Emre Can't

[Mystic]

He's probably my favourite player in this Liverpool team, he's a great passer, can dictate tempo and can effectively carry the ball forward, he's classy, cool, and composed, but seemingly completely incapable with dealing with the pressure of a major final.

He was awful last night, maybe that was compounded by an abject performance from Milner who offered him nothing in terms of support, but we desperately needed control of the midfield this game and Can fell to pieces. I'm still confident that Emre will go on to become one of the top midfielders in Europe, but last night was a reality check that he still has a long way to go, you just can't afford to go to pieces in such important games.

 

[Shadey]

He's still learning his trade he'll come good under Klopp

 

[The Nomad]

He's a good player - But when he realises he has Hamann abilities rather than Alonso abilities, that's when we'll see the best of him. Too many hollywood balls that go astray and trying to thread the eye of a needle which don't work.

 

[JohnnyRocket]

He's not a holding midfielder, and shouldn't be the long term solution to the DM position.

He has the potential to be a very good number 8. Perhaps a Patrick Vieira type player, who isn't the holding midfielder, but who is a strong enforcer in the midfield. But we need to stop excusing his age. He needs to deliver more consistently. Compare him to a 22 year old Xabi Alonso.

 

[mom]

He's a great player who needs a bit more quality around him. Who did he have around him yesterday to carry the midfield? Lallana cout and firm went awol and Milner was getting forward plenty.
Judge him next season

 

[Hansern]

He dealt with the pressure in the Utd, Dortmund and Villareal games. All big games.
Not performing 100 % yesterday doesnt automatically mean it will happen in the next final.

He is young though and still developing. We've seen more then enough of him to know he'll become a top player.

 

[Modo]

Further proof that we still only have one real DM.
Should have seen the warning signs against Chelsea.

 

[Arn]

Further proof that we still only have one real DM.
Should have seen the warning signs against Chelsea.

You do know that some members here will never admit that. We only have one player that can close the gap infront of the back four. The one that made most tackles in the PL the last decade. The one that will hold his position the whole game. The one that do what a DM should do. Play short easy passes so the team can control the ball. The one that is happy to take a yellow card for the team and the freekick instead of a clear run into the box.

 

[Modo]

You do know that some members here will never admit that. We only have one player that can close the gap infront of the back four. The one that made most tackles in the PL the last decade. The one that will hold his position the whole game. The one that do what a DM should do. Play short easy passes so the team can control the ball. The one that is happy to take a yellow card for the team and the freekick instead of a clear run into the box.

It's their problem.

 

[Leo]

It's bad enough we had to deal with a clueless Swede last night without having to deal with two more the next day.

 

[Arn]

It's their problem.

They will as you know make it my problem.

We should try and get Mascherano back. Barcelona want to sell him if you believe the Spanish media.

 

[Modo]

They will as you know make it my problem.

We should try and get Mascherano back. Barcelona want to sell him if you believe the Spanish media.

Yeah, but that seems short term.

 

[Arn]

Yeah, but that seems short term.

We need both short and long term solutions. The problem the last few years is that we have almost only signed long term solutions. Players that may deliver in a few years time. We need players that we know will deliver from the start of next season. Players that will be a part of the spine straight away.

 

[Fabio]

This thread can fuck off

Can was the least of our worries last night. Least he showed emotion at the loss. He gives a fuck.

 

[Squiggles]

He wasn't great, but neither was anyone really Toure aside, and only Moreno deserves to be singled out for being spectacularly shit.

We failed as a collective last night.

 

[ILD]

but seemingly completely incapable with dealing with the pressure of a major final.

Ah that's harsh man. I felt we needed a big game out of Can if we were to win but I wouldn't say he crumbled or we lost because of him. He had some erratic passes but he tried to drive us forward. He looks like he cares too. Disappointing all round.

 

[Mamma Mia]

They will as you know make it my problem.

We should try and get Mascherano back. Barcelona want to sell him if you believe the Spanish media.

We should also tell him to convince Messi to join him and Suarez. 100m should be enough for the three of them.

 

[Glen C]

You do know that some members here will never admit that. We only have one player that can close the gap infront of the back four. The one that made most tackles in the PL the last decade. The one that will hold his position the whole game. The one that do what a DM should do. Play short easy passes so the team can control the ball. The one that is happy to take a yellow card for the team and the freekick instead of a clear run into the box.

Seems like Klopp won't admit it either, or maybe he wants more than what he offers. Either way his time at liverpool is over.

 

[Arn]

Seems like Klopp won't admit it either, or maybe he wants more than what he offers. Either way his time at liverpool is over.

I doubt that very much. We will probably sign close to 10 new players this summer for the first team and you need players like Lucas to help them settle in at the club. As Gerrard said about Lucas. “One of the best fellas you can share a dressing room with".

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Further proof that we still only have one real DM.
Should have seen the warning signs against Chelsea.

You obviously didn't watch the game if you think he'd have made that much of a difference. We destroyed them in the 1st half - we just completely lost all our bearing, confidence, shape etc within a few seconds of the 2nd half. Nothing - not Can going over to pick Moreno up, or Toure clapping etc or whatever Milner was doing turned that around. You're making me want to hope he's sold because it seems you're talking about a 28 year old Mkalele or a DM of that stature ...

 

[Buddha]

It wasn't his best game but he most definitely wasn't 'awful' last night.

 

[Modo]

You obviously didn't watch the game if you think he'd have made that much of a difference. We destroyed them in the 1st half - we just completely lost all our bearing, confidence, shape etc within a few seconds of the 2nd half. Nothing - not Can going over to pick Moreno up, or Toure clapping etc or whatever Milner was doing turned that around. You're making me want to hope he's sold because it seems you're talking about a 28 year old Mkalele or a DM of that stature ...

