Brendan Rodgers
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Try posting when we win, oh.
We were shite, but we all know youre an agenda driven prick who turns up to put the boot in, so do one.
We got humped by Madrid because in only Rodgers' second season we closed a gap that should have taken at least three to close. We're paying a heavy price now for the giant and evidently unsustainable leap forward we took last season. So if you want to blame Rodgers for our current predicament, you really have to start with the progress we've made. The guy has turned us around in no time before, I think he deserves the opportunity to try to do so again.
I've made that clear before so yeah.
Yup ... It's tough to be patient though eh? We had such a magical run last year, and with that higher expectations ... I think he's done a wonderful job overall, and I am going to stand by him even though I have my doubts (Goalie, defense) ... I still like what he's trying to assemble, even if it's just not coming off right now.
Once you've made an opinion on a player, do you stick to it? Regardless of any subsequent evidence that maybe to the contrary?
This has to go down as one of the best first post ever!!!, Welcome to the site..
That being said.. im not overly impressed with his signings so far..
Only really Lallana has has caught my eye.. But like you say these things take time
I think the answer to this is "yes".
I honestly have no idea what the start of your post means. Maybe I've mis read the opening post but, for me, when an opening post to a thread uses Johnson being picked as a reason to be critical of Rodgers, a response to that post may well include a reference to this point.
As for the reference to a manager picking him perhaps not being a good reference - that's the whole point. Every poster has an opinion - the ones who are so self-obsessed that they can't conceive of the reality where their opinion is not fact are just absurd. Johnson has been the subject of criticism for posters repeatedly over the last 5 years yet four successive managers agreed he should be in the starting team consistently. I know plenty of posters, like Fabio, think these are the flaws which prove their own genius but the reality is somewhat starkly different.
Focusing on Johnson's continued presence in the team as a problem with Rodgers is like thinking that Mario was one of the major problems against Madrid.
Johnson makes mistakes for sure but he's not the reason our defense is an ongoing issue. The consistent factor in that leaky defense is the keeper and, while I'm highly impressed with his shot-stopping ability, he's a liability when the ball comes into the area more than six inches off the ground.
Still, posters will continue on with their dream like status where they've got the answers and everyone else needs to fall into line. I just can't be bothered letting their hot air filled ego's continue to float by without giving it a puncture which they, undoubtedly, will never comprehend.
I'd agree with alot of that, but I do think Mario was a big issue last night, the difference between him and Lallana was night and day, Mario stood there for the third goal, with a yard of space to constrict, which would have prevented the ball being played in, instead he stood off, the ball was played and the rest was history.
I agree that the crux of our defensive woes isn't Mario, or solely Johnson, but I do think he's symtomatic of our downturn in quality since the days of Arbeloa, etc, we started conceding alot more heavily when one left and the other arrived and I don't think we've had a cohesive, tight defense since. Perhaps you could say that's part and parcel of opening up as an attacking team, perhaps that's why Madrid were more effective than us last night, because they attacked in numbers but put 7-8 men behind the ball as soon as they lost it, with the likes of Arbeloa tucking in and compacting the space.
Like you say though, picking at Johnson right now is ignoring the bigger problems, just don't let it gloss over the fact that by and large, he hasn't been that great or consistent and that's where the genuine, warranted criticism stems from.
Do bears sh!t in the woods?
Well yeah, cf his continual insistance on picking a pet hate for someone who plays in a position that's in direct competition with one of his favourites. It's pathetic. He used to lay into Skrtel constantly when he replaced Agger in the side, now it's Sakho/Lovren, then it's Lallana who's apparently threatening Coutinho, etc. He's a fucking joke mate.
Joe Allen Swansea City £15,000,000 10 August 2012
Oussama Assaidi Heerenveen £3,000,000 17 August 2012
Samed Yesil Bayer Leverkusen £1,000,000 30 August 2012
Daniel Sturridge Chelsea £12,000,000 2 January 2013
Philippe Coutinho Inter Milan £8,500,000 30 January 2013
João Carlos Teixeira Sporting Lisbon £830,000 31 January 2013
Kolo Touré Free Transfer Free 2 July 2013
Tiago Ilori Sporting Lisbon £7,000,000 2 September 2013
Adam Lallana Southampton £25,000,000 * 1 July 2014
Emre Can Bayer Leverkusen £9,750,000 3 July 2014
Lazar Markovic Benfica £19,800,000 15 July 2014
Dejan Lovren Southampton £20,000,000 * 27 July 2014
Divick Origi Lille £9,800,000 * 29 July 2014
Javier Manquillo Atletico Madrid On Loan 6 August 2014
Alberto Moreno Sevilla £12,000,000 * 16 August 2014
Out of the ones quoted, I'd say all of the above are either a success of the jury is still out, so it's not really a case of us being able to comment (people like Yesil, Teixeia, Ilori - and of course, the new signings).
