Worst start to a season for 100 years ?
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I think the fact that people arent up in arms about it twofold. Firstly what difference would it make? extra pressure isnt needed and we will just end up looking like we are in a bigger crisis than we probably already are, for what? Yet again a new manager. new owners? nah.... secondly we have played 2 very good teams and two tricky away matches, yeah its obvious we need a win badly but we have shown some signs of being able to get one. I dont think that the owners are stupid enough to think that weve invested enough to challenge the top 4.... god knows what they are thinking to be honest but....
panicking just wont help.
personally i think weve had 2 poor performances and two reasonable ones. I have not had the pleasure of seeing any euro games but i heard we played like Brazil 70.
Get behind the team and see what happens....
you never know it would perverse enough of the football gods for us to give United a hiding and then go on a run...
panicking just wont help.
personally i think weve had 2 poor performances and two reasonable ones. I have not had the pleasure of seeing any euro games but i heard we played like Brazil 70.
Get behind the team and see what happens....
you never know it would perverse enough of the football gods for us to give United a hiding and then go on a run...
We were ALWAYS going to start the season slowly - new manager, new players, new system, all needing time to bed in, even without the fiasco of not signing a striker. That's no reason not to work on the deficiencies but it very definitely is a reason not to panic about them.
As I agree we must watch out that it is not a pillow to perform sloppy. It is not ok to give away goals even if we are to be patience. it is not ok to not burry clear sitters just because we are working on a new system. Now we need the players to stand up and be counted. If we don't get this thing going we will face a much bigger setback than neccessary.
I wouldn't disagree with that, but I don't think we have to get there tomorrow. If we go past the January window and there's no sign of improvement I'll start to worry a bit, but not unless or until.
I am not particullary worried either. just more irritated that we allow ourselves to give away uneccesary goals. And it seem that we accept it since we keep on doing it time and time again!
Agree with Insig.
The idea is good but it's just a shame we're letting in stupid goals in the process.
Doesn't help in terms of getting the confidence level up for the players.
The idea is good but it's just a shame we're letting in stupid goals in the process.
Doesn't help in terms of getting the confidence level up for the players.
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I said before the season started we wouldn't have a win for the first 5 games and I still think that will be the case.
Having said that I still think we will get top 4 by seasons end. We have had a horrid opening set of fixtures.
We are playing some good football and at least you can see us move in the right direction.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if we get top 4, but it's not impossible and I do agree we're going in the right direction.
I would be extremely surprised if we even got near top 4. I actually exepcted us to start weakly. But more because I can't see what "right" direction we are heading in.
Last season our defence at times looked rock solid, well helped by a hard working midfield. This season we look like conceding whenever the opposition is near our box.
Last season we showed that we could keep the ball and put the opposition under pressure. this season we show that we can keep the ball, but are struggling to put pressure on the opposition.
Last season we created more chances than the opposition and were denied by poor finishing, woodwork, poor penalties and other set pieces. This season we struggle to create clear cut chances.
Last season we were abel to adjust the game to Carroll coming on. This season we don't have a plan B, and no potential matchwinners on the bench.
Yes we are on the right direction if the aim is to cut costs, which is good, and enter a whole lot of youngster who potentially could be brilliant in the future. However it does not match with ambitions to increase income through qualifying for CL and neither does it match with "having resources to compete with anyone". It is a potential gamechanger 3-5 years down the line. But what will football look like 3-5 years down the line. Will we see new powerhouses in football starting to pick our best youngster i.e.? We don't have a clear direction matching our ambitions at the moment, and that is not in my humble opinion not heading in the right direction.... But by all means, i have been wrong once before.
the negative view very well expressed and i can definitely agree with a lot of that HOWEVER...
The ball is round and its a game of two halves, sitting around waiting for the worst wont make it any more palatable, while it is still in the realms of possibility that we do well then im going to keep hoping that that is exactly what happens other teams have problems too and they might not be so obvious right now... a win will come and if we hold our nerve we might get another then another.
