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Ben Smith on Radio 5:

* He doesn't know if Dalglish's future is up in air
* Dalglish is back on merseyside
* Dalglish met with Werner and Henry yesterday and told them he still believes he is the right man for the job.
* He hasn't offered to step down or step aside
* The owners are very concerned about the difference in performances in the fa cup, carling cup and league. They don't understand why the side is successful in one competition and not another
* Dalglish was asked to lay out his vision for next season
* Dalglish has basically told the owners to back him or sack him. He's left the ball in their court
* Owners worried they have been throwing money away and are not getting value and performance back on the money they have spent. They are disappoined by the signings made last summer and the impact they have made
* Dalglish goes on holiday tomorrow so this needs to be resolved within the next 24/48 hours
 
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Hardly Man City spending wasnt it, and as 30 to 40 mill was syphoned off to pay kopholdings interest payments I would say that 30 mill net spend every year was sustainable - even more so if you miss the champion league gravy train. Like him or hate him even you Ross have to admit dealing with H&G was extremely difficult and Rafa did reform the academy setting on a more modern footing for the future

It was more than everyone bar City and Chelsea during the period.

And the 40m was paid by the Yanks, not the club.
 
Ben Smith is the worst blagger around. And would Kenny give them an ultimatum? He's cannier than that. He'd have to give a strong presentation, do what he can to convince them about the future and then leave it as amicably as possible.
 
It does seem very odd that a number of genuine ITK's would believe the same story, that Kenny was about to depart.
Perhaps it is a bit heavy on conspiracy but is it possible that these rumours were deliberately leaked to gauge the fans opinion on the potential future sacking of Kenny.
These lizards are pretty shrewd after all!
 
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[It was more than everyone bar City and Chelsea during the period.

And the 40m was paid by the Yanks, not the club. /QUOTE]

I realise the above is only the last 4 years ( doesnt include 2011 onwards ) but 30/35 mill net should be easily be affordable for a club such as ours. The 40 mill interest as you well know was wrapped up in the roll over of ever larger loans mortgaged against the club which completely hamstruck the club financially, I think your stance is disingenious frankly Ross.
 
Ben Smith is the worst blagger around. And would Kenny give them an ultimatum? He's cannier than that. He'd have to give a strong presentation, do what he can to convince them about the future and then leave it as amicably as possible.

I agree with you. Seems an unlikely tale.
 
Give the fuck over.

Yeah, yeah fly over to the States so we can sack you off please.....
 
"Bas" has his say in the matter.....

Kenny Dalglish clinging to Liverpool manager's job after meeting with club's owners fails to lift doubts over future
Kenny Dalglish’s position as Liverpool manager looks increasingly fragile after he failed to receive reassurances about his future from the club’s owners.

