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Winter transfers

Morton plays for Lyon, one of the top teams in France. Not everyone ends up at the top four in the premier league. Very few.
I did name check him specifically as he'd done well. He's an outlier rather than the norm
 
I do think Chelsea system isn't designed to promote to themselves, but definitely get people in the shop window a hell of a lot more than ours.
 
Thats why I don't understand it regarding young players. The dream should be to make it at the top club that signs you, not to be sold somewhere after a few years. Much better for long term development.
 
Chelsea plays their young players a lot, even if they have no long term future at the club. Chalobah, Guehi, Conor Gallagher, Maatsen, Omari Hutchinson Lewis Hall, Tino Livramento. Olise. Acheampong will eventually be a star somewhere too. They get placed in the shop window, then off to live their dreams.

Ours get exiled on loan to Blackburn or Villa while Slot struggles to remember their names
 
Thats why I don't understand it regarding young players. The dream should be to make it at the top club that signs you, not to be sold somewhere after a few years. Much better for long term development.

It makes sense. They can still make it at a top club, and if they don't they're still paid well at Chelsea. Look at Nathan Ake. Consistent PL performer and now has leagues under his belt. Guehi, now moving to city after nearly moving to the league champions. Gallagher, living the dream on the continent. Hudson odoi, tomori, Abraham, loftua-cheek, Ola Aina, livramento, Lewis hall, solanke all now established names in or around the PL. Who have we got representing our academy? Harry Wilson? Neco williams?

Genuinely who else have we got from our academy who has made any impact outside of us? Trent struggling at Madrid.

We hold on to players too long and stifle their development unless they're elite/seen as exceptional.

We need more of a revolving door to try and make sure the elite players get the minutes

I appreciate we've got a smaller pool of local talent, but tbh we need to maximise the talent profile we bring in and make sure they get first xi minutes. We're in a striker crisis yet we're not even considering Figueroa for a bench option. I appreciate we're struggling but (usually) it's injuries that enable to youth players to come on and prove their worth. At the moment we are not doing that.

If they fail they fail but you need to give them a chance to fail. Some players excel under the lights.
 
Chelsea plays their young players a lot, even if they have no long term future at the club. Chalobah, Guehi, Conor Gallagher, Maatsen, Omari Hutchinson Lewis Hall, Tino Livramento. Olise. Acheampong will eventually be a star somewhere too. They get placed in the shop window, then off to live their dreams.

Ours get exiled on loan to Blackburn or Villa while Slot struggles to remember their names
Chelsea have a great youth academy at Cobham, but them being located in London seem to make them the favored destination for a lot of talented players.

Most of them didnt play many or even any games for Chelsea though, and in all honesty its only Chalobah and Gallagher that were used over time. For instance, Olise left at 14 years old and Guehi played 2 league cup games.
Livramento, Hall and Hutchinson played 14 games altogether for Chelsea.
In general these talents are wasted and then sold to other clubs for a decent fee.

Acheampong is one we should be after. Looks like they havent got a plan for him. As usual.
 
It makes sense. They can still make it at a top club, and if they don't they're still paid well at Chelsea. Look at Nathan Ake. Consistent PL performer and now has leagues under his belt. Guehi, now moving to city after nearly moving to the league champions. Gallagher, living the dream on the continent. Hudson odoi, tomori, Abraham, loftua-cheek, Ola Aina, livramento, Lewis hall, solanke all now established names in or around the PL. Who have we got representing our academy? Harry Wilson? Neco williams?

Genuinely who else have we got from our academy who has made any impact outside of us? Trent struggling at Madrid.

We hold on to players too long and stifle their development unless they're elite/seen as exceptional.

We need more of a revolving door to try and make sure the elite players get the minutes

I appreciate we've got a smaller pool of local talent, but tbh we need to maximise the talent profile we bring in and make sure they get first xi minutes. We're in a striker crisis yet we're not even considering Figueroa for a bench option. I appreciate we're struggling but (usually) it's injuries that enable to youth players to come on and prove their worth. At the moment we are not doing that.

