Skrtel own goals
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Absolutely not a concidence I would say.. Skrtel is a very experienced player and has played a lot of games for LFC..
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… and scored a lot of own goals over the years for club and country. Google search for Skrtel own goals nets 157,000 results… Turns out he also scored one for Slovakia in October, they lost the game 1:0.
Anybody know how many OGs he has BTW? Did he catch Carra already?
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Anybody know how many OGs he has BTW? Did he catch Carra already?
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It's actually Skrtel's 5th own goal and to answer your original question I'd say it's a bit of both.
Skrtel is imo a reactive defender (not sure if I'm using the right word). He throws himself into challenges and does his utmost to get the ball. It's an aggressive form of defending which can, in worst case scenarios, cause penalties, yellow/red cards or in this case own goals. In many cases if Skrtel doesn't get the ball he damn well makes sure that his opponent doesn't either.
It's a bit like Carra, Vidic, Terry, Shawcross etc.
Those are the cons but the pro's are that those types of defenders are intimidating and usually successful at what they do especially if they possess other skills like timing, awareness and agility. I regard them as a necessity in a "tough" league like the premiership. Usually the pro's outweigh the cons' with those types of defenders.
Personally I prefer defenders like Hyypia, Agger, Vertonghen, Ferdinand, Adams etc who rely more on anticipation.
Skrtel is imo a reactive defender (not sure if I'm using the right word). He throws himself into challenges and does his utmost to get the ball. It's an aggressive form of defending which can, in worst case scenarios, cause penalties, yellow/red cards or in this case own goals. In many cases if Skrtel doesn't get the ball he damn well makes sure that his opponent doesn't either.
It's a bit like Carra, Vidic, Terry, Shawcross etc.
Those are the cons but the pro's are that those types of defenders are intimidating and usually successful at what they do especially if they possess other skills like timing, awareness and agility. I regard them as a necessity in a "tough" league like the premiership. Usually the pro's outweigh the cons' with those types of defenders.
Personally I prefer defenders like Hyypia, Agger, Vertonghen, Ferdinand, Adams etc who rely more on anticipation.
Id rather a defender who was willing to put his body in the way and try to get something on the ball that one who would rather not take the risk. Own goals are an inevitable consequence of this
You will often see an own goal as a result of a dangerous ball played in behind the defence from wide, if a defender sticks a leg out to block/clear the ball there is always a chance it will ricochet into his own net, the alternative is he lets it go and leaves the opposing striker with a tap in. The player who lets it go is abdicating his responsibility as a defender and just hoping the striker misses
You will often see an own goal as a result of a dangerous ball played in behind the defence from wide, if a defender sticks a leg out to block/clear the ball there is always a chance it will ricochet into his own net, the alternative is he lets it go and leaves the opposing striker with a tap in. The player who lets it go is abdicating his responsibility as a defender and just hoping the striker misses
Agger is a better defender than Skrtel for me...but not by much. But we need to stop this fucking musical chair that we are playing with defenders. It's giving me heart palpitations.
The option should be taken out of the hands of the manager.....we need to sell sell sell in January, and i don't care who.
The option should be taken out of the hands of the manager.....we need to sell sell sell in January, and i don't care who.
Is there evidence that Agger shirks out of situations like that? I don't think you can.....he has been around for 7 years now, and i don't think he has made many mistakes in his time at all. He deserves some respect.
I don't think we're looking to sell anyone, tbh. It's gonna be between Agger and Skrtel.
We'll wait until January and see if we get any offers, we won't be desperate to sell.
It's coin toss between them imo, highest bid wins.
But we only have one defender like Agger.
We'll wait until January and see if we get any offers, we won't be desperate to sell.
It's coin toss between them imo, highest bid wins.
But we only have one defender like Agger.
I know but he's one for the future. Talks of him leaving on loan to Sporting in January.
League
28 Nov 10 vs Tottenham (A) lost 2-1
1 May 12 vs Fulham (H) lost 1-0
1 Dec 13 vs Hull (A) lost 3-1
7 Dec 13 vs West Ham (H) won 4-1
Fa Cup
26 Jan 08 vs Havant & Waterlooville FC won 5-2
[article=http://www.barriesview.com/2013/05/10-interesting-jamie-carragher-stats]Jamie Carragher scored 7 own goals in the Premier League and 1 in the 2006 FA Cup final. 3 of these benefited Tottenham. Only Richard Dunne (10) has scored more in the history of the Premier League.[/article]
28 Nov 10 vs Tottenham (A) lost 2-1
1 May 12 vs Fulham (H) lost 1-0
1 Dec 13 vs Hull (A) lost 3-1
7 Dec 13 vs West Ham (H) won 4-1
Fa Cup
26 Jan 08 vs Havant & Waterlooville FC won 5-2
[article=http://www.barriesview.com/2013/05/10-interesting-jamie-carragher-stats]Jamie Carragher scored 7 own goals in the Premier League and 1 in the 2006 FA Cup final. 3 of these benefited Tottenham. Only Richard Dunne (10) has scored more in the history of the Premier League.[/article]
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Hard to argue with Rurik with regards to Agger's future, when the managers marquee signing was a left footed CB. Makes you wonder why he was named VC in the first place doesn't it?
Sign of a real problem, I'd say-- there is an almost instinct tendency on his part to react rather than anticipate. Even the deflections such as at Hull come about as an instinctive sticking out of the leg rather than putting his body in front of the ball. I think all our defenders have fundamental weaknesses; almost all of them invariably sleepwalk at crucial stages-- Agger let Johnson steal a run on him for Norwich's goal while Johnson always stands off a crosser of the ball.
What Rodgers has had to do is to try minimise the danger to ourselves but I don't think he has it nailed yet.
Did you see the own goal for Slovakia? He passed the ball back to the keeper and the keeper fucked up.
Poor from both keeper and Skrtel to be honest. He gave the keeper too much to do with that ridiculous pause but the goalie in turn ought to have just thumped it out.
People absolutely crucified Toure for not getting a block on Ramsey's shot, at least Skrtel had the balls to throw himself infront of the two Hull chances, on another day they'd have gone anywhere, how many interceptions does he make per game? More than most I'd wager. The one yesterday was clumsy but it was within a split second, it happens. A more important point regarding the block for the goals against Hull might be to ask why he's constantly having to come across the defense to cover both sides, usually because his defensive partner has gone AWOL or has come unstuck. The chances that were highlighed against Everton where Agger didn't get close enough to the Barca kid and then Lukaku show this clearly. He's bailing other players out.
None of them are playing particularly well, but this is a bit selective, particularly when people are leveling things like the Slovakia goal at him, without even checking what actually happened.
None of them are playing particularly well, but this is a bit selective, particularly when people are leveling things like the Slovakia goal at him, without even checking what actually happened.
Passes like that are made under pressure in every game, it's upto the keeper to be equally composed, short of hoofing it, all the angles were covered by the Greece side, but the keeper had space infront of him to take a touch and clear the ball.
I agree. Carra was famously culpable for a few OGs and also gave away penos at times. The fact was that he put his body on the line so often that there was bound to be the odd mishap.
This seems an ideological debate and I shall say no more.
That one was not his fault at all, he played a standard back pass to the goalkeeper who fucked up.
Its coincidence and that says list it really, all defenders score own goals, shit happens the one against West Ham was unlucky, he had to go for it, i would want him to go for it every time as the striker was there ready for the point blank shot.
These things tend go in 3's though like the Sturridge 1-0s at the start of the season so dont be suprised if he Frank Sinclairs it in one of our next few games.
Gave the keeper to much to do? it was a standard back pass.
It's his trademark
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