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So a ten game ban..

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RedNinja said:
I think there is a good argument for suspending at least half of his ban..

On that basis it is worth appealing
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Since when did what was 'A good argument' matter to the FA?

He recieved a 7 game ban in Holland for the same offence.

Since that time he has recieved an 8 game ban for racism and a one game ban for profanity and been very lucky to escape twice more for stamping. I dont see any reason or any hope that after already having a 7 game ban for this the FA would reduce it on appeal.

We can moan about it all we like (and I think its massively harsh) but hes a victim of his own stupidity.
 
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peterhague said:
Harsher punishments for repeat offences are so common, and so widely accepted in society at large, that it's a pretty big leap to say they shouldn't exist. Yellow cards for a number of fouls? Ever heard of that one? A shorter sentence for first time offenders? Ever heard of that?
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FFS, its not about the fact its more than 3 games, it's about them stating their intent to ban him for longer, before any investigation took place - yes, I know it was on TV, but you and Ross seem hell bent on referencing legal procedure, so...
 
Herr Onceared said:
Since when did what was 'A good argument' matter to the FA?

He recieved a 7 game ban in Holland for the same offence.

Since that time he has recieved an 8 game ban for racism and a one game ban for profanity and been very lucky to escape twice more for stamping. I dont see any reason or any hope that after already having a 7 game ban for this the FA would reduce it on appeal.

We can moan about it all we like (and I think its massively harsh) but hes a victim of his own stupidity.
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Yes he is a victim of his own Stupidity, however If a case is put forward that he retrospectivley needs help to resolve his issues, arguing a initial Ten Match ban would have a negative effect.. he may very well have a case. It is clear banning him is not working, the root cause has to be also dealt with..
 
RedNinja said:
Yes he is a victim of his own Stupidity, however If a case is put forward that he retrospectivley needs help to resolve his issues, arguing a initial Ten Match ban would have a negative effect.. he may very well have a case. It is clear banning him is not working, the root cause has to be also dealt with..
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Its not the FA's responsibilty to get his head sorted. We employ him. Their job is to enforce the rules. I dont see ANY reason why they should reduce the ban other than the fact some people think its harsh.
It just wont happen.
 
Herr Onceared said:
I dont think its worth appealling.

We should just wear it. They wont overturn it. They never ever do.
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I agree I cant help but feel that an appeal will be counter productive, for one thing it would delay the process and mean he missed more games next season rather than the tail end of this year, and then there is the possibility of it being increased
 
Appealing will not help.

Neither will this but we should do it anyway.

I would not appeal at all but I would take it one step further. I would state that the reason we are not appealing is because we have lost faith in the FA to be unbiased and just. We must publicly denounce the decision as the unfair and unjust vindictive action it is and explicitly question other decisions in which the FA has revealed its hypocrisy to illustrate the matter.

FA representatives other than those officiating would no longer be welcome at Anfield, no player will attend any FA function and the club should be as un-cooperative as possible regarding internationals.

A press black out a la Ferguson for people like Bascombe et al....

We cannot allow ourselves to be fucked over and this decision is totally unfair, we cant appeal but I honestly think it is our duty to protest.
 
Of course we should appeal, it's bizarre that a bite that didn't draw blood, let alone leave a mark (and required no medical assistance) should be punished with a 10 game ban whereas a two-footed over the ball challenge that badly injures a player usually receives 3-6 game bans!

Aside from the Defoe yellow card decision and the numerous other FA disciplinary fuck-ups, the FA gave Roy Keane a total of an 8 game ban for admitting in his auto-biography that the tackle on Alfe Inge-Halland was an attempt to end his career!
 
Molbystwin said:
FA representatives other than those officiating would no longer be welcome at Anfield, no player will attend any FA function and the club should be as un-cooperative as possible regarding internationals.
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Thats never going to happen, Gerrard is England captain for Gods sake. We cant just decide not to co-operate with the games governing body that would be ridiculous and extremely short sighted. We cant just boycott them we are forced to work with the FA the sort of actions your proposing would have very negative consequences and make the club a laughing stock
 
mark1975 said:
FFS, its not about the fact its more than 3 games, it's about them stating their intent to ban him for longer, before any investigation took place - yes, I know it was on TV, but you and Ross seem hell bent on referencing legal procedure, so...
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So you keep ignoring the fact they followed procedure, a similar procedure which does occur in criminal law too.
 
I think if they had given a 7 game ban (same as in Holland) it would have sat easier with me, but then if they see it as a punishment for the same offence that he clearly hasnt learned from it stands to reason that they add the standard punishment for violent conduct to make it 10.

Upshot is he bit someone. Again.
I dont see the point in appealing. Ive seen appeals to the FA when its clear the referee saw it wrong and they dont overturn it. He BIT a guy....AGAIN.
 
