scrutiny by supporters. He rightly isn't, but given that ownership have identified this as an issue in coming into the club, they should be seeking explanations as to how these expensive over valuations were allowed to happen.
Football isn't as statistical a sport by any measure compared to baseball, but with only a bit of knowledge you could rightly wonder why we are surprised to have so few goals, when our team individually has so many players in it that haven't scored goals anywhere, ever, with any frequency, and then wonder why that most precious of all statistics came at such an unbelievable cost.
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... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
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to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48307.msg1464597#msg1464597 date=1326625988]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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no but gh left him a better squad than the one left for kenny.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48307.msg1464597#msg1464597 date=1326625988]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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no but gh left him a better squad than the one left for kenny.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48307.msg1464609#msg1464609 date=1326626895]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48307.msg1464597#msg1464597 date=1326625988]
[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[/quote]
Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=48307.msg1464544#msg1464544 date=1326602661]
Can we just get a manager that can beat Stoke? That has to be part of the interview or checklist.
1 - manager that can beat Stoke
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I believe Kenny's team did just that recently.
This thread is a major, major embarrasment
Can we just get a manager that can beat Stoke? That has to be part of the interview or checklist.
1 - manager that can beat Stoke
[/quote]
I believe Kenny's team did just that recently.
This thread is a major, major embarrasment
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[/quote]
Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
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to be fair to rafa's league record he acheived CL football every season he was here bar the he was sacked.
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[/quote]
Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
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to be fair to rafa's league record he acheived CL football every season he was here bar the he was sacked.
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[/quote]
Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
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to be fair to rafa's league record he acheived CL football every season he was here bar the he was sacked.
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You could argue that Rafa was only really competing with three teams though (and usually at least one of those was at a similar standard to us). We're dealing with the usual big three and City & Spurs.
The fact that we didn't put ourselves far enough ahead of the chasing pack is why we're in this predicament now, trying to get back in there. Though blowing £70m on Carroll, Downing and Henderson hasn't helped either.
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[/quote]
Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
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to be fair to rafa's league record he acheived CL football every season he was here bar the he was sacked.
[/quote]
You could argue that Rafa was only really competing with three teams though (and usually at least one of those was at a similar standard to us). We're dealing with the usual big three and City & Spurs.
The fact that we didn't put ourselves far enough ahead of the chasing pack is why we're in this predicament now, trying to get back in there. Though blowing £70m on Carroll, Downing and Henderson hasn't helped either.
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[/quote]
Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
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to be fair to rafa's league record he acheived CL football every season he was here bar the he was sacked.
[/quote]
You could argue that Rafa was only really competing with three teams though (and usually at least one of those was at a similar standard to us). We're dealing with the usual big three and City & Spurs.
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we can't blame anyone for our league position but ourselves given the amount of points we've dropped at home to lower teams. city, manu and spurs have nothing to do with our draws to swansea, s'land, norwich etc.
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[quote author=Dirty Sanchez link=topic=48307.msg1464534#msg1464534 date=1326599025]
... A better manager than Kenny.
There I said it. So what?
[/quote]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
[/quote]
Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
[/quote]
Rafa spent £80m over two Summers on Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, that shit Brazilian keeper and a shed load of foreign kids. He spent enough, so has Kenny, but to pretend Rafa didn't have reasonable resources is bollocks. He also had nearly 6 years to do it in, his domestic form over his tenure was largely poor given the money he spent and the players he had.
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to be fair to rafa's league record he acheived CL football every season he was here bar the he was sacked.
[/quote]
You could argue that Rafa was only really competing with three teams though (and usually at least one of those was at a similar standard to us). We're dealing with the usual big three and City & Spurs.
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we can't blame anyone for our league position but ourselves given the amount of points we've dropped at home to lower teams. city, manu and spurs have nothing to do with our draws to swansea, s'land, norwich etc.
Kenny was a tinkerer long before Rafa, and with great success, even though fans were sometimes bemused when the team and formation was evident. But his teams played with wonderful flair, drive and imagination. Rafa is a great manager - his first season was like watching an orchestra conductor command a performance - but he is desperately conservative, a very poor man manager and at times he gives the impression he'd rather football was played on paper than on the pitch. He's like a character in a Jorge Luis Borges short story who eventually disappears deep into the labyrinth of his own creation. I have great faith in Kenny - with help from Steve 'only mentioned when we win' Clarke - eventually shaping a stylish football team that can really compete for trophies. Even this season there have been enough matches where our actual play has been easily good enough to win him a damned sight more respect and patience than he's getting from some.
