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Tevez (this years Barry thread?)

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Just seen a headline from the Irish Independent there, I think.

"I will quit Old Trafford"

Any updates?
 
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Errr....for the amount he'd cost I don't think he's THAT much of an improvement. I'd rather see us buy a world class left sided player.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33378.msg863136#msg863136 date=1241900673]
Errr....for the amount he'd cost I don't think he's THAT much of an improvement. I'd rather see us buy a world class left sided player.
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agreed he is one of the most over hyped players in the world, he is Kuyt with a tan and a 100% mark up in price, no thanks

for less than £16m he would be worth considering, for £25m+ he can take a walk
 
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[quote author=RedStar link=topic=33378.msg863206#msg863206 date=1241905786]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33378.msg863136#msg863136 date=1241900673]
Errr....for the amount he'd cost I don't think he's THAT much of an improvement. I'd rather see us buy a world class left sided player.
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agreed he is one of the most over hyped players in the world, he is Kuyt with a tan and a 100% mark up in price, no thanks

for less than £16m he would be worth considering, for £25m+ he can take a walk
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He's uglier than Kuyt.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33378.msg863136#msg863136 date=1241900673]
Errr....for the amount he'd cost I don't think he's THAT much of an improvement. I'd rather see us buy a world class left sided player.
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Absolutely. Tevez ain't that good, he ain't worth that much and we need a world class left player much much more than we need another striker.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33378.msg863136#msg863136 date=1241900673]
Errr....for the amount he'd cost I don't think he's THAT much of an improvement. I'd rather see us buy a world class left sided player.
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like?
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg863230#msg863230 date=1241907614]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33378.msg863136#msg863136 date=1241900673]
Errr....for the amount he'd cost I don't think he's THAT much of an improvement. I'd rather see us buy a world class left sided player.
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like?
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Henry.
 
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He is clearly a better player than Dirk, there can really be no logical argument against that. We had a similar thread last week. As Terriers thread says, and I agree with him, Dirk has been fairly average for much of the season, but fair do's has been pretty good of late.
Don't compare goals for the two, Dirk has been an ever present, Tevez has not.
Tevez is a different kettle of fish altogether, same work ethic, but brighter and better touch. Is he worth two or three times as much as Dirk? Probably not, but............ to raise the quality of the squad you have to spend disproportionately. or you end up with average. You also have to take risks, if you think it is the right player, just as we did with Keane, OK that one did not work. Personally I think Tevez and Torres would work and think it would be worth a go.
Others will disagree and that is fair enough.

regards
 
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No i'm with you Vlad, I'd love to have Tevez here, he is quality.
And that is what we need to win the title, more quality.
 
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Vlad talks sense as always, I would be genuinely excited by signing Tevez for all the reasons stated above, he seems a perfect Rafa player, works his arse off, can play anywhere in our attacking 4, likes to operate in between the lines and has genuine quality, I'm suprised Ginsoak is letting him go to be honest, I wonder if he regrets picking up the bulgar-tov?
 
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[quote author=Bob Loblaw link=topic=33378.msg863267#msg863267 date=1241911140]
Vlad talks sense as always, I would be genuinely excited by signing Tevez for all the reasons stated above, he seems a perfect Rafa player, works his arse off, can play anywhere in our attacking 4, likes to operate in between the lines and has genuine quality, I'm suprised Ginsoak is letting him go to be honest, I wonder if he regrets picking up the bulgar-tov?
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Maybe United don't have the money to buy him?
He won't cost us 32 million.
 
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I'd imagine it has to be down to money alright, other than that theres no good reason for them to let him go, I think he'll end up at either us or Real with latter being more likely
 
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Without being too hopeful. This must put us in the driving seat.................


I don't deserve to be treated this way

By JAMES WEATHERUP, 09/05/2009
AS his Manchester United team-mates danced with joy across the Emirates turf, Carlos Tevez celebrated alongside them.

But behind the smiles was anguish. Because joy for a return to the Champions League final was tempered by a sadness that this was one of the last moments of real pleasure he would share with his United brothers.

It had been coming for months. Frustrated and disappointed at the way he has been treated, Tevez now knows he has to quit.

And in a remarkable Sport of the World interview, the Argentinian pulls no punches, laying bare the facts about his two-year United tenure. His revelations will stun Old Trafford on the morning of today's Manchester derby and with United still chasing an unprecedented quadruple.

Sir Alex Ferguson last week claimed he thinks of his players as part of his own family. But Tevez feels like an outsider. Twice South American Player of the Year, a national hero in Argentina, reduced to a bit-part, an afterthought.

