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Dan Agger - A football thread

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LeTallecWiz said:
Kenny was average (at best) in his second stint as manager - No one is arguing that, or has done since he's been fired. He's only brought up by a few posters. We've all accepted and moved on.

I can be disappointed however with the Glock like repetitiveness, or with the non-stop animosity shown to a man you know that almost everyone (bar a few posters) look at as a Liverpool legend. I'd rather, tbh, read your insight on players (I liked reading what you write about Allen etc) or tactics (even if I don't agree) - that's far more entertaining than these daily "Kenny was the devil" posts.
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To the point I just made to that other guy above LeTall, when you read something as mindnumbingly stupid as what khl posted, there is only one response.

'Why do you think we're having to sell our most expensive assets?'

'IT'S RODGERS FAULT! HE WANTS US TO BE SHIT!'

No. It's not. There's another reason. Guess what it is?
 
Ryan said:
You may get fed up with that Count (not that I give a fuck what you think to be perfectly clear), but not as fucking fed up as I get reading the same clueless bullshit on here time and time again like that effort khl came up with.
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Ignore him Count - Jesus this thread is getting tedious...
 
If we sell Agger and Carroll within this transfer-window we'll struggle to stay in the top half of the table.

I don't care HOW MUCH MONEY we should get as it's a clear sign of intent that we are not going to anyhting about the proposed Premiership push for another five years.

It's a fucking stupid plan all around and I hate it, why I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope everyone's wrong and that we keep Agger and Carroll.

*Despite both of them have now been somewhat whored about by the new manager.
 
the_khl said:
If we sell Agger and Carroll within this transfer-window we'll struggle to stay in the top half of the table.

I don't care HOW MUCH MONEY we should get as it's a clear sign of intent that we are not going to anyhting about the proposed Premiership push for another five years.

It's a fucking stupid plan all around and I hate it, why I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope everyone's wrong and that we keep Agger and Carroll.

*Despite both of them have now been somewhat whored about by the new manager.
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I don't agree. Agger would definitely be replaceable I think. If he brings in 20million that's surely got to be seen as good deal. Kelly, Coates, Wilson and of cause Carra can all do a good job there. I'd be disappointed if we lost Carroll though.
 
Ryan said:
To the point I just made to that other guy above LeTall, when you read something as mindnumbingly stupid as what khl posted, there is only one response.

'Why do you think we're having to sell our most expensive assets?'

'IT'S RODGERS FAULT! HE WANTS US TO BE SHIT!'

No. It's not. There's another reason. Guess what it is?
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You are such a cry baby.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
Kenny was average (at best) in his second stint as manager - No one is arguing that, or has done since he's been fired. He's only brought up by a few posters. We've all accepted and moved on.

I can be disappointed however with the Glock like repetitiveness, or with the non-stop animosity shown to a man you know that almost everyone (bar a few posters) look at as a Liverpool legend. I'd rather, tbh, read your insight on players (I liked reading what you write about Allen etc) or tactics (even if I don't agree) - that's far more entertaining than these daily "Kenny was the devil" posts.
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No. Worst season in decades do not equate to average, not even at best.
At best would be "poor" and that's being nice.
 
Red Astaire said:
I don't agree. Agger would definitely be replaceable I think. If he brings in 20million that's surely got to be seen as good deal. Kelly, Coates, Wilson and of cause Carra can all do a good job there. I'd be disappointed if we lost Carroll though.
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It's a good deal alright. For City.

We'll have to wait and see, personally I believe it would be a disaster if the new manager starts selling our biggest assets, no matter how much posters like Ryan tries to convince us he's only making these 'mistakes' to make up for the disaster that is Kenny.

I am tired of excuses and to be honest untill the Season begins I know fear the worst for our club.

A defensive back for of Skrtel, Carra, Coates and Wilson and frontline of Suarez, Borini, Dempsey and Cole.

12th place.
 