By Chris Bascombe
11:59PM BST 15 May 2012​
Dalglish returned to Merseyside on Tuesday after a whistle-stop visit to Boston, Massachusetts. He remained in his post after talks with principal owner John Henry and chairman Tom Werner, but there is no guarantee he will be in charge of team affairs at the start of next season.​
Dalglish travelled to the United States with assistant manager Steve Clarke, initially to establish the club’s plans for the pre-season, but to also challenge the perception that his job is under immediate threat.​
Clarke has not flown home because he is holidaying in America, but Dalglish made an instant return to Liverpool to await the Fenway Sports Group’s next move.​
Henry and Werner are troubled by Liverpool’s failure to mount a serious challenge for the Champions League places and are establishing the best way to ensure there is no repeat next season. They have been assessing if their vision for Liverpool can be realised under Dalglish’s leadership.​
The owners are disillusioned with the inconsistency of performances and intolerant of suggestions that bad luck was the main cause of Liverpool’s failure to challenge the top four.​
Dalglish has known he is in a vulnerable position since director of football Damien Comolli was sacked for buying too many underperforming players. The implication was that Dalglish, too, was being blamed for targeting mediocre signings.​
Although Werner said at the time Dalglish had his “full support” there were no promises he would keep his job if Liverpool did not improve their league position.​
Home defeats to Wigan and Fulham made the situation worse and there was a feeling that only winning the FA Cup would save the manager.​
Losing to Chelsea at Wembley raised concerns that Dalglish’s fate was sealed, and the refusal of the board to comment publicly on his future was a sign his position was being assessed.​
Dalglish believes the most adequate response to a disjointed campaign is to allow him to continue rebuilding the squad and to pursue new signings and contract extensions.​
In the meantime, there is a sense of impasse at Anfield as the outcome of the Boston summit is digested. The signs are not promising for Dalglish.​
Although sentiment and popularity with the fans are on his side, any suggestion he would willingly step aside for a younger man is a misjudgement.​
Acutely aware of the sensitivities of removing an iconic manager from his post, the Americans would seek to progress as carefully as possible in the event of dismissing Dalglish. They did not summon him to Boston and it was not a pre-planned visit.​
The face-to-face talks with Dalglish were very much a late call following intensifying speculation. It was the manager himself who decided to accompany Clarke, who was already planning a trans-Atlantic trip as the assistant’s views are considered hugely significant in the end of season review.
The lack of a resolution after Monday’s meeting has led to an air of uncertainty at the club. The prospect of an amicable parting of the ways, with Dalglish willingly stepping aside, has been shown to be an unlikely solution.​
There have been suggestions Dalglish would remain in an alternative role, possible reverting to the ambassadorial status he enjoyed before moving back to the dugout.​
There is nothing to suggest that would attract him, and it also runs the risk of a successor being dissuaded from working at Anfield under his shadow — a prospect which will be unpalatable for those who witnessed the experiences of Roy Hodgson.​
It has been a period of growing disharmony on Merseyside in the past few weeks with regular sackings and a sense of impending gloom for Dalglish’s supporters.​
Comolli still needs to be replaced and the Head of Sports Science, Peter Brukner, also lost his job.​
In the absence of a director of communication, following Ian Cotton’s departure a week ago, there was no one at the club in a position to comment on the feverish speculation surrounding Dalglish’s role on Tuesday night.​
 
No way to treat a King: Liverpool owners face fan fury over treatment of Dalglish
Sources claim the Kop idol's Boston trip didn't go well, with the notion of him giving up managerial duties for a new role being turned down flat

The blaze of rumour over Kenny Dalglish’s future has already been replaced by a furious inferno from his fans.

The Liverpool chief’s future was very much the No.1 topic on the agenda as a wide-ranging Anfield review was launched by the owners.

And amid fevered speculation that Dalglish was about to be sacked, chairman Tom Werner and principle owner John W Henry’s vocal refusal to back their boss has left a vast vacuum filled by conjecture and criticism.

The short-term pain of that, they reckoned, was a small price to pay to ensure greater long-term damage wasn’t inflicted by hasty public pronouncements.

But Twitter was soon ablaze with horror that a Reds legend could be left to hang in such a manner.

That anger is not likely to have much impact on Werner and Henry, though
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They may well be the exact opposite of the previous owners, the reviled Tom Hicks and George Gillett, in that they are intelligent and reserved, unlike their predecessors.

Yet they are still businessmen, who act decisively, when they feel they must.

Sources close to Dalglish were informed on his return from Boston that
discussions hadn’t gone well.

The Americans, it was suggested, had explored the possibility of a different role with the Scot, that relieved him of his managerial duties.
That was turned down flat.

Despite rumours to the contrary, Dalglish didn’t quit either.

The meeting broke with the manager making it clear that he wanted to remain in the job, but required unequivocal support to do so.

He was told the review would continue and a decision would be reached about the future as soon as possible.
That decision, though, may not arrive until Friday.

And in the meantime, an incredulous Liverpool support will grow ever more restless.

But Tuesday’s silence was ominous. As was the idea that the owners wanted to explore a different role with Dalglish.

It would suggest they are playing for time, while they work out how best to replace Dalglish with someone who can take the club forward. But such an outcome is not as easy as it sounds.

By addressing the situation in the lions’ den, the manager has put his employers on the back foot, and they will not find it easy to dismiss him now, without creating resentment amongst the support that could undermine any successor.

If King Kenny survives, it will be because the owners decide that politically it is the correct thing to do under the current circumstances.
If not, it is because the owners feel decisive action is now their only option, given the continued absence of Champions League football.

A worrying precedent has already been set across the pond.

Last season, after two years of failure to reach the baseball play-offs, Werner and Henry removed Terry Francona, the most celebrated manager in Boston Red Sox history and the man who finally brought the title back to Fenway Park after an 86-year wait.

