I think that would not be 110%Awaits news about the Etihad £200m a year sponsorship deal

I think that would not be 110%Awaits news about the Etihad £200m a year sponsorship deal
Lawyers guns and money.So what is happening with 115/130FC, anyway? I thought we were told to expect a judgement towards the end of last season .. what is the hold up?
Not sure how I missed this but Burnley are taking on Everton through the courts over Everton's breaching of PSR (which resulted in Burnley being relegated). Burnley would have been saved had Everton been docked the points in the season they committed the breaches. The original PSR decision effectively granted Burnley permission to take them on in court if they wanted to.
They're suing Everton for £50m.
Beyond this individual case, there could be an important precedent set here for 115/130 FC. Needless to say, I hope Burnley win, but I suspect they won't. I think they know that and were hoping Everton might settle out of court.
Being pragmatic about it, I don't think Burnley should win this one. Although I'd agree it would be fair if they did, I think the legal bar they will have to clear is too high - they'd need to show Everton benefitted from a sporting perspective to the extent that they (Everton) would have been relegated had they not spent like they did (too nebulous to prove) or else that the rules should have imposed the penalty retrospectively (which is a hard argument because, by becoming shareholders of the Premier League, Burnley effectively signed up to accept those rules as they were).
So I don't see them winning, which is not to say that a subsequent case against 115/130 FC wouldn't succeed, as in their case the sporting advantage argument will probably be easier to make (especially for a team that twice finished 1 point behind them). In that respect, the decision may be helpful to the bigger clubs as the reasoning of any decision will help them to build cases against City if they are penalised.
One of the big issues we used to have when dealing with FSG is that they needed to do forecasts for US tax purposes. The Red Sox numbers were, apparently, really easy to forecast with little scope for error, but ours were a nightmare. Even down to the last day of the season, the result of the final games could mean £millions in terms of Premier League merit income, to say nothing of the difference between qualifying for Champions League / other comps / no Europe (affecting player bonuses and sponsor payments etc).Surely these cases must be steering the game towards systems of real time accounting and monitoring?
It seems we're still living in an age where it makes more sense to overspend, beach rules and then try and defend yourself at a later date.
I hate that phrase 'too big to fail' Some of the biggest corporations in the world have gone under who thought they were too big to fail. And granted it's difficult to compare football clubs to businesses, yet that's what they are nowadays.OK, a bit more detail on United's results. I've focused on cash flow and debt.
Debt
So the first thing is that their net debt has actually reduced compared to last year, which should be a good thing. BUT, £40m of that reduction is due to a change in the USD / GBP exchange rate, which basically shrinks the GBP value of the Glazers' debt (which is in USD). So they haven't actually repaid that amount, it's just that the cost of repaying it, should they choose to, is lower than it was last year because the dollar has weakened against the pound (which, obviously, will be Joe Biden's fault).
And the second point is that JimBob put in £80m of new share capital in the year.
So, on face value, their net debt has reduced by £93m, that reduction was not funded by improved trading, but by new money from a shareholder and a bit of luck in the wider economy.
Cash flow
So this takes into account cash out the door that doesn't hit results straight away (mainly spending on capital assets and players where the expenses are spread over several years for accounts purposes). Bear in mind that this is BEFORE their summer spending.
Cash flow BEFORE financing is negative £202m. They generated £72m from their trading operations but then blew a net £230m on players (£278m out, £48m in) and spent £45m on capital projects.
They then had to balance the books by drawing down £130m on their bank facilities plus Jim's £80m of shares.
Now, the fact that their net debt has gone down despite raising more debt is because they have some future receipts on the books that reduces their net debt, about £100m more than last year. I don't really know what that stuff is to be honest.
Summary
What this is all telling us is that, regardless of the positive spin on their results, they are still spending something like £100m more than their cash-flow break-even limit, once any timing issues have been ironed out. And if they continue to do that, they're going to need a bigger debt pile because they only have £140m left to play with in their bank facilities.
One easy way to manage this would have been to rein in their spending this summer, but in effect what they did was maintain their player payable balances at about the same level. The last instalment on their summer 2023 spend would have been paid and would drop out of the debt balance, but they spent broadly the same amount this summer as they did in 2023, meaning the debt balance should be about the same.
Which means, unless trading improves drastically this year, they're going to eat into that remaining £140m on their debt facilities over the next 12 months.
Which means sacking Ruben, which will be expensive, is a difficult decision, especially if the new manager then wants to do a squad overhaul, which he almost certainly will.
So what they need to do is curtail their spending on transfers and, ideally, raise some fees from sales. They will also need to renegotiate their bank facilities to a higher number and, gulp, ask the Glazers to put some cash in (not gonna happen).
@Modo is right, they are too big to fail, but the struggle goes on.
EDIT
Having given it a bit more thought, they may get closer to break-even this year as:
1. Their capital spend should be lower than last year (but they still have the spectre of refurbishing / patching-up Old Trafford hanging over them)
2. They won't have the redundancy costs in this year's numbers, plus they'll have a full-year of wage savings from that process
However, they could still have a chunky manager replacement bill.
How the hell can a team playing in the French league be number 3 in the world for revenue? Considering what the two Spanish clubs plus the top EPL clubs earn from their respective domestic leagues, PSG must have even more fucked up commercial deals than City do.Man Utd announce record revenue despite poor form
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Manchester United's men's team are not competing in Europe this season
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Simon Stone
Chief football news reporter
Manchester United earned record financial revenue of £666.5m last year despite the poor on-pitch performance of their men's team.