I ignore all the negativity myself, I honestly don't know if these people are wind up merchants, or just kids brought up on football manager or whatever the fuck its called and think its dead easy to sort a team because they can do it on the computer game.
I'm convinced a lot of posters on this forum support other teams and just post here to wind us up
I'm convinced a lot of posters on this forum support other teams and just post here to wind us up
I agree with plenty of the complaints about yesterday. It was too exasperating just to brush aside. But I just see plenty of things that encourage me to keep the faith. Our youth set up and squad, and our young reserves, excite me more than I think any previous ones have done. We've bought some great prospects for the next few years. The problem, I think, is the failure to be flexible when it comes to Henry and Co's focus on long-term building. We urgently need to be pragmatic and deal with this season's needs. Maybe we're doing so behind the scenes - how can we knw one way or the other until the transfer window is over. But Kenny himself has never been averse to short term fixes - maybe I'm in the minority but I thought getting David Speedie was a clever move at the time - and I cannot believe Kenny stands there and thinks his attackers are satisfactory. Behind the scenes I'm sure he's apoplectic. And I certainly agree we need to bring in someone soon.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48307.msg1464615#msg1464615 date=1326627255]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
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Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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no but gh left him a better squad than the one left for kenny.
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Fucking bollocks.
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
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Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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no but gh left him a better squad than the one left for kenny.
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Fucking bollocks.
http://www.lfchistory.net/SeasonArchive/SquadPicture/46 Rafa's from Houllier
http://www.lfchistory.net/SeasonArchive/SquadPicture/120 Kennys from HodgePodge
Someone expand the photos? I don't know how too
http://www.lfchistory.net/SeasonArchive/SquadPicture/120 Kennys from HodgePodge
Someone expand the photos? I don't know how too
Rafa got left:
Back row: John Welsh, Jon Otsemobor, Gregory Vignal, Stephane Henchoz, Patrice Luzi, Chris Kirkland, Jerzy Dudek, Igor Biscan, Markus Babbel, Djimi Traore, Zak Whitbread.
2nd row: Mark Waller (Doctor), Graham Carter (Kit manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Carl Medjani, Richie Partridge, Anthony Le Tallec, Michael Foley-Sheridan, Florent Sinama-Pongolle, Mark Browes (Physiotherapist), John Wright (Kit man), Stuart Welsh (Masseur).
3rd row: Joe Corrigan (Goalkeeping coach), Dave Galley (Physiotherapist), Ian Rush (Striker coach), Hughie McCauley (Reserve team coach), Bruno Cheyrou, Salif Diao, Harry Kewell, Milan Baros, Steve Finnan, El Hadji Diouf, Sammy Lee (First team coach), Christian Damiano (1st team trainer), Alex Miller (Chief scout).
Front row: Vladimir Smicer, Danny Muprhy, Emile Heskey, Steven Gerrard, Phil Thompson (Assistant manager), Gerard Houllier, David Moores (Chairman), Sami Hyypia, Michael Owen, Jamie Carragher, John Arne Riise.
Kenny got left:
Back Row: Graham Carter (Kit Manager), Chris Morgan (Physiotherapist), Darren Burgess (Head, Fitness and Conditioning), John Achterberg (Goalkeeping Coach), David Ngog, Martin Kelly, Martin Hansen, Brad Jones, Jose Reina, Peter Gulacsi, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Danny Wilson, Rob Price (Senior Physiotherapist), Phil Coles (Head of Physical Services), Jordan Milsom (Rehab Fitness Coach), Lee Radcliffe (Kit Man).
Middle Row: Ivan Ortega (Physiotherapist), Zaf Iqbal (First Team Doctor), Peter Brukner (Head of Sports Medicine and Sports Science), Mike Kelly (First Team Coach), Jonjo Shelvey, Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulsen, Milan Jovanovic, Maxi Rodriguez, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston, Jay Spearing, Sammy Lee (Assistant Manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Alan McCall (Sports Scientist), Andrew Nealon (Senior Physiotherapist).
Front Row: Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson, Fabio Aurelio, Dirk Kuyt, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard (Captain), Roy Hodgson (Team Manager), Jamie Carragher, Fernando Torres, Ryan Babel, Daniel Agger, Lucas Leiva, Raul Meireles.