Şahin, Moses and Cissokho were loans, Toure was a free and did a job earlier last season. Lallana looks a player, Assaidi has looked good for other clubs and will be a sell on asset, Can and Markovic are two touted young European talents (personally I like Can, not impressed with Markovic yet).
Origi is a huge prospect, Moreno and Manquillo have been pretty good so far, and we know all about Coutinho and Sturridge. I think it's early days with Lovren (Sakho too arguably, as the defense has looked disorganised, it's difficult to see if it's the players or system). .
Mario, Borini, Mignolet, Lambert and the three loan signings look woefully short, you can add Aspas to that and maybe Alberto too, so he's made mistakes, not many managers haven't (Keane, Aquilani, Dossena, Degan, Nunez, Josemi, Pellegrino, Morientes, Zenden, Carson, N'Gog, Jovanovic, etc).
Oussama Assaidi Heerenveen £3,000,000 17 August 2012
Samed Yesil Bayer Leverkusen £1,000,000 30 August 2012
Daniel Sturridge Chelsea £12,000,000 2 January 2013
Philippe Coutinho Inter Milan £8,500,000 30 January 2013
João Carlos Teixeira Sporting Lisbon £830,000 31 January 2013
Kolo Touré Free Transfer Free 2 July 2013
Tiago Ilori Sporting Lisbon £7,000,000 2 September 2013
Adam Lallana Southampton £25,000,000 * 1 July 2014
Emre Can Bayer Leverkusen £9,750,000 3 July 2014
Lazar Markovic Benfica £19,800,000 15 July 2014
Dejan Lovren Southampton £20,000,000 * 27 July 2014
Divick Origi Lille £9,800,000 * 29 July 2014
Javier Manquillo Atletico Madrid On Loan 6 August 2014
Alberto Moreno Sevilla £12,000,000 * 16 August 2014
Out of the ones quoted, I'd say all of the above are either a success of the jury is still out, so it's not really a case of us being able to comment (people like Yesil, Teixeia, Ilori - and of course, the new signings).
Şahin, Moses and Cissokho were loans, Toure was a free and did a job earlier last season. Lallana looks a player, Assaidi has looked good for other clubs and will be a sell on asset, Can and Markovic are two touted young European talents (personally I like Can, not impressed with Markovic yet).
Origi is a huge prospect, Moreno and Manquillo have been pretty good so far, and we know all about Coutinho and Sturridge. I think it's early days with Lovren (Sakho too arguably, as the defense has looked disorganised, it's difficult to see if it's the players or system). .
Mario, Borini, Mignolet, Lambert and the three loan signings look woefully short, you can add Aspas to that and maybe Alberto too, so he's made mistakes, not many managers haven't (Keane, Aquilani, Dossena, Degan, Nunez, Josemi, Pellegrino, Morientes, Zenden, Carson, N'Gog, Jovanovic, etc).
Why's it always Rafa's bad signings that get cited and never Houllier's or Kenny's? Even now there seems to be a weird bitterness towards him.
It's cos he was such a snide prick
I think you've got a history of this. Across more than one forum.
Anyway, what does a £25m player look like? If you like Lallana as a player, the transfer fee is irrelevant, surely.
Lallana's a good player. He brings something to the team. Whether he was £15m or £25m is neither here nor there. Better players have gone for less. Lesser players have gone for more. There is no such thing as a 'x' million pound player. It's not an exact science.
No he wasn't.
I wasn't being bitter, but seeing as the two main posters involved spent last night glowing about Rafa, I thought it was the most apt example. They all make mistakes, Fergie, everyone. It's nothing exclusive, some do it more and less than others, but they all do it.
*shrugs*
He didn't, though, and he never would.
He didn't cost £25m either, but soft arse picks out the biggest quoted fee.
You mean he's not an £80m player? How can you know? Surely it's not an exact science?
You mean he's not an £80m player? How can you know? Surely it's not an exact science?
Fair enough.
But I will leave you to it rather than waste my time.
Yeah. But even if he did cost £25m, I don't get the issue. £10m, £15m or £25m. He'll be a good player and will improve us.
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