Red Astaire said:
I don't agree. Agger would definitely be replaceable I think. If he brings in 20million that's surely got to be seen as good deal. Kelly, Coates, Wilson and of cause Carra can all do a good job there. I'd be disappointed if we lost Carroll though.
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Carra hasn't done a good job there for the past two years. What makes you think he'll do it now?
I don't care if we get £20 Million for Agger. As long as we don't have a clear replacement it's a horrendous deal.
Also, whoever we try to buy will be expensive. Even if go after someone like Amorebieta, they're gonna ask for top dollar.
We're nearing the end of the window and we're looking mighty desperate.
You think they'll go "oh you got £20 Million for Agger? We'll take £2 Million for Amorebieta".
It's gonna be a "£35 Million or get lost" situation again.
 
the_khl said:
It's a good deal alright. For City.

We'll have to wait and see, personally I believe it would be a disaster if the new manager starts selling our biggest assets, no matter how much posters like Ryan tries to convince us he's only making these 'mistakes' to make up for the disaster that is Kenny.

I am tired of excuses and to be honest untill the Season begins I know fear the worst for our club.

A defensive back for of Skrtel, Carra, Coates and Wilson and frontline of Suarez, Borini, Dempsey and Cole.

12th place.
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Why are you so sure? Agger is a good player as we all know. We also know he has an iffy injury record - That coupled with the fact we have solid cover for him and we get 20 million to invest in other areas. I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. How about a back line of Johnson - Skrtel - Kelly/Coates/Carra- Enrique?? Mate that sounds fine to me.
 
Modo said:
No. Worst season in decades do not equate to average, not even at best.
At best would be "poor" and that's being nice.
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Everything went wrong for the team - on & off the pitch. Hence I said, 'average' at best. There was enough good things that gave some of us hope. But not enough for the owners, and I accept (& respect) that.

However, enough about Kenny. Enough about Rafa. Enough ... Let's focus on Brendan.
 
Modo said:
Carra hasn't done a good job there for the past two years. What makes you think he'll do it now?
I don't care if we get £20 Million for Agger. As long as we don't have a clear replacement it's a horrendous deal.
Also, whoever we try to buy will be expensive. Even if go after someone like Amorebieta, they're gonna ask for top dollar.
We're nearing the end of the window and we're looking mighty desperate.
You think they'll go "oh you got £20 Million for Agger? We'll take £2 Million for Amorebieta".
It's gonna be a "£35 Million or get lost" situation again.
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Carra would only ever be used as cover. A job - i'm sure you'd agree he could do. I guess the real question is do you have any faith in Coates or Kelly at CB? I know Kelly doesn't have a great deal of experience there but I think the quality is there. Carra didn't have experience there and he turned out ok.
 
Red Astaire said:
Carra would only ever be used as cover. A job - i'm sure you'd agree he could do. I guess the real question is do you have any faith in Coates or Kelly at CB? I know Kelly doesn't have a great deal of experience there but I think the quality is there. Carra didn't have experience there and he turned out ok.
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Wasn't Carra like 27 at the time as well?
 
Red Astaire said:
It was the 2004-05 season so yeah he was 26. Are you saying you have to be older to play CB? Kelly is 22 now and so is Coates (nearly).
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No I'm saying that he had experience. Game experience. A transition to CB seemed like the natural thing to do and Benitez quite quickly realized this, cause let's be honest Carra was no Danny Alves.

I also believe that Kelly might become a top CB in future but it has to be done gradually. Sub appearances, cup games against lower tier teams etc.
I'd love to see Coates play for us and it's too bad Kenny didn't give him a chance last season.
But from what I saw in the Olympics, he's far from ready.
 
Modo said:
No I'm saying that he had experience. Game experience. A transition to CB seemed like the natural thing to do and Benitez quite quickly realized this, cause let's be honest Carra was no Danny Alves.

I also believe that Kelly might become a top CB in future but it has to be done gradually. Sub appearances, cup games against lower tier teams etc.
I'd love to see Coates play for us and it's too bad Kenny didn't give him a chance last season.
But from what I saw in the Olympics, he's far from ready.
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Well I think Rodgers is going to start using Kelly more and more as a CB. He played there in the friendly the other day. Coates I'm sure will come good. Also Agger was 21 when he started for Liverpool in 2005-2006 season. If your good enough, your old enough and all that.
 