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My point is not to be too negative. it is more a fear that we are relying on a system which doesn't guarantee us anything else than it takes time to implement it. And it is already creating excuses for sloppy performances. I don't accept a mid table position while waiting for a system to work. We must perform on a higher level than we do. We have a squad filled of internationals, even a few international captains. We can't accept excuses like Borini is the only guy who really know the system etc. When creating excuses we allow ourselves to perform badly and there is no point in doing that. By putting in that extra 2% we could have turned the margin our way. I am aware that the self confidence is low etc, but feeling sorry for yourself while waiting for a system to automatically bring you results when it settles in a not known future sounds a little creepy to me. I just can't see a clear direction which we are supposed to head in.
Without an Abramovich-style cash injection, which was never going to happen, neither we nor any other club can make overnight progress. For a club in our situation 3-5 years down the line is exactly what we *should* be aiming for, because there's no realistic alternative. Nobody knows exactly what football will look like by then, but decisions have to be taken now. As far as I can see, the owners have decided to put the club on a sound financial footing and the manager has decided to play the kind of attacking football which, in the end, is what wins trophies. IMO both those decisions represent the right way to go and I'm willing to give us time to get there.
I totally understand what you are saying but what does that actually mean for us as fans? that we dont accept shitty performances and give the owners/managers/players a free ride free of criticism? Well that's not the nature of the sport nor the nature of LFC fandom. I dont think anyone is creating excuses at all, at least i'm not making them! I just don't think it is a black and white as simply throwing as much money at it till we get into the promised land, we cant and we wont so what do we do? Give up and start bitching about it and throwing brickbats at team and those running the show? insisting on victory?
Well fuck a duck.... if it would make a difference thats exactly what i will do! I insist we win this weekend!!
I take your point that we dont want to allow settling in to be a gold plated excuse for anyone at the club but i am sure that the best we can do as fans is enjoy it and get behind them without worrying ourselves to an early grave.
ps i really do insist we win this weekend.
Well fuck a duck.... if it would make a difference thats exactly what i will do! I insist we win this weekend!!
I take your point that we dont want to allow settling in to be a gold plated excuse for anyone at the club but i am sure that the best we can do as fans is enjoy it and get behind them without worrying ourselves to an early grave.
ps i really do insist we win this weekend.
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Yes it feels fucking horrible being a Liverpool fan at the moment. Cunt owners drag us to the brink meanwhile we sack managers one after another after another, frittering away vast sums on utter shite like spunking all your cash on a busted flush in poker.... then "undying" having to sit in on the next hands the while other players toss their chips around not caring....It fucking sucks being out of the game and thats exactly how it feels, we arent even fucking playing. We are a lauging stock and a shadow of former glory in wretched counterpoint even to fairly recent history....
BUT because theoretically we are still at the table... you never know.... one of our scouts might have seen the next Stevie G this very morning scampering around a park somewhere and maybe FSG's find a few more dollars rolled up in a sock and a disgruntled superstar to be sneaks under his own teams radar and jumps ship to us in January.... you never know.... its the turn of a card.
Yes it feels fucking horrible being a Liverpool fan at the moment. Cunt owners drag us to the brink meanwhile we sack managers one after another after another, frittering away vast sums on utter shite like spunking all your cash on a busted flush in poker.... then "undying" having to sit in on the next hands the while other players toss their chips around not caring....It fucking sucks being out of the game and thats exactly how it feels, we arent even fucking playing. We are a lauging stock and a shadow of former glory in wretched counterpoint even to fairly recent history....
BUT because theoretically we are still at the table... you never know.... one of our scouts might have seen the next Stevie G this very morning scampering around a park somewhere and maybe FSG's find a few more dollars rolled up in a sock and a disgruntled superstar to be sneaks under his own teams radar and jumps ship to us in January.... you never know.... its the turn of a card.
