UKIP took a bundle of votes in the election few years back
They would have had plenty of mps in a PR type situation
Maybe that lurch right would have been down to the push by ukip and tories feeling like they'll lose those votes.
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UKIP took a bundle of votes in the election few years back
They would have had plenty of mps in a PR type situation
Maybe that lurch right would have been down to the push by ukip and tories feeling like they'll lose those votes.
With PR you'll see the Green party getting a lot more votes, and maybe a few other parties will get more votes when people realise that they won't waste their vote by simply voting for the opposition or whoever. There'll probably be no more majority governments but coalitions.
Truss Declaring her support for Apartheid regime
Essentially declaring she's a HUGE Islamophobe, Arabophobe & supremacist
Essentially declaring she's a HUGE Islamophobe, Arabophobe & supremacist
I don't think a Labour government would do that though. For a couple of reasons.
Labour actually do very well out of FPTP. They tend to get more seats than their vote share would proportionally give them. The 2019 result was an outlier in this (and even then, not by much). You only need to look at the Blair years for this.
1997 - Labour got a lower share of the vote than the Tories in 2019, but got loads more seats. It was a similar story in 2001 and 2005. The fact is that if Labour can make themselves popular, FPTP really, really works for them. Why would they change that if they have made themselves popular enough to get a majority?
Secondly, under current circumstances, it is easy to say that a PR system which leads to a minority govt would freeze the Tories out. And yes, it probably would now.
However, things change, parties change, people change.
From a Lib Dem point of view, it is entirely possible that there could be the next Nick Clegg and David Cameron around the corner. It doesn't always follow that the Lib Dems/Liberals would support Labour. On the few times when they did (1929 and 1977) the arrangements lasted no time at all. In 2010 they went all in with the Tories and it lasted 5 years.
Also, there could just as easily be another UKIP around the corner, setting themselves up around some populist cause, taking votes away from Labour but ultimately more likely to side with the Tories.
That doesn't mean that changing the voting system is a bad thing by any means. I might well even vote for it if there is a referendum down the line, but these are reasons why Labour probably wouldn't be falling over themselves to introduce one, unless they have to. And why Sir Keir has already ruled it out.
The Monster Raving Looney Party are currently polling better than the Tories so I say Labour do have a chance...
Yes, but atvtge minute the Tory Party might as well be UKIP - all the moderates have been purged and the lunatics left behind are running the asylum.
I reckon you get more moderate Tories running independently of the party and eating into what remains of the Tory vote.
Australia runs a PR system - the right wing collation got booted out at the last election, with Labour just winning enough seats outright to form a majority government.
There was a noticeable increase in the so called “Teal Independents” - non party aligned centerist moderates.
I think it’s a good thing.
I don’t think Starmer is particularly keen on PR - but the party are.
I be also think Starmer is playing a very smart game in the way he’s managing Labour, they’re disciplined and they are openly supporting policies that would either spook the electorate or open up attack lines for the Tories.
At the minute all he has to commit to is “not what the Tories are doing” and keep his mouth shut on Brexit, Electoral reform and the Monarchy” - whilst being vague about fiscal responsibility - given the pigs arse the Tories are currently making of things.
Truss as much of a gift to Labour as Corbyn was to the Tories and she nowhere near as good as Boris of talking her way out of trouble and she’s certainly got bit of Boris opportunistic streak to go with whatever “might” make him look good.
The party may well be. But the party also want Rejoin referendum. Neither are likely to happen under a labour only govt.
If however it's a coalition. It may well be one concession that Starmer may need to make (the FPTP reforms).
Bloody hell
Rwanda is the 'Sunlit Uplands', it's known as the 'land of a thousand hills'.
It's not every day you get mugged off by a monarch...
Charles really does see himself as being part of the government apparatus.
Another Brexit bonus - removing most of the moderates and sensible people from the Tory parliamentary party, lurching to the right and letting lunatics and thicko’s into ministerial roles.
Can’t wait for the arguments over the FTA with India to kick off.
Can’t wait for the arguments over the FTA with India to kick off.
Liz being a useless shit cunt, does not make Boris any less of a useless shit cunt.
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Pahahaha.. this is unravelling very very quickly for the Tories.
The way the UK is negotiating, I don't think that is going to be an issue.
Indian trade deal in peril after Suella Braverman migrant comments
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