More pace for next season?
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I don't think its much of a mystery really, football is an athletic endeavour so athletic qualities such as speed and strength are therefore good things to have.
Awful long debate for that eh....
Awful long debate for that eh....
That's some "top tier" defenders you have there.
Now who is missing the point. They are not the very top tier who before Messi most would say the top tier was Pele and Maradonna only then 1 step down to the likes of who you mentioned.
Is it that hard to see?
Congrats on the marriage btw.
I was talking about the best of the best, the no 1 top tier.
The rest while superb will never match up to Maradonna and Pele or Messi and probably soon C Ronaldo.
You've made an art-form out of being wrong.
So diagree that Pele, Maradonna and Messi are on their own level?
Fair enough and here was me thinking until recently the debate of who the greatest of all time were was between Pele and Mardonna until Messi starting consistently doing what he has done.
Ignoring the inconsistent ramblings, it's worth pointing out that Pele, Maradona and Messi aren't overly quick. Certainly not the former 2. Sure all can move with the ball, but that's got nothing to do with pace.
True, but they had / have that all important burst of acceleration over 10-20 yards.
I'm intrigued to see how Messi does when he loses that. It feels like he's already cut back on trying to beat 5 players on a single run towards goal these days... he's definitely got the creativity and passing ability to play a slightly more withdrawn role that doesn't rely so much on pace plus even if you take everything lse away he's still an amazing finisher / fox in the box.
Be interesting.
I'm intrigued to see how Messi does when he loses that. It feels like he's already cut back on trying to beat 5 players on a single run towards goal these days... he's definitely got the creativity and passing ability to play a slightly more withdrawn role that doesn't rely so much on pace plus even if you take everything lse away he's still an amazing finisher / fox in the box.
Be interesting.
I can't believe cruyff is getting fobbed off as not being a top tier player
World cups cloud everything
Also, is it worth pointing out (as I have recently), that because less importance was placed on fitness in the good old days (or rather techniques in maintaining it are light years ahead now) , that perhaps Pele and Maradona weren't the quickest, they were just quick compared to the not physically dependable defenders?
World cups cloud everything
Also, is it worth pointing out (as I have recently), that because less importance was placed on fitness in the good old days (or rather techniques in maintaining it are light years ahead now) , that perhaps Pele and Maradona weren't the quickest, they were just quick compared to the not physically dependable defenders?
The Zidane thing pissed me off, but I thought there MAY be an argument against it (I can't see it though).
Cruyff just confused me. Fucking cruyff. One of the best players ever and a solid manager
Fuck best though. He ruined livers for fun.
The lack of Beckenbauer being mentioned is uncomfortable for me too.
Zinedine Zidane Titles and Honours
With the French national team:
FIFA World CupWinner: 1998
Appearances: 1998, 2002
European Championship
Winner: 2000
Appearances: 1996, 2000, 2004
With Juventus:European Super Cup: 1996
Intercontinental Cup: 1996
Serie A champions: 1996/1997, 1997/1998
Italian Super Cup: 1997
With Real Madrid:UEFA Champions League: 2001/2002
European Super Cup: 2002
Intercontinental Cup: 2002
Spanish League - La Liga champions: 2002/2003
Personal honours:FIFA World Player of the Year: 1998, 2000, 2003
European Footballer of the Year (Ballon d'Or): 1998
Golden Ball Award: World cup 2006
With the French national team:
FIFA World CupWinner: 1998
Appearances: 1998, 2002
European Championship
Winner: 2000
Appearances: 1996, 2000, 2004
With Juventus:European Super Cup: 1996
Intercontinental Cup: 1996
Serie A champions: 1996/1997, 1997/1998
Italian Super Cup: 1997
With Real Madrid:UEFA Champions League: 2001/2002
European Super Cup: 2002
Intercontinental Cup: 2002
Spanish League - La Liga champions: 2002/2003
Personal honours:FIFA World Player of the Year: 1998, 2000, 2003
European Footballer of the Year (Ballon d'Or): 1998
Golden Ball Award: World cup 2006
Hes no Paul Scholes
Rene higuita is the closest a keeper ever will be to top tier...
Ok - Dreamy is getting into a wee pickle, but when debating the 'greatest players of all time,' people will debate between Maradona and Pele (and now some are adding Messi) ... That's all he's saying - they are the 2 or so most dominating players ever, and the rest are slightly below them. I don't get what all the fuss is about ... If you asked people to list the two best players ever, would Cruyff, Baresi, Maldini etc make the list? Nope, but are they excellent players who were world class and just slightly below Pele and Maradona? I'd think every sane person would say yes.
I think Ronaldo, when he's done, will be compared to Maradona and Pele ... People would be doing that now if it wasn't for that flea.
I don't see how you can compare him to them at all. Whenever he gets the ball all he thinks about is shooting. He'll just try shooting from ridiculous angles when a simple pass to a teammate is the better option. he's not a good team player at all. Even for Portugal he does the same shit. Zidane was better than him.
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