Lucky for them.
She's dead
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Lucky for them.
But those things don't happen for the lack of £8m. They happen because without a line drawn on a general approach to spending decisions, then no limit could ever be put on spending in total. To imply that the £8m spent on the funeral will actually deprive some other service of funds is just completely absurd.
So that 8m comes from some other magic pot of cash that doesn't deprive any other service in any way shape or form?
You can't truly believe that.
The public, yes, the public through charity donations and support from private enterprise have paid for the following at Alder Hey:
£10m Oncology unit
The first of its kind in the UK to house research, learning and treatment under one roof, with dedicated teenage areas.
£3m Intra Operative 3T MRI Scanner & Theatre Suite
The first of its kind in Europe, donated by the Barclay Foundation.
The £600k refurbishment of the Physiotherapy Unit in partnership with the AF Foundation.
Over £6m in the last 5 years on medical equipment Ranging from bone scanners, ECMO machines and specialist Epilepsy facilities.
Over £2m supporting vital research and groundbreaking initiatives
Over £300k supporting the Arts Programme
Yeah, £8m is irrelevant.
£10m Oncology unit
The first of its kind in the UK to house research, learning and treatment under one roof, with dedicated teenage areas.
£3m Intra Operative 3T MRI Scanner & Theatre Suite
The first of its kind in Europe, donated by the Barclay Foundation.
The £600k refurbishment of the Physiotherapy Unit in partnership with the AF Foundation.
Over £6m in the last 5 years on medical equipment Ranging from bone scanners, ECMO machines and specialist Epilepsy facilities.
Over £2m supporting vital research and groundbreaking initiatives
Over £300k supporting the Arts Programme
Yeah, £8m is irrelevant.
Read my last reply. You're all either being deliberately obtuse, or - well, I think I've insulted people enough the last couple of days, but, y'know.
That's the way it is. The government operates at a completely different level from you and me. Surely you know that. The £8m is either borrowed or created out of thin air.
Of course, we all pay for it one way or another, that *is* true. But it won't actually be taken from another spending commitment.
She wasn't an anarchist!
You liberals are full of contradictions you know...
What she did in the North wasnt far from anarchy
Well if there's one compliment I wouldn't mind paying you I suppose it'd be consistency.
Are we agreeing I had the last word and we can lock this thread?
Can someone summarize this thread for me because I can't be bothered to read back through it all.
She's dead.
... And South African wine isn't to everyone's taste.
People who believe the miners strike was about uneconomical pits are the same follks who think the first gulf war was about moral outrage at Iraq's invasion of Kuwait - i.e. the deluded.
Hint 1 - the miners strike was deliberatley provoked so the bitch coudl take on & beat the unions.
Hint 2 - the first gulf war (and arguably the second) was about US imperialism (backed by the bitch just before she resigned as PM) protecting their oil interests
Scargill had his faults, but it wasnt about Thatcher vs Scargill (though the media obviously jumped on the bandwagon to deamonise him), it was about Thatcher and her class interests taking on organised labour. Unfortunately the NUM was let down by the leadership of the labour movement (both party & TUC) at the time, and irreperable damage was done to the organised power of the working class. With some unity & solidarity at the time the bitch woudl have lost that strike, probably been dumped from power and we would not now be having a debate on whether or not it is right to celebrate her death as she woudl be a mere sidenote in history.
As usual, what was needed was somewhere in between where sacrifices were required on both sides for the long term benefit of the country.
Instead we got two idiots more interested in self preservation & dogmatic ideology creating a political war where there could only be one winner and lots of losers.
My experience with Trade Union Leaders, is that they are pretty much the same sort of cunts as politician, with the same sociopathic tendencies.
Might you, the so called "business leaders" that now pull the government strings are cut from the same cloth as well.
Instead we got two idiots more interested in self preservation & dogmatic ideology creating a political war where there could only be one winner and lots of losers.
My experience with Trade Union Leaders, is that they are pretty much the same sort of cunts as politician, with the same sociopathic tendencies.
Might you, the so called "business leaders" that now pull the government strings are cut from the same cloth as well.
only this country would moan about spending some money on the security and armed forces for an ex PM funeral. A PM of 11 years.
