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He should respond but in a dignified way. He'll be asked about it by masses of hacks so you can't just ignore it. He should politely remind people that the Liverpool contingent are crucial to Hodgson's England and it's largely down to his methods that Sterling, Hendo and Sturridge broke into the national team in the first place. Then in off-camera briefings he can stick the knife in, and presumably provide favoured hacks with plenty of sports science data to show what an ill-informed and petty berk Hodgson really is.
 
I doubt Rodgers will respond. It will just look petty.

All he needs to say is something along these lines - "Roy Hodgson is obviously keen to deflect the attention away from another poor display by his England team, however I have no interest in indulging him on that, so won't be commenting any further."
 
England boss leaves Reds fuming with latest comments about training regime, writes James Pearce


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England manager Roy Hodgson in action during a session at St George's Park, Burton Upon Trent

Liverpool FC fans know from bitter experience all about Roy Hodgson’s uncanny knack of putting his foot in his mouth.

Asked during the early stages of his ill-fated six-month spell in charge of the Reds whether there was anywhere quite like Anfield for an atmosphere, he replied “the San Siro and Old Trafford are excellent”.

Getting past Trabzonspor in the Europa League play-off round was once hailed as “a famous European night” and asked to respond to Alex Ferguson’s claims that Fernando Torres had been playacting to try to get John O’Shea sent off, his retort was “maybe Sir Alex had a better view of it than me”.

Liverpool’s most pitiful derby display for a generation was described as “our best performance of the season”. The list is endless.

Four years on, his disastrous Anfield reign is thankfully an increasingly distant memory but his public utterances and archaic methods are still causing Liverpool problems.

Hodgson blundered on Sunday when he revealed details of his conversation with Raheem Sterling prior to the Euro 2016 qualifier in Estonia.

By saying that the Reds teenager had complained of feeling tired and wanted to “sit it out” the England boss left Sterling open to a barrage of criticism.

If Hodgson had simply said he had taken the decision to rest him little would have been made of it. Instead, however unintentionally, he hung Sterling out to dry and Liverpool are left to lift his chin off the floor.

Hodgson has now followed that up by openly questioning Brendan Rodgers’ training methods. The Reds boss recently urged Hodgson to ensure his England contingent keep to a similar regime when they’re away on international duty to the one they’re used to at Melwood.

Rodgers was furious that Daniel Sturridge suffered a thigh strain during a ‘high intensity’ England training session last month on what Liverpool would have classed as a second recovery day for the striker following a match.
“We feel it was an injury which could have been prevented,” said Rodgers, who has been without his frontline striker for the past seven matches.

Hodgson’s unrepentant response was to deny that England had either pushed Sturridge too hard or that the player was reluctant to take part in the session which saw him pull up lame. Now the 67-year-old has gone a step further, insisting there is little benefit to be gained from Rodgers’ carefully laid plans.

“I don’t think there is a lot of medical evidence to support the two day recovery,” Hodgson said.

Considering the sports science expertise Rodgers draws upon, the Liverpool manager’s reaction to that comment will be interesting.

Last season Hodgson riled the Reds when he admitted he had pressured Sturridge into playing against Germany, despite the player being hampered by a thigh problem, because he wanted to “test his resolve”. That club v country row has since intensified.

With Sturridge, Sterling, Adam Lallana, Jordan Henderson, Rickie Lambert, Glen Johnson and Jon Flanagan all at Anfield, Hodgson needs Liverpool’s support and co-operation but he has a funny way of showing it.

The England manager has vowed to call Rodgers this week to discuss concerns about Sterling being fatigued. It promises to be a lively conversation.
 
The media is always on about how England players should behave. There's also a need for England managers to behave in a certain way, and that now needs to be highlighted, because Hodgson's a damned disgrace.
 
It's been 24 hours since I reiterated how much I despise Roy Hodgson. So just a quick update. He is not only utterly useless, a tedious throwback, a cowardly blame-shifter, and a purveyor of dreadful football with zero tactical nous, he's also a revolting, obsequious, devious, backstabbing, drivel-spouting faux-intellectual hiding behind a mutually beneficial media relationship that continually masks him from the criticism his obvious lack of self-awareness and insecurity deserves.
 
No point getting into a slanging match with the press on his side.

I agree there's no need to get into a public war of words with the old idiot, but the press thing is interesting. In some recent articles (witness for example the article by James Pearce quoted by macca above), and also in radio interviews by the journos concerned, I've noticed an increased willingness to criticise Hodgson and spotlight his weaknesses which, IMO anyway, dates from England's hopeless failure in the last World Cup. Perhaps there's a risk that they might swing back behind Hodgson if they don't like the tone of any public reply from us, but I'm not actually sure they would if such a reply were framed in a dignified way.

