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Post Match CL Atletico Madrid (H) 3-2 17th Sept 20:00

Sitting in the Swiss Air lounge at Heathrow on my way back to Shanghai it's lovely to reflect on the game and read reviews and comments.

Despite the 2 goals conceded that was a really enjoyable performance from front to back. Some really special interplay.

Isak showed us how much is to come. He is going to be a monster.

I also liked what I saw from Bradley and Frimpong (who is insanely fast - on one occasion giving his man 5-7m and catching him with ease).

And Mo. isn't dead just yet. Cracking goal and Gravy assist (not just sitting this season).
 
Simeone looks like he's been dipped in honey and then dunked in a bucket of pubes. The fucking pubey pube headed fucking pubey melt.
Is that what you said to him when Virgil scored? He said in the press conference that he couldn't remember the exact nature of the insults, but you can't blame him for not saying "This scouse cunt called me a fucking pubey pube headed fucking pubey melt"
 
Is that what you said to him when Virgil scored? He said in the press conference that he couldn't remember the exact nature of the insults, but you can't blame him for not saying "This scouse cunt called me a fucking pubey pube headed fucking pubey melt"
He also said he gets it "every match".

So it makes sense.
 
A minor quibble or two, but Bradley’s making some needless yellow-card risky fouls here and there as a developing habit….and what is out of form Macca doing turning his back on that shot with his leg out?

Beyond that, another heart thumping win and Grav stamping his class all over another big game.
 
A minor quibble or two, but Bradley’s making some needless yellow-card risky fouls here and there as a developing habit….and what is out of form Macca doing turning his back on that shot with his leg out?

Beyond that, another heart thumping win and Grav stamping his class all over another big game.
I think Bradley was shit, and fault for the equaliser. Frimpong was one of our better players yesterday.
 
I read somewhere that Leverkusen had something like 20+ last minute winners in their 23/24 season? Is that right?

I know we have form but perhaps the arrival of Frimpong and Wirtz has amped it up to the max.
 
I think Bradley was shit, and fault for the equaliser. Frimpong was one of our better players yesterday.
I don’t think he was ‘shit’ but he does seem to get an easy ride on post match forum chat. He’s been energetic but sloppy so far this season.
 
Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatings time.

Ali - 6 (did well on crosses but can't really score higher as I can't remember a save he had to make and he was dead slow to release the ball when the quick break was on)

Frim - 7
Ibou - 8 (the big man doesn't get enough credit)
Virg - 8.5 MOTM
Robbo - 6.5 (no idea what he was doing for their first and he was an easy target for them)

Grav - 8
Dom - 7.5
Flo - 7

Mo - 7.5
Isak - 7
Gakpo - 6

Bradley - shite
Mac - shite
Hugo - shite
Rio - Did ok, Atleti did their homework and doubled up on him.
 
I don’t think he was ‘shit’ but he does seem to get an easy ride on post match forum chat. He’s been energetic but sloppy so far this season.
It's just my lazy way of saying that he wasn't that good.
Stupid yellow and fault for the goal.
 
I think Bradley was shit, and fault for the equaliser. Frimpong was one of our better players yesterday.

Bradley didn't play very well and he was definitely at fault for their goal, but I am yet to be overly impressed with Frimpong either at the moment.
 
Bradley didn't play very well and he was definitely at fault for their goal, but I am yet to be overly impressed with Frimpong either at the moment.
Frimpong is doing the basic fullback stuff well. No complaints so far.
 
I think Bradley was shit, and fault for the equaliser. Frimpong was one of our better players yesterday.
Really? I thought he was good and don't remember him being at fault. It was a ricochet and then a deflection!

Need to see a reel of his touches again.
 
Bradley played himself into trouble, too many times the ball would be played into him and he'd wait too long for the lad to get tight before turning back towards his own goal, our area were all groaning.........Llorente's 2nd happened right in front of me, Bradley got twisted inside out, 20 seconds later we concede.