I watched the game and your right about the first half, but in the 2nd Sevilla exploited the gaping hole we had in front of our back line. We needed a DM on the pitch.
Didn't have to be Makalele to plug that hole. Lucas has done it before.
I don't know if we would have won, but I was suspicious of the line up before the game. Especially after the Chelsea game.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I watched the game and your right about the first half, but in the 2nd Sevilla exploited the gaping hole we had in front of our back line. We needed a DM on the pitch.
Didn't have to be Makalele to plug that hole. Lucas has done it before.
I don't know if we would have won, but I was suspicious of the line up before the game. Especially after the Chelsea game.

This game was over by half time if we'd taken our chances and got a ref with 1 testicle (at least one of those handballs was a penalty).
Lucas wouldn't have made a difference - we weren't HOLDING onto the ball and inviting heavy, quick, counter attacking football.

The Chelsea example is missing the obvious I think - we were playing against the best player last year who decided to play his best game of the season by a long long shot. Very few players in the world can slow him down - no matter how highly you think of Lucas, he cannot. When he's in that mood, as he was for his cameo against Spurs, you either have to hope your keeper is standing on his toes or Hazard is scuffing his shots.

Do you rate Klopp highly? If you do, then either he doesn't value the DM position, or he doesn't think Lucas is worth playing there unless it's a late game addition to the middle ... He's a good squad member, and a good influence to have around the club, but that's about it.

 

[Arn]

You obviously didn't watch the game if you think he'd have made that much of a difference. We destroyed them in the 1st half - we just completely lost all our bearing, confidence, shape etc within a few seconds of the 2nd half. Nothing - not Can going over to pick Moreno up, or Toure clapping etc or whatever Milner was doing turned that around. You're making me want to hope he's sold because it seems you're talking about a 28 year old Mkalele or a DM of that stature ...

One question. What job should a very good DM do on the pitch?

I will tell you one reason to why Spain totally dominates European football at the moment. All the best clubs play with a DM that more or less never cross the half way line. Even Real do it now in most of the games. Not a single top class club in the PL do it.

If you want the attacking players to concentrate on the attacking bit then a DM that stays in his own half is a must.

One reason to why Hyypia and Carra had so much success was down to Mascherano and before him Hamann protecting them all the time.

 

[Arn]

This game was over by half time if we'd taken our chances and got a ref with 1 testicle (at least one of those handballs was a penalty).
Lucas wouldn't have made a difference - we weren't HOLDING onto the ball and inviting heavy, quick, counter attacking football.

The Chelsea example is missing the obvious I think - we were playing against the best player last year who decided to play his best game of the season by a long long shot. Very few players in the world can slow him down - no matter how highly you think of Lucas, he cannot. When he's in that mood, as he was for his cameo against Spurs, you either have to hope your keeper is standing on his toes or Hazard is scuffing his shots.

Do you rate Klopp highly? If you do, then either he doesn't value the DM position, or he doesn't think Lucas is worth playing there unless it's a late game addition to the middle ... He's a good squad member, and a good influence to have around the club, but that's about it.

You do know that Lucas is our best player when it comes down to holding onto the ball. He is by far our best player doing that.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

One question. What job should a very good DM do on the pitch?

I will tell you one reason to why Spain totally dominates European football at the moment. All the best clubs play with a DM that more or less never cross the half way line. Even Real do it now in most of the games. Not a single top class club in the PL do it.

If you want the attacking players to concentrate on the attacking bit then a DM that stays in his own half is a must.

One reason to why Hyypia and Carra had so much success was down to Mascherano and before him Hamann protecting them all the time.

Yes, having a DM is very important. Klopp normally played with two 'CMs' behind his attacking 4 ... The problem is we didn't take advantage of a dominating 1st half - where they had ZERO shots on goal - to put the game to sleep, and the team just didn't have anything in them after that first goal in the 2nd half. The fans were basically knocked out too - we were out sung by Sevilla most of the 2nd half ... The momentum was all their's and they made it count. Lucas, or any player for that matter, wouldn't have stopped what they were doing to us ... We lack winners (I thin we have very few on our team ...) and players on a different level who can win games on their own (Like Suarez, whom I wish we'd be signing but you've convinced me otherwise)

You do know that Lucas is our best player when it comes down to holding onto the ball. He is by far our best player doing that.

Lucas is our best player full stop in your eyes (until we sign Suarez next year, then he'll be #2).

 

[Arn]

Lucas isn't even close to be our best player but he is our best defensive player but that isn't that difficult at the moment.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Lucas isn't even close to be our best player but he is our best defensive player but that isn't that difficult at the moment.

Can is our best DM. Lucas is our 2nd best DM. Can will be much better next year, I would hope the same for Lucas - or whoever replaces him.

 

[mark1975]

One question. What job should a very good DM do on the pitch?

I will tell you one reason to why Spain totally dominates European football at the moment. All the best clubs play with a DM that more or less never cross the half way line. Even Real do it now in most of the games. Not a single top class club in the PL do it.

If you want the attacking players to concentrate on the attacking bit then a DM that stays in his own half is a must.

One reason to why Hyypia and Carra had so much success was down to Mascherano and before him Hamann protecting them all the time.

And they were both fucking great players who could play a fair bit AND they could be cynical without giving away stupid fouls. Lucas does a job and he might have been useful, but quit acting like he's some crossbreed of Makalele and Pirlo, he's nowhere near the same standard as the players you repeatedly compare him to.

That little exchange with Modo was one of the most mental things I've seen on here. "they don't get it", hahaha....

 

[Wiberg]

Even worse: Klopp can't!

Leaving Moreno and Can on the field was one of the worst decisions ever made in a final by a LFC manager. I'm still trying to grasp it... Headless chickens.