In fairness, Rossiter does have a natural instinct to set up attacking play. He offers something offensively even in that role.
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In fairness, Rossiter does have a natural instinct to set up attacking play. He offers something offensively even in that role.
Lucas does that too.
I'm excited about Rossiter too, but you can't really compare how effective a player is for the reserves to someone playing in the first team.
Nowhere near to the same extent. I like Lucas, but his 'chance created' stats would not be impressive. Yes, this is where Ryan claims I don't understand the demands of the position. And yet, there are people who play the position that can have more of a creative impact.
Usually at the expense of their defensive impact... I haven't seen enough of Rossiter to know, but I imagine if he's getting involved a lot in attacking situations, then he will be out of position defensively on at least those occasions if not more.
Of course, that may be what he has been asked to do, but Lucas is definitely not asked to vacate his position, which is why he doesn't.
Lucas is in the right place at the right time the majority of the time, to receive the ball from defence, from attackers without an outlet, and again when the opposition have the ball. It's easier said than done, proved by the fact that most players playing his position, don't do it.
Not necessarily, it is seeing and effecting a more offensive pass. Rossiter can play further up the field and play a more rampaging old SG style game (and used to do so regularly) but since he's been given this role he's been very disciplined. However if you check out the passes around 2:10 and 3:50 in that vid you'll see his eye for a pass that gets people running into dangerous positions.
Exactamundo.
I thought the last 2 of the bookings were harsh. Which makes 3 legitimate bookings in his first 4 games. Completely unacceptable.
Obviously there's a lot of hope for him, and I hope he progresses as much as some are suggesting he will. But as I said before it's a little pointless analysing him and comparing him until he makes the first team.
hey don't blame me if i watched the match on a shit stream.
seriously though, i barely noticed him. and the russian commentator didn't help either !
We've had a flat, static midfield for years now, as Del put earlier (and a point you completely ignored but then compounded yourself), he's not the only problem, it'd be unfair to make him a scapegoat, but he's one of a few players we've got who are both overrated and hugely inconsistent. We've added quality to players like Johnson, Lucas, Skrtel and Agger for years now and got nowhere and it's arguably those four who've not really pushed on to the heights that their initial promise suggested. Good but not quite good enough to do it week in, week out for us, certainly not without being supplemented by superior players, making them part of a squad rather than the first names on the team sheet. They're not consistent enough but they give us enough to play a part.
I think that's fair, we can do better than all of the them and this notion that Lucas could walk into another top 8 side and be both a first team regular and a vast improvement on what they already have - enough for them to push on to the heights above them, is bollocks, because if that were the case, he wouldn't be such a divisive player here and consistently be a position that raises question marks. Of course we do have other issues, we lack depth, we need better players in a couple of positions and Gerrard is way past his best, but our midfield hasn't looked decent for half a decade now, I don't know why we have to be made to feel overly critical for looking at that, at least three of the players vying for those slots aren't up to scratch, they're all reasonable squadies but that's about as far as it goes.
I don't get the need for your constant pedantry and tendency to shoot down exaggerated points just to say "well technically that's wrong". We fucking know it is! But the crux of the point isn't.
No, because at his level he's got more in his locker and gives the team that bit extra as an all rounder. A drum that's been beaten throughout this thread.
And yes, this is you Modo, the England hater, except that's irrelevant here. What is relevant for your blindspot for anything South American, considering he's about as South American in style as my ma's cooking.
Is there any point even going into a debate with you about anything, considering the best you have to come up with is being being a smug, pedantic twat?
Fuck off you boring cunt.
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He wouldnt. Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Spurs, Everton, Southampton and us. That my top 8.
I'd rather have Schneiderlin or Wanyama than Lucas.
He wouldnt mate.
I feel some pantomime chanting coming on.
Oh yes he will, oh no he won't etc etc
Oh yes he will, oh no he won't etc etc
As I said earlier, the problem for me is that he gets so easily dribbled past:
"If we look at the stats for how often these players were dribbled past, however, the numbers start to tell a different, revealing story.
Alarmingly, an opponent dribbled past Lucas once every 46.47 minutes last season. To put that into perspective, the average of all 14 players listed above was 98.86 minutes, meaning Lucas was dribbled past over twice as often as the average. Cheick Tiote was dribbled past once every 50.28 minutes, but after him the next most frequently beaten was Ramires on 74.17. The best in the group was Sandro on 177.9, meaning Lucas was dribbled past almost four times as often as his fellow Brazilian."
"If we look at the stats for how often these players were dribbled past, however, the numbers start to tell a different, revealing story.
Alarmingly, an opponent dribbled past Lucas once every 46.47 minutes last season. To put that into perspective, the average of all 14 players listed above was 98.86 minutes, meaning Lucas was dribbled past over twice as often as the average. Cheick Tiote was dribbled past once every 50.28 minutes, but after him the next most frequently beaten was Ramires on 74.17. The best in the group was Sandro on 177.9, meaning Lucas was dribbled past almost four times as often as his fellow Brazilian."
Yes he would, without question. Arsenal need a defensive midfield, Arteta should be playing further forward, Lucas would do the job their anyway, his only real competition is Flamini. United's midfield would be much better served with Lucas alongside Carrick in a there than any of their other midfielders. Chelsea, Mikel, lol and he'd obviously improve Everton.
Isn't it logical to assume that a player who goes for more tackles/hassles the opponent more, will naturally get dribbled past more (as well as making more interceptions), I'm fairly sure that Lucas' tackling stats are rather high.
Being dribbled past once in each half of footy doesn't seem 'alarming' to me.
As for the others, perhaps they were hiding or somebody else on their team was dribbled past?
I know stats can be of help but sometimes you just have to say they're bollocks.
Obviously if it were a controlled experiment, with each of the combatants being dribbled at by the same player that'd be different but in a live footy match it doesn't have any context.
As for the others, perhaps they were hiding or somebody else on their team was dribbled past?
I know stats can be of help but sometimes you just have to say they're bollocks.
Obviously if it were a controlled experiment, with each of the combatants being dribbled at by the same player that'd be different but in a live footy match it doesn't have any context.
I dont agree mate. And fwiw the only English club that has shown any interest in him is Stoke.
He's a decent average player. None of the top teams would see him as an improvement.
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Its a stat comparing 14 defensive midfielders in the Premiership.
The only chance Lucas would get into any other team in the top 7 is if Benitez was managing them. Otherwise, he wouldn't get a look in.
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