I would expect the same for Tony Blair and I never supported him, regardless of if you liked her or not she is of historical significance and the world will expect a send of some sort.
see it is good for the economy, businesses up north will make a fortune
No one is saying it is. You're deliberately taking us as being obtuse and ignorant of the facts, we're not. We know how the economics work, we're talking (again) about morals and the fact that the government is making cuts across the board but can finance a funeral for £8m for a figure they know was both controversial and divisive. I'm not suggesting it's money that was going on a new Health Centre in Stockport (for example), but it could have done.
The Tax payer is getting screwed at the minute "doing there bit" as our latest fantastic Tory leader put it - increases in Council Tax, heavy VAT, fuel prices and transport costs that are through the roof - hey, of course we don't mind doing our bit for the economy, take as much as you want and leave my pay at the same rate it was two years ago, so what's £8m?
Morally it's fucking WRONG.
Fox - the necessity to pay for so much security should surely tell you as much about public feeling and about this government's hypocrisy. Something yourself and Peter seem keen to once again to polish over. It would sicken me if it was Blair too, for the record. This notion that £8m is a 'drop in the ocean' sums up my anger at Tory attitudes and Peter's general standing throughout this thread.
Atlee was a change prime minister too. I dont recall him getting the same type of funeral.
If i was a family member i would be inclined to ask for a small family service and stop the pantomime.
I am a bit surprised the queen is going. Mainly because if you couple it with certain politicians not being invited to the wedding and possibly the queen mums funeral then you can make a case for there being a political bias.
If i was a family member i would be inclined to ask for a small family service and stop the pantomime.
I am a bit surprised the queen is going. Mainly because if you couple it with certain politicians not being invited to the wedding and possibly the queen mums funeral then you can make a case for there being a political bias.
oh and as for PeterH's view that £8m is nothing in terms of government spending.
Well thats correct, however when people point out how small a proportion, of the overall public expenditure the number of people not working and having lots ok kids are, you seem to be bothered about that.
Well thats correct, however when people point out how small a proportion, of the overall public expenditure the number of people not working and having lots ok kids are, you seem to be bothered about that.
I'm unsure why you thought to post a story about the figures involved in a mining dispute in 1984?
The damage to industry and the resulting mass unemployment peaked in 1981, several years before.
Incidentally, your random if irrelevant pick does, I'm sure, remind those around at the time of the genesis of Police mistrust. Marshalling Police from around the country to block motorways, blockade towns and pits and herd miners was a daily TV feature. It's why many Police don para-military uniforms today and why no-one trusts them as they're seen as an agent of the Government with an agenda and not a public service.
Another Thatcher legacy.
I used to work for an organisation that provides a service to people who need it..
The Citzens Advice Bureau.. They for years depended on Goverment funding.. Due to cuts and what have you, they have had a huge wedge of that pulled.. at the same time having to lay people off who where providing a service that was very much needed, leaving a huge gap...
That 8 million may not sound much, but that could be better spent for an organistation like the CAB in Vulnerable areas..
Point is, its a complete outrage at the time where the focus has been on spending cuts they go and spend 8 million of Tax payers money on a funeral.. This 8 Million doesn't take into account the expenses the MP's who will be attending the funeral will claim..
She was not a royal and therefore doesnt warrant a state funeral! She was a politician who rightly or wrongly made decisions which affected millions of people's lives. Some were destroyed as a result, others were built up and they enjoyed an elevated and inflated lifestyle..
Some she brought together, others she split apart for good.
Dont ask us to pay for her funeral due to her lifestyle and decisions
The Citzens Advice Bureau.. They for years depended on Goverment funding.. Due to cuts and what have you, they have had a huge wedge of that pulled.. at the same time having to lay people off who where providing a service that was very much needed, leaving a huge gap...
That 8 million may not sound much, but that could be better spent for an organistation like the CAB in Vulnerable areas..
Point is, its a complete outrage at the time where the focus has been on spending cuts they go and spend 8 million of Tax payers money on a funeral.. This 8 Million doesn't take into account the expenses the MP's who will be attending the funeral will claim..
She was not a royal and therefore doesnt warrant a state funeral! She was a politician who rightly or wrongly made decisions which affected millions of people's lives. Some were destroyed as a result, others were built up and they enjoyed an elevated and inflated lifestyle..
Some she brought together, others she split apart for good.
Dont ask us to pay for her funeral due to her lifestyle and decisions
I don't even know where our CAB is here anymore or if we still have one. I know their offices closed a couple of years back.
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