As far as communication behind the scenes is concerned, I'm already revising a view I put forward not too far back in this thread, where I hazarded a guess that it was simple incompetence rather than a specific problem with LFC which had prompted all this guff from Hodgson. This latest pronouncement of his is making me question that, and I'm wondering if after all Brendan *did* chew his ear off when they spoke about the Studge.
 
It's been 24 hours since I reiterated how much I despise Roy Hodgson. So just a quick update. He is not only utterly useless, a tedious throwback, a cowardly blame-shifter, and a purveyor of dreadful football with zero tactical nous, he's also a revolting, obsequious, devious, backstabbing, drivel-spouting faux-intellectual hiding behind a mutually beneficial media relationship that continually masks him from the criticism his obvious lack of self-awareness and insecurity deserves.

OK, Sean, now tell us what you really think. 😉
 
It's been 24 hours since I reiterated how much I despise Roy Hodgson. So just a quick update. He is not only utterly useless, a tedious throwback, a cowardly blame-shifter, and a purveyor of dreadful football with zero tactical nous, he's also a revolting, obsequious, devious, backstabbing, drivel-spouting faux-intellectual hiding behind a mutually beneficial media relationship that continually masks him from the criticism his obvious lack of self-awareness and insecurity deserves.


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Many of the hacks have already turned ON Hodgson. Their problem is that there doesn't seem to be someone else to turn TO. They know that they can't just moan endlessly about how bad he is without suggesting a way forward, so they're largely just trying to grin and bear it. Once they convince themselves that there's a viable alternative out there, watch them turn on Hodgson publicly - it'll take just one game.
 
And he himself will then help the process along by reacting badly. Again.

If Redknapp gets the push from QPR, would there be any chance his bandwagon might start rolling again?
 
I don't think so. He's still got his fans, of course, but I gather they sounded him out about it soon after they realised how awful Hodgson actually was, but he's intimated that he's pretty much ready for retirement and hates the FA (and isn't even fond of QPR!), so they're looking for alternatives. It's a regular (discrete) talking point though - they're trying it with Rodgers, Martinez, even Bruce. If any of them suggested they were keen the bandwagon then would start tomorrow. There are plenty of hacks eager for Hoddle to get back into management for this reason - he'd only need a brief spell of success for an almost unstoppable campaign to strike up.
 
Many of the hacks have already turned ON Hodgson. Their problem is that there doesn't seem to be someone else to turn TO. They know that they can't just moan endlessly about how bad he is without suggesting a way forward, so they're largely just trying to grin and bear it. Once they convince themselves that there's a viable alternative out there, watch them turn on Hodgson publicly - it'll take just one game.

Will the Rodgers bandwagon begin up again? That is a narrative the media could seize on. If the coke and booze leads them to it.
 
Will the Rodgers bandwagon begin up again? That is a narrative the media could seize on. If the coke and booze leads them to it.



They had a weekend of interviews in August when he talked broadly about the game and they all got very excited and tried to draw him into expressing an interest, but I think they all realised he's genuinely too committed to pursuing club ambitions for another decade or so. So I think they've shelved that for the moment, unless he seems to change his views or perhaps encourage the idea of some sort of part-time management team set-up. That leaves the other options: I'd say that, as far as I know, maybe 40% of hacks are set on looking for an English replacement, while maybe another 40% feel they've moaned so much about foreign bosses that they'd have to pretend to be insistent on an English-born, or 'naturalised' (a la Martinez) replacement.

So that makes the options pretty grim: Allardyce? I doubt any really now could bear him getting a chance. Pardew? He's proven too many times that he's a short-term success who loses the players at every club he's at, so he's been discounted even if he moves and does well again for a bit elsewhere. Bruce has his fans; it would only take him nominating a top coach to be his assistant for him to get some support. McLaren has slowly won back the odd admirer. If he gets Derby promoted next summer expect plenty of double page 'I've learned from my mistakes' interviews in June. But that's about it. Most of the hacks either hate Hodgson now or feel disappointed in him, but they're just sitting there waiting for a half-credible alternative to emerge.
 
They had a weekend of interviews in August when he talked broadly about the game and they all got very excited and tried to draw him into expressing an interest, but I think they all realised he's genuinely too committed to pursuing club ambitions for another decade or so. So I think they've shelved that for the moment, unless he seems to change his views or perhaps encourage the idea of some sort of part-time management team set-up. That leaves the other options: I'd say that, as far as I know, maybe 40% of hacks are set on looking for an English replacement, while maybe another 40% feel they've moaned so much about foreign bosses that they'd have to pretend to be insistent on an English-born, or 'naturalised' (a la Martinez) replacement.