RedNinja said:
Yes he is a victim of his own Stupidity, however If a case is put forward that he retrospectivley needs help to resolve his issues, arguing a initial Ten Match ban would have a negative effect.. he may very well have a case. It is clear banning him is not working, the root cause has to be also dealt with..
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Hang on.

You want to argue that they should lessen the ban because it's not going to stop him doing it again ?

Imagine that logic applied to a rapist in court.
 
Rosco said:
So you keep ignoring the fact they followed procedure, a similar procedure which does occur in criminal law too.
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They hadn't investigated the issue. They said from the off that "the usual 3 game ban for violent conduct wouldn't suffice", this was on Sunday evening. They'd already made up their minds then. And just for the record, we're not talking about criminal law, we're talking about a Governing Body's dubious take on their own ambiguous rulings. Why is the ban accumulative? Why is he being punished for incidents he's already paid the price for? It's NOT criminal law. I posted examples regarding Rooney and Ferdinand where past 'crimes' were in no way referenced, infact, in the case of Rooney, they were blatantly ignored in a bid to get a ban rescinded. Where's the consistency? Oh.

*awaits the latest text book trolling bollocks*
 
mark1975 said:
They hadn't investigated the issue. They said from the off that "the usual 3 game ban for violent conduct wouldn't suffice", this was on Sunday evening. They'd already made up their minds then. And just for the record, we're not talking about criminal law, we're talking about a Governing Body's dubious take on their own ambiguous rulings. If the ban is accumulative, why is he being punished for incidents he's already paid the price for. I posted examples regarding Rooney and Ferdinand where past 'crimes' were in no way referenced, infact, in the case of Rooney, they were blatantly ignored in a bid to get a bad rescinded.
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There's literally no point in talking to you about it, you're just being totally ignorant.

You realise the Regulation Commission came out with the first bit, and an Independent Panel decided the length of the ban ? Not the same people.

I'm well aware we're not talking about criminal law, but in the Evra incident every halfwit on the planet was saying that criminal procedures and standards should be used - because they thought it suited. Now when it doesn't suit criminal law and procedure has nothing to do with anything.

You and everyone else that keep harping on about this shit are like the person who goes to the offensive comedian and only complains about the jokes that have a personal connect for you. If it's all offensive you can't pick and choose the bits to get upset about just because they affect you. It makes you a massive hypocrite.

I can't believe you're genuinely shocked that when a player consistently does things beyond the pale that the ban gets longer.
 
RedStar said:
Thats never going to happen, Gerrard is England captain for Gods sake. We cant just decide not to co-operate with the games governing body that would be ridiculous and extremely short sighted. We cant just boycott them we are forced to work with the FA the sort of actions your proposing would have very negative consequences and make the club a laughing stock
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What are they going to do? Offer up ludicrous vindictive bans?

Done already.

And the press?

Write even more lies and exaggerations?

A laughing stock?

Not at alI, not in the slightest.

We cannot be any more harshly treated than we are being already and we must defend ourselves. The FA has gone out of its way to bow to a media hounding and simply cannot claim to be an impartial authority in my opinion. Justice must be equitable for all involved or it is simply not justice. We have a duty to point that out and until the FA recognise it we should make it clear that they are failing because of their blatant shocking inconsistency and are not welcome at Anfield.

I am genuinely furious about this it cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.
 
Rosco said:
I can't believe you're genuinely shocked that when a player consistently does things beyond the pale that the ban gets longer.
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I'm ignorant? Fuck off, did you even acknowledge the point? No you didn't, you've painted it as a selective defense of his actions - it isn't. I've asked you to show me consistency and your best offering when faced with other recent examples is "how do you know past incidents weren't taken into consideration?" You're second guessing as much as the next man, yet you think because you've got a law book to hand it adds some credibility, it doesn't. The rulings are ambiguous and the punishments and reasoning are inconsistent with plenty of examples to point to. Suarez has been a cock, he deserves his punishment and we deserve a massive apology from him, but my gripe is with the inevitable improvisation of the rules. Something you and your pals keep failing to acknowledge by trying to insinuate people are defending the action.

If you don't get it by now I'll leave it there because you're clearly only hearing what you want to hear, as per fucking usual.
 
The Keys and Gray show has just started.

First words on the show.

Keys - 'So 10 games?'

Gray - 'Its a lot.'

Keys - 'Its a completely hysterical reaction'

LOL.
Fair play chaps.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
He got a 5 game ban in Holland from their FA, 2 from his club.
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Ajax gave him a 2 game ban as an attempt to defuse the situation. The KNVB offered him 7 which he accepted. It was a much worse bite however and did not happen in the midst of battle.
 
If you guys care, the Qatari, Israeli, Jordanian and Syrian news stations haven't even given this first page attention on their Sports sections. Maybe it was right after all?!?!
 
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