She's dead

[FoxForceFive]

Ive just basically called all of my friends on facebook who like or respect her a cunt. So im fairly certain now having nailed my colours to the mast I'll be a friend or two down in the morning.
Fuck em. It felt good hitting 'post'

I shared it amongst mine. It's fucking brilliant. Needless to say no one is arguing it.

 

[Oncy]

Ahhh Cheers Jon.

I just dont think its right that people can suggest they are morally outraged by educated people having a catharsis over something that clearly means something to them. Its bullshit and should not be tolerated.

 

[peterhague]

I never feel deader inside than when I read one of Andy's long, incoherent, rambling, sickly sweet sentimental rants, and then see it being cheered to the rafters as if it were some kind of Churchillian call to arms.

Well, each to their own, I suppose.

 

[peterhague]

It's not claim for me and many others it was very real. Of course, I didn't hear her or her colleagues say 'let's divide the country', or receive briefings, or see it written down but I'm sure industrial and political strategies and scenarios were discussed that amounted to the same thing. It's seems implausible she and her cabinet wouldn't recognise or foresee the impact the policies might have and where.

Decisions deliberated on and then enacted equal deliberate choices, unless you're asking us to believe her and her government had no idea what the outcome would be or the consequences for many?

She chose to let the chips fall where they may. Unsurprisingly there were winners and losers and strong views formed.

I think you know this.

Thatcher went to war with the mining unions. But her adversary’s role is often overlooked. Arthur Scargill was the boss of the National Union of Mineworkers, and what sort of a man was he?
In an extraordinary interview with BBC 5Live in 2000, Scargill reminded us that he was a Stalinist who adamantly supported the USSR, and suggested the Russian gulags - in which millions perished - might not have existed (prompting the listener who’d asked him about it to draw a parallel with David Irving’s holocaust denials). Famously, when asked how much losses a pit could make before being considered for closure, Scargill replied “the loss is without limits”.
On the eve of the strikes in 1984 energy minister Peter Walker put together a deal offering miners another job or a voluntary redundancy package, plus £800m investment in mining. He told Thatcher: “I think this meets every emotional issue the miners have. And it’s expensive, but not as expensive as a coal strike”. Thatcher replied “You know, I agree with you”.
Scargill turned down the offer, vetoed the expected ballot of miners to decide whether to strike, and, called a strike (Scargill later wrote about his decision in the Guardian).
Scargill’s politics eventually proved too extreme for his erstwhile political allies on the left, and he ended his career isolated and mocked by his fellow socialists. These days he declines to give interviews.

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/...s/7-most-annoying-thatcher-myths/5218.article

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I never feel deader inside than when I read one of Andy's long, incoherent, rambling, sickly sweet sentimental rants, and then see it being cheered to the rafters as if it were some kind of Churchillian call to arms.

Well, each to their own, I suppose.

Well pull yourself together and concentrate your efforts on coming up with a reason to support why our taxes, in this age of austerity, are being used to pay for an £8m funeral.

And why aren't Co-op funerals doing it paid for by her, no doubt sizeable, estate?

 

[Oncy]

I never feel deader inside than when I read one of Andy's long, incoherent, rambling, sickly sweet sentimental rants, and then see it being cheered to the rafters as if it were some kind of Churchillian call to arms.

Well, each to their own, I suppose.

Thats because you are a tory and as such have no heart.
Id write one about dead babies or money mate but they arent my thing.

Anyway, look on the brightside, you cant read it. Safe.

 

[Skullflower]

i imagine your entire emotional spectrum consists of different levels of interior deadness, peter.

 

[refugee]

I shared it amongst mine. It's fucking brilliant. Needless to say no one is arguing it.

I'm scared to comment as the hunger strikers comment will start a war if it appears on my facebook feed. Needless to say a lot of people would argue that point

 

[Oncy]

I'm scared to comment as the hunger strikers comment will start a war if it appears on my facebook feed. Needless to say a lot of people would argue that point

Dont be scared mate. Im (if anything) a unionist. But right is still right.

 

[refugee]

Dont be scared mate. Im (if anything) a unionist. But right is still right.

Some of them killed an awful lot of people, and I find it very hard to find to be sympathetic. I'm called David because one of my Dads best friends died in a bomb (planted in his television).

Personally I'd be happy to let the lot of them starve to death (both sides, and supporters included).

BTW. I liked a lot of your post.

 

[Portly]

It's fucking brilliant. Needless to say no one is arguing it.

I don't want to wear out my keyboard for no good purpose. 🙄

 

[Oncy]

Some of them killed an awful lot of people, and I find it very hard to find to be sympathetic. I'm called David because one of my Dads best friends died in a bomb (planted in his television).