If you watch the entire press conference or add all the snippets of his answers re Agger, it puts thing in a different light tbh;

"Do you see the possibility of others leaving, for example Daniel Agger is an interest for Manchester City"

"Not really. Daniel's a top player and no club wants to lose their top players. I suppose at every club we've seen it throughout, every player has a price but for me Daniel is a top class professional. I've really enjoyed working with him and speaking with him a lot in the last few weeks since he's been back, your top players will always be linked. I'm not forced to sell anyone, which is important. Daniel is a very very important player for here. Like I say we'll see what happens between now and the end of the month, but certainly for me he's getting back up to speed, he's a good guy, he loves the club here, loves the supporters, he's really focussed on his work here. But like I say you can never say never and I'm a realist as well, so we'll see where it goes between now and the end of the month."
 
But KHL.... Andy carroll contributed 4 league goals last season and we finiashed 6 - are you saying that minus those 4 goals means we'll drop another 6 places or that we can';t find someone whow will be ablew to stick the ball in the back of the net 4 times next season.

Agger is a good player, but a 20m+ bid for someone with his history of injuries has to be considered. We could just as easily keep him and see him spend the entire season in the injury room again as see him play 30+ games - something he's only done in 3 of the last 7 years & never in a row. There is an argument that his value is at it's highest right now and if a suitable offer comes in we'd be stupid to not be tempted.

Martin Kelly needs to be playing regularly soon or we'll be selling him off.
 
is understood Adam Johnson could yet be offered on loan as a makeweight in a potential deal. Agger has entered the final two years of his contract and talks on a new deal have stalled.
"Top centre-halves are at a premium," Rodgers, speaking before Thursday's Europa League qualifier against FC Gomel, said. "Take Thiago Silva, he left AC Milan to go to Paris St Germain for £40m. So it has to be a big valuation.
"Daniel is one of the leading players in European football at centre-half. Is he a player I want to lose? No he's not. But like any club, if an offer comes in that is in the best interests of the club, of course you have to look at it.
"From a football perspective, do I want to lose Daniel Agger? Not really. He can be a really pivotal player for me, he understands how I want to work. But I am a realist. And the reality is that if a club comes in with a massive bid then the club may have to look at it. You can never say never."
 
Yeah the full interview does make his comments look a bit more nuanced. I guess he's alright in saying what he's saying after all. Sorry for jumping the gun a bit then.

Cheers
 
Red Astaire said:
It was the 2004-05 season so yeah he was 26. Are you saying you have to be older to play CB? Kelly is 22 now and so is Coates (nearly).
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Chris Smalling is younger than Kelly - and Phil Jones is only 20.

Carragher is 9 months older than Ferdinand.
 
the_khl said:
Yeah the full interview does make his comments look a bit more nuanced. I guess he's alright in saying what he's saying after all. Sorry for jumping the gun a bit then.

Cheers
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Can't say fairer than that.
 
StevieM said:
Chris Smalling is younger than Kelly - and Phil Jones is only 20.

Carragher is 9 months older than Ferdinand.
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Again Im not saying that there's an age restriction. But how much premiership experience do they have compared to Smalling at CB?
And when did Smalling become first choice?
 
Kelly's never played more than a few minutes for us at centre half, so it's pretty difficult to say how he'd do. I've heard once or twice before, though, that people at the club have doubts about whether he'll ever be quite up to playing there. You'd have to think he's no more reliable an option at present than someone like Danny Wilson, who's at least had a decent number of games there at a reasonable level.

Personally I always felt we should've kept hold of Ayala for a bit longer - for the sake of £800k ffs. He would've been well worth having as a squad player this season.
 
peterhague said:
Kelly's never played more than a few minutes for us at centre half, so it's pretty difficult to say how he'd do. I've heard once or twice before, though, that people at the club have doubts about whether he'll ever be quite up to playing there. You'd have to think he's no more reliable an option at present than someone like Danny Wilson, who's at least had a decent number of games there at a reasonable level.

Personally I always felt we should've kept hold of Ayala for a bit longer - for the sake of £800k ffs. He would've been well worth having as a squad player this season.
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Good call about Ayala. How about San Jose...
 
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