So that makes the options pretty grim: Allardyce? I doubt any really now could bear him getting a chance. Pardew? He's proven too many times that he's a short-term success who loses the players at every club he's at, so he's been discounted even if he moves and does well again for a bit elsewhere. Bruce has his fans; it would only take him nominating a top coach to be his assistant for him to get some support. McLaren has slowly won back the odd admirer. If he gets Derby promoted next summer expect plenty of double page 'I've learned from my mistakes' interviews in June. But that's about it. Most of the hacks either hate Hodgson now or feel disappointed in him, but they're just sitting there waiting for a half-credible alternative to emerge.

It reminds me of when Chris Woods was England keeper for years. No viable alternative. Well we can at least cling to the knowledge that it will all go tits up for Hodgson at some point. I can't think of anyone who left that job free and clear with praise ringing in his ears since Venables. I look forward to the red tops going full 'owl' on him.
 
As a matter of interest. I thought the two day rest thing only applied to Sturridge. Hodgson makes it seem as though it applies to all our players
 
England manager Roy Hodgson has made himself look “extremely stupid” according to Dutch fitness expert Raymond Verheijen, who previously worked with Barcelona and Wales national team.
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Verheijen has fully backed Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers, saying that Hodgson’s “incompetence must be frustrating for educated managers like Brendan Rodgers who travelled the world.”
Writing on his Twitter account, he said that [it is] “embarrassing to see dinosaur Hodgson questioning the fitness regime of the forward thinking manager Brendan Rodgers.”
“England manager Roy Hodgson once again made himself look extremely stupid,” he blasted. “He is the perfect example of a typical uneducated English coach.”
Earlier, Verheijen explained why players such as Raheem Sterling require a second recovery day:
According to Hodgson, there is no evidence that certain players (Sterling/Sturridge) need longer recovery time compared to other players.
Firstly, 19-year old players do not have a fully matured body yet. So for them the game demands are higher & will develop much more fatigue.
Young players who develop more fatigue during the game need longer time to get rid of this fatigue otherwise they accumulate fatigue in body.
Secondly, Sterling is not only a young but also an explosive player. They have many fast muscle fibres compared to less explosive players.
Fast muscle fibres recover slower compared to slow muscle fibres because less blood & oxygen is running through these fast muscle fibres.
This is why explosive players like Sterling need longer recovery time after a game to get rid of fatigue compared to less explosive player.

If explosive players do not get extra recovery time & are treated in the same way as other players, they accumulate fatigue in their body.
Thirdly accumulation of fatigue due to insufficient recovery makes the nervous system slower. The signal from brain to muscles travel slower.
If the signal from the brain arrives later in the muscles this means the brain has less control over body during explosive football actions.
So there’s much evidence that insufficient recovery, accumulation of fatigue & slower nervous system are dramatically increasing injury risk.​
 
It's like his infamous "I can't work smarter" when he was still LFC manager. The subtext reads: "I'm neither willing nor able to think about all this new stuff in detail, so I'm just going to say it's all nonsense anyway."

What an utter t!t the man is. Except t!ts are both useful and attractive. On second thoughts....
 
Great stuff by Verheijen. It'd be great if more people came out in support.

I can forgive incompetence / bad football but Hodgson just doesn't appear to be a very nice guy - it was the same issue whilst he was at Liverpool.

He deserves to be hounded out good and proper. I hope it happens.
 
Tony Barrett
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 15 2014

Roy Hodgson has admitted he was “made to see sense” by Liverpool’s medical staff after a disagreement over player availability. This particular mea culpa dates back to December 2010 — and relates to Fernando Torres rather than Raheem Sterling or Daniel Sturridge — but this was the moment when the seeds of dysfunction were sown in the relationship between Hodgson and Liverpool.

Such differences are, of course, widespread. A manager wanting to select a player only to be discouraged by his medical experts is a staple of club football. The difference on this occasion was that Hodgson, the Liverpool manager at the time, was presented with enough evidence by the club’s medical department to force him to go back on his public commitment to start Torres in a “dead” Europa League tie against Utrecht.

Torres, who had been rested in Europe that season, was showing signs of the physical deterioration that continued at Chelsea — a combination of a nagging knee problem and other muscular strains that were reducing his effectiveness. Rest, whenever possible, was prescribed by Liverpool’s medical staff. Hodgson begged to differ. A brief stand-off ensued in which Hodgson attempted to assert his authority, but it did not end in his favour.

I had a change of heart,” Hodgson said. “I was certainly considering giving Fernando a start, but I had a talk to our fitness people and they made me see sense that it wasn’t the wisest thing to do. Of course, it would be very bad for us if he’d picked up an injury. They [the fitness people] made me see the error of my ways. I listened to the reason around me and I changed my mind.”