If they fail they fail but you need to give them a chance to fail. Some players excel under the lights.

As said in the post above. 90% of the talent is sold early and to other clubs were they eventually make it.
In general I just think the pool of talent is much greater in their area.
 
And being on loan at Blackburn isnt something to be used as a bad thing. Morton and Elliott both had great loans there which helped their careers. The Villa deal is more down to them than us as well.

If you look through the loan deals that the 189 players on the books for Chelsea are on, you'd laugh.
 
Chelsea plays their young players a lot, even if they have no long term future at the club. Chalobah, Guehi, Conor Gallagher, Maatsen, Omari Hutchinson Lewis Hall, Tino Livramento. Olise. Acheampong will eventually be a star somewhere too. They get placed in the shop window, then off to live their dreams.

Ours get exiled on loan to Blackburn or Villa while Slot struggles to remember their names

Nothing much to lose really.

"According to figures taken from Transfermarkt, the total accumulated fees for Chelsea academy players now owned by a different Premier League side or a club operating in a top European league is a staggering £931.5m.

Should Abraham return to the Premier League, then there will be 18 former Chelsea academy players owned by their top-flight rivals. There are a further six owned by clubs in Serie A, the Bundesliga and Ligue 1.


The £931.5m in accumulated fees for Chelsea academy products does not include Tyler Dibling, who joined Everton for £35m from Southampton. He only spent a few months at Chelsea’s academy before returning to Southampton."

 
Translated abstract:

André has a contract with the English team until June 2029. Wolverhampton does not intend to loan the midfielder and is counting on his call-up for the World Cup to further increase his market value. In England, Liverpool has already shown interest in the player and continues to monitor André's statistics.

Regardless of Wolverhampton's relegation, Liverpool intends to make an official offer for the player. It is expected that Wolves will not accept negotiating André for less than 30 million euros.


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We fucking HAVE to be. He's a good player as is, and he's only a kid.

But we don't make these moves. We wait for them to excel at mid table teams and then spunk 3x the amount on them
Yeah but how many actually make it? We're probably better off paying x3 than gambling on every possibility.
 
Yeah but how many actually make it? We're probably better off paying x3 than gambling on every possibility.

But it doesn't help us. We need depth and development pathways are the most effective way of having depth.

If we spent 20m on him to be a rounded backup, with a chance to be elite, then I'd be happy to, rather than spending 80m in 3 years, which would still be a risk
 
We do buy a lot of youths don't we? Just we focus on 15-17 year olds.
Which have less of a chance of making it. It's less outlay for less chance of success as it's not depth.

We seem to be averse for buying for depth. It's either fodder for the u21s or overpay.
 
Yeah, lower chance of success, but lower price too, and often decent payback if they're not quite there. And then our other target is those on the cusp at around 23 years old. I can see the logic in it, especially with a limit to funds.
 
Yeah, lower chance of success, but lower price too, and often decent payback if they're not quite there. And then our other target is those on the cusp at around 23 years old. I can see the logic in it, especially with a limit to funds.
I don't think our target recently is 23 on the cusp. It's established by that point but just about to move to the highest level. Last summer Ekitike hit that profile (still 80m) and wirtz (120m but clearly established).

Leoni is the type of transfer we should be doing more of. Potentially brilliant but already had a good amount of games at a high level
 
On the cusp of greatness(or being very good) rather than the cusp of making it, and not coming directly from the top, top, clubs. I haven't checked ages, but the like of Ekitike, Wirtz, Salah, Mane, Allison, Virg, Allison, even Robertson, Kerkez, Frimpong etc, Maybe not quite the right phrase.

I wouldn't mind more Leoni's, but 26m for him is a lot for his age, especially when he's played less about 17 top division in Italy, it's just a different kind of risk. He feels like the player we'd sell at that age rather than buy.
 
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