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What Andy Carroll needs to do to become a success at Liverpool

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King Binny

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Long read.

Amid the wider celebration of Liverpool’s return to the football top table over the past few weeks, a couple of significant developments have gone largely unnoticed.

As a team, as a unit, Kenny Dalglish has got his side not only competing against the top teams, but playing decent football in the process, which is a cause for that justified celebration. Liverpool are not only challenging again, they are doing it in a way synonymous with the club, and that offers real hope.

Hope too, though, comes from certain performances which, without standing out, have suggested there is more than a surface sheen to the latest Anfield ‘revolution’.

While Liverpool have clearly progressed under Dalglish, not least in their mentality, there have still been murmurs from a surprisingly large section of the fans, who have remained critical of some of the manager’s buys.

In particular, Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and, to a lesser extent, Stewart Downing have been set upon with an unseemly relish, their inconsistent starts to a new career on Merseyside used as evidence in the strident case against them.

It is certainly true that Henderson has struggled to make an impact, especially when deployed in an unfamiliar position on the right of midfield. And of course Carroll has rarely had the look of a £35million player.

But at Chelsea on Tuesday, both offered quietly encouraging performances, which suggests over the course of the next few seasons, Liverpool can sustain the progress which Dalglish has promised.

The vehemence of some of criticism against both players has surprised me. They are young men arriving with huge price tags and asked to learn a completely different style of play to that they're used to. It is bloody hard, under those circumstances, to make an instant impact.

It is not really surprising, therefore, that both have been inconsistent, and both struggled at times.
Yet both have also offered glimpses of why Dalglish invested so much money in them.

Early in the season, Henderson looked a lost soul out on the right, but a couple of times he came off the bench to play a more central role, and looked immediately more at home. He has pace and endurance, can tackle and get forward, so if he can learn to retain possession in the manner Dalglish wants, then he has a real chance as a modern central midfielder.

That much was apparent against Chelsea in midweek, and to a lesser extent against City last weekend. It will take time, and no doubt there will be more poor performances because he is still so young, but for all those who are so critical remember the experience of Lucas, who was vilified by the fans for at least two seasons.

The Brazilian somehow survived that ordeal to become central to Liverpool’s plans. Now he is out through injury for a prolonged period, Henderson has the chance to step up and show that he too can claim such a role…and he has the talent to do it.

So, clearly, does Carroll. He is naturally gifted, and has all the attributes to become one of the best strikers of his generation. But his situation at Anfield is doubly difficult, because he has a greater adjustment to make than Henderson, or any of the other new players.

Carroll arrived as a centre forward of the old school, from a team at Newcastle that was largely set up to get the best from his aerial ability and strength within the penalty area. But under Dalglish, Liverpool are never going to be a long ball side, or one that moves forward in blocks to deliver crosses for a big striker.

The reason why recent weeks at Anfield have been so encouraging is because Dalglish has rejected the counter-attacking, defensive minded mentality of the past decade, to return more closely to the traditional ideal of a Liverpool passing game based on worrying opponents more than they worry you.


Previous managers liked a big man to hit early and hold the ball up, but under Dalglish, Carroll will need to develop his game more strenuously. He must – if you’ll forgive the simplification here – be more a Didier Drogba than Kevin Davies (though I’m a big admirer of the Bolton big man).

Carroll needs to be athletic and mobile to fit into Dalglish’s system. But of course he was injured for a long period, and that takes the edge off those areas of a striker’s play. Clearly, he is still returning to the levels required, and his fondness of a pint probably doesn’t help.

He certainly has the capacity though, to become a Drogba-style striker, a powerful forward who can win the ball in the air, but show technical proficiency too, and crucially, get around the pitch athletically.

The good news is, Carroll’s performance at Chelsea hinted at a return to that style, because – don’t forget - he showed at Newcastle with some stunning technical goals he has the ability to be far more than a lumbering centre forward.

And the good news for Liverpool is, if both Henderson and Carroll develop in the manner in which Dalglish wants them to, the team will have two more classy young English performers to drive forward the progress we have witnessed at the club this season.

It is still early days of course, to turn around a club that had fallen so far in recent years will take a long time, and there will be many more setbacks this season, where fourth place is still the realistic extent of their immediate ambitions.