Arne's obsession with subbing off fullbacks for no other reason to give his main squad players minutes in every game is annoying as well, Frimpong was doing fine and the sub was totally not needed.
 
Bradley played himself into trouble, too many times the ball would be played into him and he'd wait too long for the lad to get tight before turning back towards his own goal, our area were all groaning.........Llorente's 2nd happened right in front of me, Bradley got twisted inside out, 20 seconds later we concede.
Nah absolutely not what happened. I've just watched the highlights back - he got back to block a potential cross and the guy stopped and passed it back - the goal then came from a ricochet and a deflection. That was definitely not on Bradders. You are misremembering two phases of play.
 
Nah absolutely not what happened. I've just watched the highlights back - he got back to block a potential cross and the guy stopped and passed it back - the goal then came from a ricochet and a deflection. That was definitely not on Bradders. You are misremembering two phases of play.

Well whatever, he came on and looked shite....that much I know.
 

Alexander Isak’s Liverpool debut provides box-office glamour despite rust​

Barney Ronay
As non-goalscoring club debuts go, Isak’s 57 minutes at Anfield made for a fascinating spectacle

Now witness the firepower of this fully operational Death Star. Four months, one record transfer and an endless rolling multiverse of internet rage since his last club game, Alexander Isak has now finally rematerialised in physical form.

As rust-laden, non-goalscoring club debuts go, Isak’s 57 minutes at Anfield made for a fascinating spectacle. In part for the sheer event glamour, the rubbernecking aspect, like witnessing a personal appearance at a shopping centre by your favourite controversial reality TV star. But also for the sheer data overload in a thrillingly open game dotted with wildness: from a Diego Simeone crowd‑surf red‑card climax, to the endless tactical complexities that continue to flow from Arne Slot’s attempts to re-gear his Liverpool team along these giddily attacking lines.


The key takeaway: it’s going to be open. There will be high‑wire energy. There will be an avalanche of goals. There will also be periods of vulnerability, as there was at Anfield, where for at least an hour after the opening 10 minutes it felt like Atlético Madrid were basically winning the game.

And because this is football there was even time for some comedy. Nine minutes into his debut, with Liverpool already 2‑0 up, Isak still hadn’t touched the ball. Maybe, the thought occurred, he’s never going to touch the ball. They’ll win the treble and he’ll never touch the ball, just do a lot of peripheral running about while football happens nearby, the most confusing glory-laden 55-game season ever staged, perhaps some kind of one-man act of protest against the spectacle.

In the event Isak did touch the ball, his first as a Liverpool player a wayward return pass to Ryan Gravenberch. His second was a moment of authentic muscle memory, a glide and a snipe sideways past Conor Gallagher. In between he lurked in the centre, asserting his own gravity. He looked good. Egg yolk boots, white ankle wraps, red No 9 shirt. Isak has a distinctive and endearing physicality, gangly legs, soft, tender brown eyes, the shark‑like way of moving.

How good is he? Nobody really knows. Isak doesn’t know. This is a footballer in state of mid‑career bloom, reaching up towards his own ceiling. There has even been a degree of pshawing already, pursed lips at the value placed on a footballer with two good goalscoring seasons. But Isak’s value lies in his rarity.

The reason there are fewer specialist goalscorers is because being a specialist goalscorer isn’t enough. The role is so much more complex. We need a finisher. But you’ll also have to be a team cog, press unit, pass rotator, endurance athlete, digester of data. And do all this from the earliest age just to get through the pathways when no one knows if anyone is any good, so the metrics have to be ticked off.

Alexander Isak takes on Atlético Madrid’s Robin Le Normand

Isak has all this, or has had it so far. Here he had his best spell close to half-time. With 38 minutes gone he took a pass from Florian Wirtz, half-turned and shot with no backlift, proper striker stuff, a goal Isak will score when he isn’t coming off four months out. From the same spot moments later he yawned inside and shot again.

