It’s the opposite of the way you’re looking at it. Due to the additional income white people have they diversify the sports and other activities they do which lowers the amount of football they play.
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Ah so it's all the rich little scousers off on their ponies and catamarans, got it.
I mean, it's just a fact, London has lower childhood obesity than Liverpool.
It's probably a mix of both
The rich white kids try different sports
The poor white kids aren't on the parks playing footy, due to council cuts and increase prevalence of gang culture.
And as well, a lot of the good Scouse white kids probably go to Everton, as we've overhauled our youth and started to try and poach the best talent around the country. Meaning we actively block pathways for local kids.
Or, colour means fuck all and everything I've posited first is bollocks
"My way out of this shit hole is football" produces some fantastic footballers. It then creates a "virtuous" cycle, wherein others see a path to success. Of course, they'd be better off doing something else.
My kids do swimming and tennis as well as footy.
Is the data at that level? Isn’t it in regions rather than cities?
You seriously think colour has nothing to do with who wins the 100m at the Olympics? If you do then you've solved the problem: black people have an advantage in athletics. If you don't then I don't really know what to tell you.
Why don’t black people sweep up at the swimming events?
Yeah you're right. It's like the way all those East African kids choose the most vivid and glamorous route out of the ghetto: marathon running!
I can see why you still hold this position about this topic over the course of your whole life because you aren't taking it seriously. This despite the fact that it doesn't pass the sniff test, and has been used historically for evil.
First of all yes, actually, people in poor places in East Africa, often more rural, do see long distance running as a pathway to success if they have interest and ability, and because of all sorts of success there, that ability is harnessed and trained. I'm not sure why you are being facetious about that.
Yes, certain peoples can have some genetic advantages, which they can exploit if they also have a pathway to success and the infrastructure that goes with it. Those people aren't "black". There are specific genetically similar peoples in specific parts of East Africa who may have some advantages for a very specific athletic pursuit. You've begun making a much, much more narrow claim here, that still isn't quite supportable due to lack of specificity.
It's like saying that white people are stronger because Icelandic people might be. That's the depth of your original claim.
Just state it plainly or stop with this bullshit: do you believe that black people have no advantage in sprinting?
If you do then you're fucking stupid or a fucking coward or something along those lines.
The evidence you're attempting to argue with is absolutely overwhelming.
I don't believe that there are black people in any meaningful way as regards genetics, or white people. Those terms are social constructs with no scientific basis.
Your random claims are at odds with each other. Why isn't east Africa producing world class sprinters?
Your random claims are at odds with each other. Why isn't east Africa producing world class sprinters?
I thought we were talking about football?
Didn't a gang of midgets with no black players win the last world cup?
Right now Portugal and Spain who have like 2-3 black players are the best national teams in Europe.
I agree though, athletes of African descent do have an advantage in sprinting and long distance running, but we all know that football isn't just about physical traits.
However, to completely disregard the socioeconomic aspect of this issue feels a bit misguided to me.
I can't speak for Britain, but I can speak for Sweden. As a nation, we're dominant in sports like skiing, ice hockey, and handball. These are sport where we consistently perform at a high level internationally. Yet, it's rare to see black kids or children from immigrant backgrounds participating in them. Why?
Because these are expensive sports. The cost of equipment, training, travel, and club fees creates a barrier that many families can't afford to cross. In contrast, football and basketball are far more accessible and that's where you’ll find most of the kids from immigrant families.
This isn't about talent or interest. It's about access.
Didn't a gang of midgets with no black players win the last world cup?
Right now Portugal and Spain who have like 2-3 black players are the best national teams in Europe.
I agree though, athletes of African descent do have an advantage in sprinting and long distance running, but we all know that football isn't just about physical traits.
However, to completely disregard the socioeconomic aspect of this issue feels a bit misguided to me.
I can't speak for Britain, but I can speak for Sweden. As a nation, we're dominant in sports like skiing, ice hockey, and handball. These are sport where we consistently perform at a high level internationally. Yet, it's rare to see black kids or children from immigrant backgrounds participating in them. Why?
Because these are expensive sports. The cost of equipment, training, travel, and club fees creates a barrier that many families can't afford to cross. In contrast, football and basketball are far more accessible and that's where you’ll find most of the kids from immigrant families.
This isn't about talent or interest. It's about access.
When it comes to football, it's just as rare. Isak probably the only East African footballer who's made it in the big leagues.
The vast majority of the best sprinters are either from the Caribbean, specifically Jamaica or Trinidad & Tobago, or the States or to a lesser extent from the UK.
It's definitely an access thing more than a genetics thing.
It's definitely an access thing more than a genetics thing.
Er because they're have different genetics from West Africans, fucking obviously.
I see you failed to answer the question I asked, btw.
Anyway, nothern Spain produces talent. When I'm there every fucking cage is rammed full of kids having the best time and some of them are really good. The standard of tres there is incredibly high and fun to watch.
Meanwhile here to get that good for some reason you have to pay out the arse.
Meanwhile here to get that good for some reason you have to pay out the arse.
Your question is about black people and genetics and they don't share genetics in any meaningful way. So I can't answer it. I've explained why and why it doesn't make sense, but you are committed to it anyway, and I'm not sure why. We went from football to sprinting to marathon running, all just randomly groping at something.
Money helps, but the best way to attract talent is by showing them that there is a pathway to the senior team, and I believe Klopp did that.
But it's gonna take time, a whole lot of precious time. It's gonna take patience and time.
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I'm just trying to understand exactly how ludicrous your position is.
If someone looks at the evidence of absolutely OVERWHELMING black success in sprinting over the last 40+ years and says "coincidence" or "racism" or some other laughably dishonest explanation then as far as I'm concerned there's no longer any point even engaging with such a person.
Jesus Christ. Again, specific people's with common genetics may have advantages in specific athletic activities.
First of all football isn't one of those specific activities. There's lots of ways to be a good footballer.
"Black people" as you are using it is a term that has no scientific validity. Nor is there any common genetics shared between people identified socially in that way.
It's you who is making a very broad point that's indefensible, and is meandering from that point into narrower claims.
I have no issue with the idea that certain peoples might have specific athletic advantages, that seems clear. There is no mechanism or reason that this would be attributable to one superficial, social construct of race. Again it's like saying that whites are clearly stronger than blacks because the world's strongest men are generally Nordic, and that the addition of some nuance to that means you're PC. No, it means you are approaching a scientific question with the most muddy, general terms.
It’s not coached out of them and loads are skills you expect to happen in close small sided games.
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Exactly. It's exposure to futsal from an early age predominantly with balls that may or may not be in the best condition. The ones who can hack it, progress, the ones that don't, don't b
I idolise all those black sumo champions.
Agreed. You’d think Rio, Nyoni etc shows that young talent can get their chance if they move to us. Leoni didn’t want to leave until we knocked on Parma’s door
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