But the signs are there that progress can be made
, that Liverpool in the next few years can once again compete with the top clubs, and who knows, can genuinely challenge one day once more for the title.
 
cutting that pony tail would be a step in the right direction. if you can't be effective you can at least look good.
 
It always amazes me how under rated Drogba is by some people, he has been one of the best forwards in the world for at least half a decade, he is a rare type of centre forward who can combine pure physical elements such as his strength and power with subtle skill and speed.

Carrolls form will surely improve at some point in his career but he will never be anything more than a battering ram, he hasnt got anything like the versatility or technique of Drogba. If he works his socks of and takes onboard what his coaches are telling him (and thats a big if) he could be a decent option for holding up the ball and getting a few goals over the course of a season but he will never be a 30 goal a season striker its time to recognise that and move on, all the coaching and haircuts in the world will not change that.

To compete at the top level we need to score alot more goals than we are currently doing, I really dont think Carroll is the solution to that problem, we need a finisher, and he is not it
 
Drogba was already 27 when he went to Chelsea, at 22 Andy has time to improve, if he wants it enough he can still do it.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47756.msg1437120#msg1437120 date=1322883123]
Who underrates Drogba?
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Anybody who campares him to Andy Carroll
 
I'd be more positive if Andy Carroll could actually play as a battering ram. Thus far in a Liverpool shirt I've not seen a great deal of evidence of him being able to hold the ball to the standard of Suarez or Torres (at his best, he was very good at this) let alone Drogba. He gets outmuscled far too easily.

He is good in the air, at least when he's in the oppositions penalty area but that aside, I keep having to ask myself - what is he actually good at?

I'm not sure.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=47756.msg1437152#msg1437152 date=1322903192]
I'd be more positive if Andy Carroll could actually play as a battering ram. Thus far in a Liverpool shirt I've not seen a great deal of evidence of him being able to hold the ball to the standard of Suarez or Torres (at his best, he was very good at this) let alone Drogba. He gets outmuscled far too easily.

He is good in the air, at least when he's in the oppositions penalty area but that aside, I keep having to ask myself - what is he actually good at?

I'm not sure.
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Hitting the ball really hard.
 
Yeah, that's all he's good at. Fuck me, i'm disappointed with andy so far, but some of you are fucking unreal in your criticism of him. There's a lot more to come, and he's a much better player than he's given credit for. Whether he's the right player to suit how we play or whether he'll ever justify that price tag is a different debate, but some of our fans need to grow up and stop writing him off so soon.
 
There's a great player in there somewhere. Andy has scored some beautiful goals. However, for such a big lad, he gets shrugged off the ball far too easily.

He needs to bulk up, get fitter, and put in the hours working at his game or else he'll be nothing but a bit part player at our club.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=47756.msg1437177#msg1437177 date=1322908229]
There's a great player in there somewhere. Andy has scored some beautiful goals. However, for such a big lad, he gets shrugged off the ball far too easily.

He needs to bulk up, get fitter, and put in the hours working at his game or else he'll be nothing but a bit part player at our club.
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Well said. Whichever fitness coach has been working with Charlie Adam need's to get a grip of Andy Carroll. According to his profile on the official website he weighs just shy of 12 stone, another says he weighs 12 and a half stone. He's still underweight, in terms of being a professional athlete/footballer and needs to be eating a couple of roast chickens for his breakfast and getting on the protein shakes.
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=47756.msg1437177#msg1437177 date=1322908229]
There's a great player in there somewhere. Andy has scored some beautiful goals. However, for such a big lad, he gets shrugged off the ball far too easily.

He needs to bulk up, get fitter, and put in the hours working at his game or else he'll be nothing but a bit part player at our club.
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Well said. Whichever fitness coach has been working with Charlie Adam need's to get a grip of Andy Carroll. According to his profile on the official website he weighs just shy of 12 stone, another says he weighs 12 and a half stone. He's still underweight, in terms of being a professional athlete/footballer and needs to be eating a couple of roast chickens for his breakfast and getting on the protein shakes.
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Thats what Chalie Adam was doing before the fitness coaches stopped him!
 