Back row: John Welsh, Jon Otsemobor, Gregory Vignal, Stephane Henchoz, Patrice Luzi, Chris Kirkland, Jerzy Dudek, Igor Biscan, Markus Babbel, Djimi Traore, Zak Whitbread.
2nd row: Mark Waller (Doctor), Graham Carter (Kit manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Carl Medjani, Richie Partridge, Anthony Le Tallec, Michael Foley-Sheridan, Florent Sinama-Pongolle, Mark Browes (Physiotherapist), John Wright (Kit man), Stuart Welsh (Masseur).
3rd row: Joe Corrigan (Goalkeeping coach), Dave Galley (Physiotherapist), Ian Rush (Striker coach), Hughie McCauley (Reserve team coach), Bruno Cheyrou, Salif Diao, Harry Kewell, Milan Baros, Steve Finnan, El Hadji Diouf, Sammy Lee (First team coach), Christian Damiano (1st team trainer), Alex Miller (Chief scout).
Front row: Vladimir Smicer, Danny Muprhy, Emile Heskey, Steven Gerrard, Phil Thompson (Assistant manager), Gerard Houllier, David Moores (Chairman), Sami Hyypia, Michael Owen, Jamie Carragher, John Arne Riise.
Kenny got left:
Back Row: Graham Carter (Kit Manager), Chris Morgan (Physiotherapist), Darren Burgess (Head, Fitness and Conditioning), John Achterberg (Goalkeeping Coach), David Ngog, Martin Kelly, Martin Hansen, Brad Jones, Jose Reina, Peter Gulacsi, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Danny Wilson, Rob Price (Senior Physiotherapist), Phil Coles (Head of Physical Services), Jordan Milsom (Rehab Fitness Coach), Lee Radcliffe (Kit Man).
Middle Row: Ivan Ortega (Physiotherapist), Zaf Iqbal (First Team Doctor), Peter Brukner (Head of Sports Medicine and Sports Science), Mike Kelly (First Team Coach), Jonjo Shelvey, Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulsen, Milan Jovanovic, Maxi Rodriguez, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston, Jay Spearing, Sammy Lee (Assistant Manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Alan McCall (Sports Scientist), Andrew Nealon (Senior Physiotherapist).
Front Row: Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson, Fabio Aurelio, Dirk Kuyt, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard (Captain), Roy Hodgson (Team Manager), Jamie Carragher, Fernando Torres, Ryan Babel, Daniel Agger, Lucas Leiva, Raul Meireles.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48307.msg1464615#msg1464615 date=1326627255]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
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Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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no but gh left him a better squad than the one left for kenny.
Fucking bollocks.
rafa inherited
carra
gerrard
riise
sami
hamman
baros
cisse
kenny inherited
carra
gerrard
johnson
agger
skrtel
lucas
pepe
kuyt
dudek
meireles
okay, I conceed the point.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48307.msg1464615#msg1464615 date=1326627255]
to be fair rafa came 5th in his first season...and we're still on course for that.
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Did Rafa have £100 million to spend?
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no but gh left him a better squad than the one left for kenny.
Fucking bollocks.
rafa inherited
carra
gerrard
riise
sami
hamman
baros
cisse
kenny inherited
carra
gerrard
johnson
agger
skrtel
lucas
pepe
kuyt
dudek
meireles
okay, I conceed the point.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=48307.msg1464666#msg1464666 date=1326630608]
Rafa got left:
Back row: John Welsh, Jon Otsemobor, Gregory Vignal, Stephane Henchoz, Patrice Luzi, Chris Kirkland, Jerzy Dudek, Igor Biscan, Markus Babbel, Djimi Traore, Zak Whitbread.
2nd row: Mark Waller (Doctor), Graham Carter (Kit manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Carl Medjani, Richie Partridge, Anthony Le Tallec, Michael Foley-Sheridan, Florent Sinama-Pongolle, Mark Browes (Physiotherapist), John Wright (Kit man), Stuart Welsh (Masseur).
3rd row: Joe Corrigan (Goalkeeping coach), Dave Galley (Physiotherapist), Ian Rush (Striker coach), Hughie McCauley (Reserve team coach), Bruno Cheyrou, Salif Diao, Harry Kewell, Milan Baros, Steve Finnan, El Hadji Diouf, Sammy Lee (First team coach), Christian Damiano (1st team trainer), Alex Miller (Chief scout).
