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Stevesquash

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Ok, someone who plays or has played a decent level tell me if wtf is going on.

We have men back to defend the corner, men on the post etc.

The ball swings in... and every fucker legs it leaving 1/2 of our players to compete, usually the CBs and all of their attacking players in and around the 6yd /penalty box.

Ball drops loose and you get the remarkable freeze frame of a blue filled box with virtually no red in sight.

It's like they are trying to play offside before we've cleared the ball.

Is it really that idiotically stupid?

WTF is going on?

To think we originally laughed at that set peice knob at Arsenal.....
 
Short answer: you’re not imagining it, and no, it’s not “trying to play offside”.

But it is a risky, modern set-piece defending idea that looks utterly braindead when the timing or execution is off.

Longer version...


What you’re seeing (the freeze-frame horror show)

You’re describing this exact pattern:

Bodies back: zonal line, men on posts, spare defenders.

Ball gets delivered.

A coordinated step-out happens.

Half the team vacates the 6-yard area.

CBs + maybe one fullback are left contesting.

Clearance isn’t clean.

Second ball drops.

Red shirts gone. Blue shirts everywhere.

Goal conceded. Cue existential crisis.

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That is real. And yes, it looks suicidal.


What the tactic is supposed to be?

This is zonal + clearance compression, not offside.

The idea:

1. First phase

Win or disrupt the first contact (CBs, keeper, near-post defender).



2. Second phase

Everyone else steps out aggressively to:

compress space

attack the second ball

prevent sustained pressure




3. Transition

If you clear beyond the zone, you’re already stepping up to break momentum.




In theory, it:

Stops attackers camping on rebounds

Forces headers under pressure

Allows fast counter-pressing


In practice… 😬


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Why it’s blowing up in our faces

1. The timing is off

If one defender steps late, the line collapses. If two go early, you get exactly the freeze-frame you described.

This system requires perfect synchronisation. Wel currently don’t have it.


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2. Clearances aren’t decisive

This tactic only works if:

the first header is clean and

it travels beyond the penalty spot


We're getting:

glancing headers

flick-ons

half-clears


That turns the step-out into a self-inflicted overload against us.


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3. Opposition are gaming it

Teams have clocked this.

They now:

aim deliveries between zones

overload the second ball

delay runs rather than attacking the first header


So when we step out: attackers step in.


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4. Personnel mismatch

This system needs:

dominant aerial CBs

a keeper who commands the 6-yard box

midfielders who read second balls instantly


Right now, we don’t consistently tick all three boxes.


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Why it looks worse than Arsenal (yes, that irony)

Everyone mocked Arsenal’s set-piece coach.

The difference?

Arsenal committed to the structure

Rehearsed it relentlessly

Built personnel around it


We are in a half-way house:

zonal instincts

man-marking reactions

step-out behaviour

but without full cohesion


That’s the danger zone.


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The brutal truth

No, they are not trying to play offside. Yes, it is tactically defensible in theory. But executed like this?

It becomes:

defenders abandoning the kill zone

attackers owning the rebound

chaos masquerading as control


Which is why it feels idiotically stupid, because at the moment, it is being stupidly executed.


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The fix (and it’s not complicated)

One of these has to happen:

1. Commit fully

Drill the timing

Own the second ball



2. Or simplify

Stay compact

Clear and reset

Stop being clever for clever’s sake




Right now we are doing neither, and you’re watching the consequences.
 
To think we originally laughed at that set peice knob at Arsenal.....
To be fair, I don't think anyone really laughed at Arsenal having a set piece coach, per se - don't forget we had a throw in coach for a while under Klopp. What was laughed at was how he (and his Villa counterpart) assumed center stage incessantly and how Arse created a mural for him
 
Yesterday the error was Ali's. No if's or but's. His save from the header ricocheted off him in the opposite direction he was trying to palm it - he misjudged the flight of the ball.

But yes we're still shite at set pieces.



 
Surely seasoned international players don't need a coach to explain to them how to defend a corner?

Feck me I know I'm old school but this is basic stuff.

When did it become voodoo?
 
To be fair, I don't think anyone really laughed at Arsenal having a set piece coach, per se - don't forget we had a throw in coach for a while under Klopp. What was laughed at was how he (and his Villa counterpart) assumed center stage incessantly and how Arse created a mural for him
Agree. I said laugh at him being a knob rather than the concept being shit..
 
Surely seasoned international players don't need a coach to explain to them how to defend a corner?

Feck me I know I'm old school but this is basic stuff.

When did it become voodoo?

You defend set pieces as a team, not as a collection of individuals.

There are many different ways to defend a corner. You can't have each player doing what they think is the right way to defend a set piece.

That's always been the case, it's not a new invention.
 
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