At the start of the Premier League season, Henry made it clear a top-four finish was the ‘minimum aim’ at Anfield.
He invested more than £100million in the pursuit of that aim, and expected an immediate return.
Long term, the owners want an energetic manager with fresh ideas to create value within a young, ambitious playing squad, by developing and enhancing unseen qualities.

Jurgen Klopp, the Borussia Dortmund boss, fits the bill, but the Reds would seem a hard sell to a man who has already turned down Chelsea.
And the fact that Liverpool in its current form isn’t an attractive prospect for potential managers could be the reason the owners make such a tough call this week.
 
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Dalglish decision can't be rushed
As this moment, FSG are apparently mulling over whether or not Kenny Dalglish will still be the man in the hot seat at Anfield next season. A lot of people are uneasy about the uncertainty and believe that Dalglish deserves an answer immediately. I disagree. Indecision is never as fatal as wrong decision.

No one connected with Liverpool Football Clubs takes pleasure in seeing Kenny Dalglish left in limbo. No one likes the uncertainty engulfing Anfield at the moment. It isn't fitting that a legend of the game like Dalglish should be publicly suspended in mid air waiting to be either cut loose or reeled back in to safety. Having said that, John W. Henry and Tom Werner have a crucial decision to make and cannot afford to rush into it.

If replacing Roy Hodgson with Kenny Dalglish was a no brainer for FSG then this decision is the exact opposite. The management situation at Liverpool Football Club right now is as complex as it is emotive. Compelling cases can be made for Dalglish to remain as the leader of his beloved club and also to be replaced. Dalglish's supporters will point to the two excellent runs in the domestic cups and the fact that this Liverpool team certainly haven't gained the results that many of their performances have merited. From their point of view, the team requires little more than some fine tuning and a bit of luck. Conversely, those in favour of Dalglish's potential dismissal will point to the awful run of league form since the turn of the year, the chronic lack of a consistent tactical approach and argue that the club need to look at a more long term appointment than the 61 year old Scot.

The club is lacking leadership right now and high ranking employees are falling by the way side. A huge change will take place at Liverpool this summer regardless of who the manager is. A new Director of Football, a new CEO and a new medical team will all be put in place (as well as other appointments) in the coming days, weeks and months. FSG are seeking to implement a structure within the club that fits their style. That is all well and good, but they cannot afford to underestimate the importance of the managerial position. No matter how much faith they wish to place in a Director of Football or how important it is to have a smoothly functioning club with clear leadership (and God knows Liverpool do need that right now), the most important man at Liverpool Football Club has always been and always will be the manager. You can have the most well structured club in the world but if the manager isn't up to the task then the whole house of cards comes down. Results matter most in football and that is the manager's responsibility.

Liverpool is a club in danger of becoming mediocre. If the owners make the wrong decision regarding Dalglish's position and it subsequently impacts negatively on the team's performances next season then Liverpool will fall further and further behind the financial powerhouses in the Premier League and struggle to regain their coveted place in the Champions League for the foreseeable future. Proven world class players will not be attracted to Liverpool this summer and without a huge upturn in their league form and the carrot of Champions League football, they never will be. FSG must decide whether Kenny Dalglish is the man to take Liverpool back into Europe's premier club competition next season and if the answer is not immediately forthcoming then they should not be criticised. It is not an easy decision to make and it deserves due care and attention.

For 18 months, Liverpool's American owners have had a relatively easy ride. They can no longer remain silent in the background. They have proven themselves to be winners and excellent businessmen in other fields but now is the time to demonstrate that they can successfully translate their previous triumphs into the world of football. If it takes them a little more time to make the correct decision and it puts some noses out of joint for a while, so be it. Ultimately, no matter how long this decision takes, they cannot afford to get it wrong. The future success of one of England's greatest sporting institutions depends on it.
 