The personnel in Liverpool’s medical department has changed significantly, although not totally, since then but this incident and others have allowed a picture to emerge of an England manager who is, rightly or wrongly, at odds with how one of the country’s leading clubs operate when it comes to player fitness.

Hodgson revealed as much yesterday when he admitted that he could not see the medical benefit of the two-day recovery programme that Liverpool offer their players. That approach is overseen by Glen Driscoll, the club’s head of performance, and it is designed to ensure that players are as close to peak fitness as possible on the day of a match. Steven Gerrard regards himself as one of the main beneficiaries, but the programme applies as much to young players with explosive pace, such as Sturridge and Sterling, as it does to seasoned veterans.

“Controlling the extrinsic causes of injuries means controlling the training on the football pitch and understanding that it is all down to space, numbers of players and duration,” Driscoll has said. “In football drills these decisions allow you to either protect or condition footballers. When to place these sessions in context to your next or previous match is the key.

“Many sport scientists don’t understand this, let alone managers. Some do but don’t have the influence to affect the management and their training. The beauty here is we have a manager [Brendan Rodgers] who not only gets it but manipulates it as part of his own methods to achieve success and protect players from injury. The manager is aware that each player has a threshold level and if he goes above that threshold then the probability of injury in the next match rises.”

The two-day recovery policy is followed throughout the club, extending to the Liverpool Ladies team who won the Women’s Super League title on Sunday. “On the second day you’re at the most risk of getting injured because of your fatigue levels,” Matt Beard, the Liverpool Ladies manager, said. “But more importantly, you’ve got to trust the players. If a player is tired they can still train but may need to do something different to the rest of the squad.

“If a player says they’re tired we might take them to do a session in the pool or offload the fitness stuff off the pitch and take them in the gym. At the end of the day you need your players once you get to matchday to be at their peak to be able to perform. If they’re not at their peak then they will be at risk of getting injured or not being able to do what’s expected of them individually and as a team.”

Liverpool are at odds with England but that is nothing new. In November 2010, one month before the Torres saga, they reacted furiously when Gerrard was ruled out for four weeks after injuring his hamstring on international duty. The Liverpool manager at the time said he was “disappointed and a little bit angry”. His name? Roy Hodgson.
 
It really is embarrassing that he was once our manager. Can we have those 6 months officially erased from the club history?
 
Matt Hughes in the same paper:

Roy Hodgson prefers to relax by reading winners of the Nobel Prize for Literature rather than contenders for the William Hill Sports Book of the Year, but he would be well advised to dip into Roy Keane’s The Second Half when he gets the opportunity. Just in case the literary snob in Hodgson has doubts about being seen with a ghosted autobiography, he can take reassurance given that the co-author, Roddy Doyle, would be equally comfortable in either camp

Amazing, isn't it, how dazzled some hacks still are by the myth of Woy the Bookworm? No matter how stupid, incoherent and inarticulate he actually sounds, some of them still walk away thinking, 'Cor, he reads books, this one...' He'll soon be greeting them wearing a smoking jacket and a fez, a novel by Henry James tucked under his arm, in order to explain his next bit of brainless nonsense.
 
It's quite obvious what's really happening isn't it ?

Roy is obviously still bitter about his whole experience at Liverpool, which can be summed up in these words - epic failure. And he's using whatever leverage his position as England manager permits, to save his face and redeem his lost pride. So like a mischievous little elf, he begins to exercise his newfound power and what better way to start than to enrage the hands that once fed and had pity on him, cooking up a storm in a teacup with the self-imposed illusion that the fuss he cooks up are all matters of national importance.

Meanwhile, Brodgers who's clearly in a different league has no time for the clown. Hence his very much muted response.

I bet you Woy is the type who goes into an interview exaggerating the accolades he's racked up on his CV to immense proportions, and giving you a 10-step plan on how to conquer the world.
 
I suspect the response won't be too muted when he actually has a chance to say something. Rodgers hasn't had a press conference yet, and when he does he'll obviously be asked about it and thankfully he's had a nice few days to plan what he'll say. I'm sure it will be calm and fairly brief but with a clear message. Then he'll talk more candidly to a chosen few off camera with the real response for them to attribute to 'close sources'.
 
I suspect the response won't be too muted when he actually has a chance to say something. Rodgers hasn't had a press conference yet, and when he does he'll obviously be asked about it and thankfully he's had a nice few days to plan what he'll say. I'm sure it will be calm and fairly brief but with a clear message. Then he'll talk more candidly to a chosen few off camera with the real response for them to attribute to 'close sources'.

I'd rather he bludgeoned Budgie to death with a lead pipe
 
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