"Me? I have not been treated as a member of the family," he said. "I do not feel wanted. I feel bad over my situation, I do, but it's very, very difficult to stay any longer. I guess what I'm saying is goodbye.

"I don't think I will be a Manchester United player next season. I have done everything I possibly can but they have never made me an offer or given me a contract so I have to leave. I don't think I deserve to be in this position but you realise if your time is up you have to go.

FINAL FLOURISH - Alex Ferguson hugs Carlos Tevez after the 2008 Champions League victory over Chelsea

Realistically, my time is over and I think I will be at another club next season. It's very, very difficult to stay any longer, so I have to finish this season the best I can and move on.

"I still have the same hunger and I will give my all to win the last two trophies we are chasing so I can move on knowing I have done everything for the team.

"The fans treat me like family, but United have not signed me so they do not respect me as a footballer.

"It makes me feel good when Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick talk well about me but they are not the manager.I train very hard, play well and then I'm dumped. When I play I feel good, then when I don't I am upset.

"Things have changed dramatically this season. I was dropped - yet I didn't perform badly. Sir Alex never gave me an explanation but I never asked him for one because it is not in my character.

"I accepted it but maybe Sir Alex didn't feel the same way about me. Maybe he didn't have confidence in me any more."

Tevez has become frustrated this season at his lack of appearances. Despite being involved in more games than Rooney or Dimitar Berbatov, he has either started or finished on the bench an astonishing 27 times. He has been an unused substitute on 10 further occasions.

He has also been substituted 12 times in all competitions and has played the full 90 minutes in just 20 games, five of them in the Carling Cup.

He added: "I scored four goals against Blackburn in the Carling Cup but then got dropped for the next game.

"I came on and scored against Porto in the Champions League quarter-final but was dropped for the away leg. I scored two against Fulham and was dropped for the next game.

"Whether I come on and play well or whether I come on the pitch and play just OK, I know I am going to get dropped.It has a negative impact - your mentality is affected and you get demoralised."

Ferguson has had to juggle Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Berbatov and Tevez into just three forward places.

Tevez feels he has been the one who has missed out most. But he refused to be drawn into a slanging match over the £31.75million summer signing of Bulgarian striker Berbatov from Spurs. "It's not about Berbatov," he said. "People keep comparing me to Berbatov but it's not Berbatov's fault. It's just the way I've been treated I'm upset about.

"I played last season and was the second top scorer. We won the Champions League and the Premier League. I helped to achieve that success and then I was dumped for no real reason."

Tevez finished top scorer for his clubs in Argentina and Brazil, for his country at the Olympics and second for United behind Ronaldo last season.

He has still scored 13 goals this term, but explained: "I've started every game in the Carling Cup and some in the FA Cup but only a few in the League

"I'm disappointed not to get more games but it's been the choice of the coach.

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"If I run my a*** off, if I score or don't score, I know that after 60 minutes I'm going to be taken off. If I don't start I know I am only going to get 15 or 20 minutes.

"I enjoyed playing with Rooney, Ronaldo and Berbatov. They are all excellent players.

"But this season I can only recall playing with Rooney up top about five times. It's not been like last year, when we played that formation a lot."

Tevez has been a fans' favourite since joining United on a two-year loan deal two years ago.

He hoped Ferguson would agree a deal with Kia Joorabchian to sign him permanently. But discussions have never taken place.

Tevez insisted: "When I played regularly last season I scored. I did everything I could but there was never any attempt to sign me permanently. United did not take up the option at the end of the first year and up until now I've never had any discussions about my contract.

"If ever there was a time to sign me it was at the end of last year but there was no effort to sign me.

"The major concentration was to sign other players and by January there was still nothing. They signed other players but still there was no bid for me.

"United have never offered me any contract. So I guess I have to finish the season the best I can and move on. The fans have been great with me, I love them. And every time I put the shirt on I fight for the club. I have done everything I possibly can at United but circumstances are forcing me to leave.

"I also want to make it very clear that it's not about money. I have read stories claiming I've asked for £6m, £9m and £12m. But I have never asked Sir Alex or David Gill for money.

"When I sign for another club if anyone says 'It was impossible for Carlos to sign for Man United because he was asking for £8m' it is not true."

Tevez also set the record straight about his family. He said: "It's not true my family are unhappy in England. It's not true I want to leave England for Spain. My four-year-old daughter Florencia is learning English and my wife is very happy living in England.
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"We want to stay. I want to play in England because it is the best League in the world and it suits my style.