Front row: Vladimir Smicer, Danny Muprhy, Emile Heskey, Steven Gerrard, Phil Thompson (Assistant manager), Gerard Houllier, David Moores (Chairman), Sami Hyypia, Michael Owen, Jamie Carragher, John Arne Riise.
Kenny got left:
Back Row: Graham Carter (Kit Manager), Chris Morgan (Physiotherapist), Darren Burgess (Head, Fitness and Conditioning), John Achterberg (Goalkeeping Coach), David Ngog, Martin Kelly, Martin Hansen, Brad Jones, Jose Reina, Peter Gulacsi, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Danny Wilson, Rob Price (Senior Physiotherapist), Phil Coles (Head of Physical Services), Jordan Milsom (Rehab Fitness Coach), Lee Radcliffe (Kit Man).
Middle Row: Ivan Ortega (Physiotherapist), Zaf Iqbal (First Team Doctor), Peter Brukner (Head of Sports Medicine and Sports Science), Mike Kelly (First Team Coach), Jonjo Shelvey, Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulsen, Milan Jovanovic, Maxi Rodriguez, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston, Jay Spearing, Sammy Lee (Assistant Manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Alan McCall (Sports Scientist), Andrew Nealon (Senior Physiotherapist).
Front Row: Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson, Fabio Aurelio, Dirk Kuyt, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard (Captain), Roy Hodgson (Team Manager), Jamie Carragher, Fernando Torres, Ryan Babel, Daniel Agger, Lucas Leiva, Raul Meireles.
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Rafa got left:
Back row: John Welsh, Jon Otsemobor, Gregory Vignal, Stephane Henchoz, Patrice Luzi, Chris Kirkland, Jerzy Dudek, Igor Biscan, Markus Babbel, Djimi Traore, Zak Whitbread.
2nd row: Mark Waller (Doctor), Graham Carter (Kit manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Carl Medjani, Richie Partridge, Anthony Le Tallec, Michael Foley-Sheridan, Florent Sinama-Pongolle, Mark Browes (Physiotherapist), John Wright (Kit man), Stuart Welsh (Masseur).
3rd row: Joe Corrigan (Goalkeeping coach), Dave Galley (Physiotherapist), Ian Rush (Striker coach), Hughie McCauley (Reserve team coach), Bruno Cheyrou, Salif Diao, Harry Kewell, Milan Baros, Steve Finnan, El Hadji Diouf, Sammy Lee (First team coach), Christian Damiano (1st team trainer), Alex Miller (Chief scout).
Front row: Vladimir Smicer, Danny Muprhy, Emile Heskey, Steven Gerrard, Phil Thompson (Assistant manager), Gerard Houllier, David Moores (Chairman), Sami Hyypia, Michael Owen, Jamie Carragher, John Arne Riise.
Kenny got left:
Back Row: Graham Carter (Kit Manager), Chris Morgan (Physiotherapist), Darren Burgess (Head, Fitness and Conditioning), John Achterberg (Goalkeeping Coach), David Ngog, Martin Kelly, Martin Hansen, Brad Jones, Jose Reina, Peter Gulacsi, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Danny Wilson, Rob Price (Senior Physiotherapist), Phil Coles (Head of Physical Services), Jordan Milsom (Rehab Fitness Coach), Lee Radcliffe (Kit Man).
Middle Row: Ivan Ortega (Physiotherapist), Zaf Iqbal (First Team Doctor), Peter Brukner (Head of Sports Medicine and Sports Science), Mike Kelly (First Team Coach), Jonjo Shelvey, Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulsen, Milan Jovanovic, Maxi Rodriguez, Daniel Pacheco, Nathan Eccleston, Jay Spearing, Sammy Lee (Assistant Manager), Paul Small (Masseur), Alan McCall (Sports Scientist), Andrew Nealon (Senior Physiotherapist).
Front Row: Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson, Fabio Aurelio, Dirk Kuyt, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard (Captain), Roy Hodgson (Team Manager), Jamie Carragher, Fernando Torres, Ryan Babel, Daniel Agger, Lucas Leiva, Raul Meireles.
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Yes bollocks really, Kenny comes up with particularly stupid fucking formations just once a year not every other week.
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