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Florian and the (Slot) Machine

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I like Cherki - he is supremely talented, but there have always been concerns about his attitude and work rate. Wirtz on the other hand - supremely talented and also a monster runner off the ball. He is better than Musila, Bellingham, Olise, Palmer for me.

I'd put him in the Yamal bracket as the two best attacking midfielders in the world over the next 5 years. You add Wirtz, and I think you're almost guaranteeing trophies - I'd very happily pay 120 million for him, even if meant not signing a striker. He's that good tbh.

The only issue of course is we never win any of the transfer 'battles' - we simply can't compete financially. I have no doubt we'd be happy to pay the transfer fee, but City's starting point for wages would be 400k, whereas we'd start the bidding at 200k. Chelsea will also come in and offer an 8 year contract. Can't compete with that sort of nonsense, and we always end up failing with these sort of transfers.
 
dmishra said:
I like Cherki - he is supremely talented, but there have always been concerns about his attitude and work rate. Wirtz on the other hand - supremely talented and also a monster runner off the ball. He is better than Musila, Bellingham, Olise, Palmer for me.

I'd put him in the Yamal bracket as the two best attacking midfielders in the world over the next 5 years. You add Wirtz, and I think you're almost guaranteeing trophies - I'd very happily pay 120 million for him, even if meant not signing a striker. He's that good tbh.

The only issue of course is we never win any of the transfer 'battles' - we simply can't compete financially. I have no doubt we'd be happy to pay the transfer fee, but City's starting point for wages would be 400k, whereas we'd start the bidding at 200k. Chelsea will also come in and offer an 8 year contract. Can't compete with that sort of nonsense, and we always end up failing with these sort of transfers.
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You're right but he does seem to have a good head on his shoulders judging by these quotes. He at least sounds the sort that will consider the whole project and offer rather than just the pay day.

Florian Wirtz on money in football: "When I moved from Köln to Leverkusen, I didn't think for a second about my salary, but only about what was best for my career. I don't even think about how much money I have in my account or what I could earn in the future.

Of course you should make sure you get a good contract. But the sporting perspective is much more important to me than the money. And I think my parents would get angry if I was too focused on money. Why? Because I was brought up to believe that you have to take good care of your money and can't just throw it out the window.

After I moved to Leverkusen when I was 16, my parents managed my salary and paid me 150€ a month.

That shaped me. It was important to my parents that I didn't do anything nonsensical with my salary. That's why they still help me to invest my money wisely today. I was never the type to buy flashy things. And it was also always important to my family that I didn't lose my grip on things."

[@SIGerman y]
 
dmishra said:
I like Cherki - he is supremely talented, but there have always been concerns about his attitude and work rate. Wirtz on the other hand - supremely talented and also a monster runner off the ball. He is better than Musila, Bellingham, Olise, Palmer for me.

I'd put him in the Yamal bracket as the two best attacking midfielders in the world over the next 5 years. You add Wirtz, and I think you're almost guaranteeing trophies - I'd very happily pay 120 million for him, even if meant not signing a striker. He's that good tbh.

The only issue of course is we never win any of the transfer 'battles' - we simply can't compete financially. I have no doubt we'd be happy to pay the transfer fee, but City's starting point for wages would be 400k, whereas we'd start the bidding at 200k. Chelsea will also come in and offer an 8 year contract. Can't compete with that sort of nonsense, and we always end up failing with these sort of transfers.
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Agreed. That's what I wanted to say before I started getting dizzy
 
The Nomad said:
I might be alone in thinking this. But I'd rather spend the money on Cherki, Mastantuano and put the rest towards a new number 9.

As special as Wirtz is, Mastantuano seems like the next generational talent.
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Mastantuano apparently wants / is waiting for Real. If another club does end up signing him, he'll likely always have one eye on a move to Real in the future.
 
The Nomad said:
I might be alone in thinking this. But I'd rather spend the money on Cherki, Mastantuano and put the rest towards a new number 9.

As special as Wirtz is, Mastantuano seems like the next generational talent.
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Let’s buy both.
 
Squiggles said:
You're right but he does seem to have a good head on his shoulders judging by these quotes. He at least sounds the sort that will consider the whole project and offer rather than just the pay day.

Florian Wirtz on money in football: "When I moved from Köln to Leverkusen, I didn't think for a second about my salary, but only about what was best for my career. I don't even think about how much money I have in my account or what I could earn in the future.

Of course you should make sure you get a good contract. But the sporting perspective is much more important to me than the money. And I think my parents would get angry if I was too focused on money. Why? Because I was brought up to believe that you have to take good care of your money and can't just throw it out the window.

After I moved to Leverkusen when I was 16, my parents managed my salary and paid me 150€ a month.

That shaped me. It was important to my parents that I didn't do anything nonsensical with my salary. That's why they still help me to invest my money wisely today. I was never the type to buy flashy things. And it was also always important to my family that I didn't lose my grip on things."

[@SIGerman y]
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That's the most Edwards/Hughes style pitch I've ever heard. That's the attitude they fucking love
 
I’m not sure how sold i am on Wirtz unless he’s bought to play behind a new number 9

I remember him being a bit average in the Leverkusen CL game. The one where Diaz got a hat trick. Maybe an unfair way to judge him but i didn’t leave then thinking we needed him in the team
 
We absolutely still need a 9, even with wirtz

I imagine we'll play something stylish like this

-------------- ----------new 9----------------
Diaz/gakpo-------------------------------salah
----------------------wirtz/szob----------------
---macca/jones----------gravy/endo
New LB-----vvd--------ibou---------frimmers
----------------------------Ali-------------------------------

All width from overlapping full backs, a 9 that stays high and central, a deeper midfield and letting wirtz do what he wants with Salah and the LW cutting inside to free up more space

Dutch as fuck
 
With converted DM Grav looking around for help stressed like

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If we signed him, I'd just play him as a false 9, flanked by Diaz/Gakpo and Salah playing narrow, Szoboszlai supporting from behind, and Frimpong providing pace out wide right.

You frankly don't need a 9 when you have THAT much pace and creativity. City walked the league a few years ago without a striker - this would be a similar set-up.

I'd probably avoid going for a LB like Kerkez if we go down this route. Could really start thinking of someone like Murillo for the LB role, with a view to transition him to CB once VVD retires.

In possession, you'd have 3 tanks at the back (Konate, VVD, Murillo) protected by a 2-man pivot, and the rest absolutely running riot in the final third.
 
I can see value, even at a very high transfer fee - immediate first teamer and only 22. Will contribute 20-30 G/As every season for years.
 
Brizzle said:
I’m not sure how sold i am on Wirtz unless he’s bought to play behind a new number 9

I remember him being a bit average in the Leverkusen CL game. The one where Diaz got a hat trick. Maybe an unfair way to judge him but i didn’t leave then thinking we needed him in the team
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I have to agree, I think he is more hype tgan talent. Even for Germany in the last tournament he did not stick out that well.
He is no where near as good as Musiala. The way people are going on, he has to be a player that impacts every game, clearly he does not.
 
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