"Any club I join, whether it be Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool or Everton, will be a rival of Manchester United. I would like to thank the United fans for their support. They will always have a special place in my heart.

"If I was a United fan I wouldn't want to see their player in any other shirt but I think they will accept I've done everything I can."

Tevez's economic rights are owned by a group of investors headed by Joorabchian, who said: "There are a lot of Premier League clubs interested in Carlos but it would be unprofessional to start talking to them before the season has ended.

"There are also foreign clubs interested in him but since Carlos' preference is to stay here then that is the first place we have to look.

"We received a formal offer in January from a foreign club for a figure in excess of £40m, although out of respect for United we have not spoken to them yet.

"Carlos' final destination will be made solely on what's best for Carlos and his family."

For Tevez, the realisation that he has to walk out on United is painful. He concluded sadly: "I've given everything for United. I can leave with my head held high."
 
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33378.msg863279#msg863279 date=1241912917]
he's perfect for us, but i don't really like his manc ambience.
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I don't think he has been overly tainted yet and if he leaves them whilst having a pop at Slur Alex that will ingratiate him OK with us

regards
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg863283#msg863283 date=1241913167]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33378.msg863279#msg863279 date=1241912917]
he's perfect for us, but i don't really like his manc ambience.
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I don't think he has been overly tainted yet and if he leaves them whilst having a pop at Slur Alex that will ingratiate him OK with us

regards
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he has 'a special relationship' with the manc fans. it's all a little distasteful, for me.
 
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33378.msg863284#msg863284 date=1241913373]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg863283#msg863283 date=1241913167]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33378.msg863279#msg863279 date=1241912917]
he's perfect for us, but i don't really like his manc ambience.
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I don't think he has been overly tainted yet and if he leaves them whilst having a pop at Slur Alex that will ingratiate him OK with us

regards
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he has 'a special relationship' with the manc fans. it's all a little distasteful, for me.
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a safety net , just in case he stays

regards
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg863261#msg863261 date=1241910890]
He is clearly a better player than Dirk, there can really be no logical argument against that. We had a similar thread last week. As Terriers thread says, and I agree with him, Dirk has been fairly average for much of the season, but fair do's has been pretty good of late.
Don't compare goals for the two, Dirk has been an ever present, Tevez has not.
Tevez is a different kettle of fish altogether, same work ethic, but brighter and better touch. Is he worth two or three times as much as Dirk? Probably not, but............ to raise the quality of the squad you have to spend disproportionately. or you end up with average. You also have to take risks, if you think it is the right player, just as we did with Keane, OK that one did not work. Personally I think Tevez and Torres would work and think it would be worth a go.
Others will disagree and that is fair enough.

regards
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There's really not much difference, here are Tevez 's stats :

Matches 47 (35 + 12 subs) = 13 goals.

He'll go to Citeh.
 
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"If I was a United fan I wouldn't want to see their player in any other shirt but I think they will accept I've done everything I can."

Interesting, bs or not?
 
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only way i can see tevez joining is if we sell dirk. as it stands i'd rather not. tevez is noway worth 20 million plus and if they got an offer of 40 million then the least he will go fo is 20.

i'd rather see silva than tevez, we have enough work horse and industry, it's time we balanced it with a bit more flair. i can see silva bringing another 7 or 8 goals and 10 assists next season. whatever tevez brings wouldn't be much more (if at all) than what dirk has bought us this year.

if he stays in the premiership he'll go to city.
 
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He's only scored 3 PL goals and he's a striker thus we shouldn't compare him to our winger Kuyt, who has easily out scored him. Maybe we should compare him to Eggnogg, who has 2 PL goals?

Regards
 
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I think people's memory of Tevez as a striker being played week in week out must be short.

He is a fantastic footballer and would be a great signing for us even at the expense of Kuyt.
 
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He is not like Dirk Kuyt at all.

Entirely different type of player. There is no reason why Tevez, Torres, Kuyt and another good wing forward can't play in the same team. That really is scarry strike force. Steven Gerrard can have a field day running that team from mid field every time.
 
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[quote author=madmax link=topic=33378.msg863359#msg863359 date=1241945713]
He is not like Dirk Kuyt at all.

Entirely different type of player. There is no reason why Tevez, Torres, Kuyt and another good wing forward can't play in the same team. That really is scarry strike force. Steven Gerrard can have a field day running that team from mid field every time.
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we should be chasing players with the ability to play wide who came inside to devestating effect.
 
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