Hello, I'm Alex Raisbeck, back from the dead to warn you that, as far as I can see, this is the shittiest start to the season since 1903/04, and that was the shittiest season I ever had the misfortune to endure. Please, please, please: learn from history! I can't believe how football has changed for the worse since I was around. The shorts are terrible. I used to hate having to struggle around wearing big, baggy shorts. I remember we all used to sit around and say, "In the future, they'll realise that trousers are trousers and shorts are shorts, and they'll stop making us look like idiots by sending us out looking like we've mixed up trousers with shorts and added a couple of whippets down there for good measure!" So imagine my surprise now when I see the same mistakes being made all over again. And then there's boots. If I wanted carpet slippers for a kickabout I'd bring those tartan ones the missus got me for my 23rd birthday. You can't kick a ball with slippers. What is WRONG with you people? And then there's this boy Downing. What the heck is he doing on a football pitch?? Nothing makes sense any more. But at the moment you have a goalkeeper who appears to be blind, a right back playing on the left, someone from infants' school running around in the middle, another one on the right wing and a big-toothed escapee from the circus falling over all the time in the area where a centre forward should be. Please sort it out before the Premier League completes its attempt to erase history previous to 1992. I know that would actually suit you at the moment, because it would suddenly mean that this is only your worst start to a season since, er, 1992, but think of the bigger picture. I'm already fading quickly...Yesil...fading very quickly...play Yesil...fading...
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we all have differing ones, but anyone who thinks we'll finish top four this season needs their head examined.
There is absolutely no guarantee that any style will win you any trophies. As for this style winning trophies, I can only see Barcelona playing it to the max and actually winning trophies the last few decades. And let us not underestimate that they have had players winning all the MVP awards there is over the last 4 years, including a Messi which gives them alone more than a goal in average per game. They have matchwinners winning them trophies. We don't.
Chelsea got a point scoring record under Maureen playing bolton-esque anti football, but really effectively. They just won the CL doing it last year.
I'd much prefer to see us win with style, but I wouldn't have minded winning the league with some good old Rafadyce hoofball either.
I'd much prefer to see us win with style, but I wouldn't have minded winning the league with some good old Rafadyce hoofball either.
The teams which have won trophies consistently over the years - including us in our glory days - have ALL played attacking football. Not everybody can be a Barcelona, but so what? To get back to the top, and particularly to stay there, we have to aim high.
I am all for aiming high. But I have just not got what we are aiming at at the moment. I hope to god it is not to have cheap youngsters outplaying the world with tixi taxa, cause that is the kind of high you'll only get in Amsterdam!!!
Milan under Capello, Roma under Capello, Madrid under Capello....
There's a great thing that we haven't discussed: We aren't in the CL, we are not challenging for the PL, and we're not in London, so many players we want to sign, will go elsewhere. HOWEVER: Playing Sexy football, will attract a few players we might not have otherwise signed.
I like this Philosophy. It will lead to more Sahin's and other players, that are idealistic about their football.
I like this Philosophy. It will lead to more Sahin's and other players, that are idealistic about their football.
I prefer winning football
Insignificance and Woland in particular: you've missed the word "consistently". Nor are those examples that convincing in themselves. The Arse under Graham didn't come close to what we had achieved; neither they nor Mourinho's Chavs got anywhere much in Europe; Mourinho's Chavs had moved on to a more attacking style even by the time he left; success at Roma didn't last; success at Milan and Real stuttered after Capello left, and Real in particular had to get back to their attacking roots to get going again. Of course there are no guarantees in football, but if you play the percentages you'll go for an attacking style every time.
We have to do it differently. Liverpool Under Evans (Sexy but nothing won), Houllier (winning at a particular level), Benitez (winning, effective and occasionally attacking, but infrequently) Roy (Need we say) and Kenny (Passing, but ineffective due to woodwork). We've been trying to do it, by just winning for about 13years now.
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