I gotta say, this doesn’t look good for Dalglish regardless of whether he ultimately keeps his job. I think it’s pretty clear they’re not 100% behind him, and their continued reluctance to publicly back him is telling.
He might ultimately get another year, but how often have these dalliances with sackings – at any club – led to positive outcomes? Generally, it’s the beginning of the end.
Let’s say he does keep his job, it’ll likely come with some hefty demands. Given Henry is in record 12 months ago as saying it’d be massively disappointing if we didn’t finish top 4, you can etch it in stone that those’ll be the targets for next season as well. How is Dalglish supposed to turn around a team that finished 20 odd points away from doing that, and 47 away from competing at the top that quickly? If he’s not making significant progress after 10 games, he’ll be gone. He’ll know that, the players will, and significantly the media will – and given his reluctance to tow the line with the latter, you can be sure he’ll be hounded out of a job by the non Merseyside-press.
Then comes the matter of summer signings. How can they throw full financial support behind a man they don’t seem to believe in? They can’t. there’s no way he’s going to get the 100M this side so badly needs, so he’s fucked – left trying to take a squad that finished 8th (that will probably weaken if Maxi and Dirk hit the road) up the table?
It’s pretty obvious I want a replacement, but I’m trying to see a way for this to work should he keep his job – which is of course entirely possible – and I’m struggling.
For me, regardless of whether they sack him now or not, he’s pretty much a dead man walking in this job.
 
Dalliances in sacking Mancini last year had borne the ultimate result.
Dalliances in sacking Fergie in his first few years had borne incredible results.
Dalliances in sacking Wenger the last few years had borne some stability.

I agree, he is a dead man walking without support but I do hope he will be able to turn us around with this team. It can be argued that we did not have the rub of the green this season whether one want to agree or not. Yes it can be also be argued Kenny was poor with his purchases and tactics too.

First target 4th. And we take it on from there. If it is evidently not, fair enough, he has to go.... after 10 games next season.

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If I may add, sacking a string of managers at Chelsea did not bear the required result.
 
See, pretty much all of that is spot on. The one minor point I'd disagree with is the 100m. I don't think it needs that much.

Pepe has been off a fair bit this season but I'm going to assume he's going to recover some form; I doubt any of the 100m you're talking about would have been earmarked for a keeper anyway.

The backline is also fairly settled despite Jose's late season fall out which I'm still hopeful he'll recover from. He's better than I thought he was and just needs to get that snap back in his legs.

Lucas needs to come back well from the injury. Agree with Ross and others it often takes 12 months to regain the agility and confidence but I think Lucas will recover faster than that; he's young enough and it wasn't his physical ability that made him good anyway; as long as his thinking remains as clear he'll be ok.

The front is definitely in need of attention - as it has been for about 6 years now.

That said, two players with good movement, game intelligence and the ability to find the net on occasion would make a massive difference to us. I know he's not coming but players like Eden Hazard or Silva etc are what is needed. Kenny doesn't need to aim for the summit next season - he just needs to clear 70 points. Two players like that added to Suarez and Gerrard would be enough to make the improvement he needs. Less player sales it's possible to get those in for a reasonable net spend.

That said, the problem is going to be, as you say, the first 2 or 3 months. Two new players would likely take a little time to find their feet and that's exactly what Kenny can't afford. He will struggle to make the changes required for top 4 and survive the first 3 months. The 100m, however, is way over the top.
 
Well I think we need 5 top players, (and a good manager but that's by the by), so you're looking at the guts of 75-100M to get that mate.

Regardless, I can't see them giving Kenny beyond 20M this summer, can you?
 
Well I think we need 5 top players, (and a good manager but that's by the by), so you're looking at the guts of 75-100M to get that mate.

Regardless, I can't see them giving Kenny beyond 20M this summer, can you?


Depends on the players and the case put forward. I could see them going to 25m net maybe slightly more.


Five new players to reach the top 4?? Seriously? You're miles off mate. The Chavs aren't 5 players off the top 4 - at least not 5 top class players anyway.

Newcastle are an obvious demonstration of this; 12th last season and they spent 13.6m net for this season (if my figures are correct) to jump up by 19 points - which is more than we need to reach top 4. That spending doesn't use the Carroll fee either.
 
Depends on the players and the case put forward. I could see them going to 25m net maybe slightly more.


Five new players to reach the top 4?? Seriously? You're miles off mate. The Chavs aren't 5 players off the top 4 - at least not 5 top class players anyway.

Newcastle are an obvious demonstration of this; 12th last season and they spent 13.6m net for this season (if my figures are correct) to jump up by 19 points - which is more than we need to reach top 4. That spending doesn't use the Carroll fee either.

Bear in mind Wiz that I'm suggesting the manager we've got needs 100M to finish top 4. Others mightn't.
 
kenny doesn't need 100m, he needs roughly about 30m (for a world class CM) and a different tactical approach (that commits more bodies to the attack).
 
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