[quote author=slash link=topic=47756.msg1437199#msg1437199 date=1322911202]
my first post 8)
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It was a very good one slash ....
 
[quote author=slash link=topic=47756.msg1437199#msg1437199 date=1322911202]
my first post 8)
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Well, it does what it says on the tin.

Welcome to the site. Got any opinion on this carroll debate?
 
Apart from advocating Carroll's need to get down to Holland & Barrett's, like a few other players he's suffering from lack of confidence and probably just needs a goal or two to go in off his knee or his arse. But it's a catch 22 because he can only get goals if he gets a run of games.
 
[quote author=slash link=topic=47756.msg1437199#msg1437199 date=1322911202]
my first post 8)
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Welcome Slash, there's room for improvement :laugh:
 
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47756.msg1437120#msg1437120 date=1322883123]
Who underrates Drogba?
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Anybody who campares him to Andy Carroll
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They've both got shit hair.
 
Well he needs to play games for a start.
Then he needs to try work himself into a little bit of form, a goal would do this nicely!
If he can build his confidence back to what it once was, perhaps we can have a premier league quality striker on our hands.
 
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=47756.msg1437135#msg1437135 date=1322896231]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47756.msg1437120#msg1437120 date=1322883123]
Who underrates Drogba?
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Anybody who campares him to Andy Carroll
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I think people compare him to Andy Carroll, and I have done this, based on his build and his potential. Not because of anything he's done so far.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=47756.msg1437216#msg1437216 date=1322913412]
[quote author=slash link=topic=47756.msg1437199#msg1437199 date=1322911202]
my first post 8)
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Welcome Slash, there's room for improvement :laugh:
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Hahaha, yes , welcome slash, good tactic....Keep expectation levels low and then build up 😉

regards
 
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[quote author=RedStar link=topic=47756.msg1437135#msg1437135 date=1322896231]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47756.msg1437120#msg1437120 date=1322883123]
Who underrates Drogba?
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Anybody who campares him to Andy Carroll
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I think people compare him to Andy Carroll, and I have done this, based on his build and his potential. Not because of anything he's done so far.
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I know what you mean but its more the case that people want him to play like Drogba, not that he actually does. Drogba might be a complete twat but he was a fantastic centre forward at the peak of his powers, Carroll doesnt seem to have anything in common with him other than height, even his build is something of a red herring as Carroll rarely muscles anybody of the ball, Ive certainly never seen him give centre halves the sort of physical battering Drogba does.

as has been mentioned Carroll needs to do a couple of basic things before we can take him seriously, the first is to adjust his attitude and realise he is wasting the greatest opportunity of his life, the second is to realise his own limitations as a player and make a concerted effort to improve in certain areas. He will never be another Messi but he could become a good target man if he fills out becomes more aggressive and learns to hold the ball up and link play better
 
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=47756.msg1437542#msg1437542 date=1322958510]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47756.msg1437336#msg1437336 date=1322923251]
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=47756.msg1437135#msg1437135 date=1322896231]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47756.msg1437120#msg1437120 date=1322883123]
Who underrates Drogba?
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Anybody who campares him to Andy Carroll
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I think people compare him to Andy Carroll, and I have done this, based on his build and his potential. Not because of anything he's done so far.
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I know what you mean but its more the case that people want him to play like Drogba, not that he actually does. Drogba might be a complete twat but he was a fantastic centre forward at the peak of his powers, Carroll doesnt seem to have anything in common with him other than height, even his build is something of a red herring as Carroll rarely muscles anybody of the ball, Ive certainly never seen him give centre halves the sort of physical battering Drogba does.

as has been mentioned Carroll needs to do a couple of basic things before we can take him seriously, the first is to adjust his attitude and realise he is wasting the greatest opportunity of his life, the second is to realise his own limitations as a player and make a concerted effort to improve in certain areas. He will never be another Messi but he could become a good target man if he fills out becomes more aggressive and learns to hold the ball up and link play better
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Yeah good post, and I agree with pretty much all of it.

I will disagree with you on one small point, though. In his time at Newcastle he did show he was capable of bullying defenders and whole defences on his own. But, yeah, we haven't seen any of that at Liverpool. And if we have, it's been in very small flashes that are few and far between.
 
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