Personally I'd be happy to let the lot of them starve to death (both sides, and supporters included).

BTW. I liked a lot of your post.

Fair enough mate. Like I said I have mostly unionist leanings from my time living in Norn Iron, but when it comes to the standing of prisoners who were waring against an occupation of thier country I fail to see how it cannot be political.
Not to condone the acts themselves of course.

 

[Asbo]

I never feel deader inside than when I read one of Andy's long, incoherent, rambling, sickly sweet sentimental rants, and then see it being cheered to the rafters as if it were some kind of Churchillian call to armis.

Well, each to their own, I suppose.

Churchill isn't the greatest leader now don't you know?

Thatcher killing those poor argie soldiers and sailors as they was speeding back home and miles outside the exclusion zone seems to have surpassed Churchill WW2 deeds, I have even today seen people fawning over her cold dead withered corpse saying she ' saved Europe'

Saved Europe from what?

Hopefully dying on Monday and saving Europe having her living here on Tuesday and beyond.

 

[peterhague]

i imagine your entire emotional spectrum consists of different levels of interior deadness, peter.

That's rich!

 

[peterhague]

Well pull yourself together and concentrate your efforts on coming up with a reason to support why our taxes, in this age of austerity, are being used to pay for an £8m funeral.

And why aren't Co-op funerals doing it paid for by her, no doubt sizeable, estate?

I don't care about either of those things.

 

[cloggypop]

Tories tend not to be the caring type .

 

[peterhague]

Lefties tend not to be the thinking type.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

To be fair to Maggie she did turn down the offer of a fly by as it'd be a waste of money.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I don't care about either of those things.

Of course you don't.

 

[StevieM]

Did she? I honestly didn't know, if she did. I remember my sister starting at Edinburgh in 92 and getting a grant as well as paying no fees.

I think whatever happens there'll always be arrangements for people to borrow their uni fees and pay back out of a certain salary, if they receive it. I find it hard to imagine that'll change, at least in our lifetime. As long as there's something like that then anyone will still be able to study what they want.

Btw I'm not necessarily saying I support such a scenario.

Student loans started in 1990 - not for fees, but the grant was frozen at around £2.5k per year and loans brought in to offset annual increases.

At the same time, housing benefit for students was stopped, as was the ability to get the dole outside term time.

Over the next decade, loans for living costs increased & grants decreased, until loans for fees were added in.

At the same time, university funding was based on how many bodies you could get enrolled on courses.

This,combined with increasing the number of universities meant Universities, particularly the new ones, aggressively chased students to enrolled in popular courses, often at the expense of quality

No saying it was a bad thing, but it was a bit rich that cunts who had benefited from generous assistance going to Zuni suddenly didn't like the idea when it was coming out of their pockets.

 

[peterhague]

@Squonk Why should I? It's £8m. Totally irrelevant in terms of public spending.

 

[Fox]

Anyone willing to predict how bad the trouble is going to be at the funeral

I predict a riot

 

[cloggypop]

Anyone willing to predict how bad the trouble is going to be at the funeral

I predict a riot

Moved on from the marching then .

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

@Squonk Why should I? It's £8m. Totally irrelevant in terms of public spending.

Haha

 

[Oncy]

Anyone willing to predict how bad the trouble is going to be at the funeral

I predict a riot

Soz Kaiser Chief!!

 

[Oncy]

@Squonk Why should I? It's £8m. Totally irrelevant in terms of public spending.

Jesus fuck.

 

[Asbo]

Anyone willing to predict how bad the trouble is going to be at the funeral
I predict a riot

The army is lining the streets and police are going to stop civilians, sorry 'trouble makers' from getting anywhere near the show.


The poor and disabled can't even touch her robe for healing because obviously it's a tory robe and isn't designed to help the poor and disabled anyway.

The 8 million is vastly under what the real cost will be

 

[refugee]

Fair enough mate. Like I said I have mostly unionist leanings from my time living in Norn Iron, but when it comes to the standing of prisoners who were waring against an occupation of thier country I fail to see how it cannot be political.
Not to condone the acts themselves of course.

I can see your point, and I agree that the reason for the bombing was political.

However I don't agree that the hunger strikers should have special privileges in prison because of the political nature of their crimes. Bombing is such a coarse and indiscriminate way of making a point. You can plant a bomb in any location with a target in mind, but there is no way to stop it killing men, women or children, innocent or otherwise, Protestant or Catholic that just happen to be in the same location.

 

[mark1975]

@Squonk Why should I? It's £8m. Totally irrelevant in terms of public spending.

lol and lefties don't think.

Now I know where your fucked up justification for Rafa's spending comes from.

 

[cloggypop]

I bet the party poppers , fireworks and ale around the country add up to way more than a paltry 8 million .