There was a lovely give and go, a nudged return pass to Wirtz. And of the two things worth saying about Isak’s debut this was the big positive. He brought the best out of Mohamed Salah, although this was less balance or interplay, more an act of status assertion, alpha-dom. With six minutes gone Salah had a goal and, technically, an assist, his free-kick deflected in off Andy Robertson. Salah’s goal was a lovely thing, a glimpse of his ability to paint these tiny miniatures, the Sistine Chapel on a grain of rice, jostled by three defenders, feet battering the turf, going right, left, then into the far corner.


Salah has had a drop‑off, has perhaps missed Trent Alexander‑Arnold, moping a little, like a labrador pining for its departed owner. This was a glimpse of actual Salah, the same super slick nightmare of power and speed on the right. Isak combined more overly with Wirtz, and while this involved quite a few errant passes and mistimed runs it was still progress.

The other side of this was that openness at the back of midfield. Every game Wirtz plays as a No 10 it will leave the risk of the midfield pivot being outnumbered. And Atlético were always in this game, roused by Simeone appearing on the touchline diffusing his own unique main‑character energy: Soprano-style black suit, strange scary hair, eyes like globs of mercury, a jawline you could grate cheese on. Even Simeone’s shoes are frightening. Where do you buy shoes like that? On a submarine? At a secret arms dealer convention hall?

Atlético pulled it back to 2-2, before going down to Virgil van Dijk’s late winner. Slot will wrestle with these questions of balance and openness. For now he can also bask in the possibilities.
 
Nah absolutely not what happened. I've just watched the highlights back - he got back to block a potential cross and the guy stopped and passed it back - the goal then came from a ricochet and a deflection. That was definitely not on Bradders. You are misremembering two phases of play.
Yeah, the inference from the pundits was that if he hadn't been on a booking he could have taken out his winger on the edge of the box, and that it would have been better to concede a free-kick in a really dangerous area rather than allow the winger to continue the run with some legal jockeying from Bradley and the hope that Ibou and VVD might bail him out. I thought that was total bollocks in that particular incident, although the general point about putting himself under pressure with a needless booking was fair. I just didn't think that would have affected his judgement in that particular phase of play.
 
Isak looks a different class to Ekitike. He might not have scored but you can tell he's going to be ace.
I think they are different, which is good, Ekitike looks creative and will provide a bit of improvisation, which can be a good thing, especially as an alternative to Wirtz and Gapko. Isak is established, Eki is younger and less experienced but has scored 3 in 6 games, which is more than we could have expected of him. He's looked good in every game so far, last night was different, but he came off the bench and we were already at sixes and sevens a bit.
 
Well whatever, he came on and looked shite....that much I know.
Is this the best you can offer regarding players? He came on and was shite? He was a mixed bag, but lets just be a lazy cunt with our assessments because it's too fucking easy.
 
I think they are different, which is good, Ekitike looks creative and will provide a bit of improvisation, which can be a good thing, especially as an alternative to Wirtz and Gapko. Isak is established, Eki is younger and less experienced but has scored 3 in 6 games, which is more than we could have expected of him. He's looked good in every game so far, last night was different, but he came off the bench and we were already at sixes and sevens a bit.
Hugo's been great but Isak is another level. So he should be I guess, with the League experience and price tag.
 
It was a very mixed bags match, excellent a little and mostly awful, bad defending, and very wasteful, we ought to thank VVD for getting us a win single-handed. Huge improvement, still very much needed for the derby game! I still think Gakpo very much one dimension, Wirtz weak in general, he needs to improve and work hard quickly, otherwise, he will be replaced by Rio. I thought Gravenberch was outstanding. Good luck
 
Is this the best you can offer regarding players? He came on and was shite? He was a mixed bag, but lets just be a lazy cunt with our assessments because it's too fucking easy.

I've already said and summarised my piece last night with what I wanted to say. Also if you scroll up about TWO FUCKING POSTS, you'd have seen another little summary other than just to call a player shite....but yes, he was shite when he came on, the subs made us progressively worse.

Is every post here required to be 10 sentences long as a minimum or something? 500 characters?
 
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