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United finished 15th in the Premier League last season, their worst placing since the 1973-74 relegation campaign.
However, the start of their five-year front-of-shirt sponsorship deal with Snapdragon enabled them to post record commercial revenue of £333.3m, while matchday revenue was also a record at £160.3m in the year to 30 June 2025.
"To have generated record revenues during such a challenging year for the club demonstrates the resilience which is a hallmark of Manchester United," said chief executive Omar Berrada.
"As we settle into the 2025-26 season, we are working hard to improve the club in all areas."
Berrada did not reference United's poor start to the current campaign but says United are building "for the long term".
An overall loss of £33m represents a 70.8% reduction on the previous year, when the figure was £113.2m.
United say they "remain committed to, and in compliance with, both the Premier League's Profit and Sustainability Rules and Uefa's's Financial Fair Play Regulations".
In January Deloitte ranked United as having the fourth highest revenue in world football, based on the club's earnings of £651m from the previous year.
Real Madrid (£883m) were in first place, followed by Manchester City (£708m) and Paris St-Germain (£681m).
Commercial income on a par with City (LOL), broadcasting lower (obvs) but matchday (€170m) was bettered only by Madrid. And no, I've no idea where that number comes from, unless they do loads of summer concerts and other events, because the ground only takes about 47k people. Maybe they can also charge higher prices because they're the only top-tier team in Paris and demand exceeds supply.How the hell can a team playing in the French league be number 3 in the world for revenue? Considering what the two Spanish clubs plus the top EPL clubs earn from their respective domestic leagues, PSG must have even more fucked up commercial deals than City do.




Plus the past year has coincided with a general shift in the landscape, threats to boundaries and delivery systems, other mega-competitions mushrooming up. Do you really want to pursue and potentially discredit your eight-time champions like this? Is your product really so robust and discrete you can afford the consequences?
Those photographs of the Indonesian tribes people's dead relatives are insane/amazing.A year on, Manchester City’s legal experts have the Premier League in a corner
Barney Ronay
Happy one-year anniversary! How has it been? How do you feel? More, or less, in love? Have you counted down the days? Are you happier, wiser, more centred, like a man in a porridge advert going for a soulful morning run in a sunlit cul-de-sac?
Perhaps, to offer another perspective, you feel so viscerally nauseated at the prospect of leafing through the pre-planned partisan responses to a highly complex piece of legal wrangling there’s a danger your own intestines will liquefy and snort out of your nostrils straight into the toaster. Who knows? Maybe that was the point all along.
Either way, as of this week it is one year since the start of the Manchester City charges tribunal. Remember that old thing? The 115 charges, later upgraded to more than 130. Remember the sense of something urgent and real in train, but which already feels like a period piece, the kind of thing you might see on a clip-based nostalgia show, like Ocean Colour Scene or the Ebola virus?
A year is a long time in tribunal world, not least because if you follow football in any way you are ultimately paying for it. As such that anniversary probably deserves to be marked in some ceremonial sense, like the Torajan tribepeople in Indonesia who exhume their dead every year and dress them in new clothes, have a chat and pose for family photos. Perhaps we should be out there dusting off Lord Dyson or similar, sticking a cigarette between his lips, parading him about in a sedan chair.
Except, the Torajans don’t do this solely out of fondness or love, but also out of fear, reverence for the gods, anxiety over future rice harvests. And this feels about right for the Premier League at the end of its year of vast expense and gruelling mental fatigue, all of it shot through by now with the sense City have already won this process, in more ways than one.
This has by now become something of a joke on the football periphery. Why has it taken so long? The charges relate to financial reporting, employee remuneration and profitability and sustainability regulation. How hard can it be to resolve this?
Actually very hard, and this is normal. As someone with a professional insight into the process of corporate law, there is, to use a technical term, masses of complex bullshit to wade through. One semi-dead case at my old law firm had been going on for eight years, much of that time taken up dusting off files in a south-coast hangar and aggressively ranking local seafood restaurants.
But this is, of course, very far from a joke. By now that basic expanse of time is significant in itself. Time is money. Lots of time is lots of money. It has been estimated the Premier League’s bill for legal expenses over the past five years could be as high as £200m. The Nottingham Forest and Everton stuff has also happened. Chelsea are even now dealing with historical regulatory breaches under the ownership of an oligarch widely viewed as Kremlin-connected that, frankly, nobody could have foreseen and that’s all just fine.
It is also important to state explicitly that there is no evidence Manchester City have used complex litigation tactics to delay and wear down their opponents. Nobody has any cause to say this. There is a word for that tactic which is not, as far as anyone knows, in play here, and that term is lawfare, a practice familiar to rich and powerful entities faced with inconvenient regulation.
We know from defamation law what a Slapp suit is, also known as strategic litigation against public participation, described in the UK parliament as “a suite of litigious techniques, designed to intimidate, suppress and destroy” those in its path. Cases become endlessly complex. Related claims are submitted. Settlements are dangled, costs weaponised. You do want the pain to stop, don’t you?
This process has been identified by parliament as a threat to democracy, also known in some circles as “the tyranny of the majority”. Again there is no evidence City have any interest in this, or are doing anything other than defending their right to go about their business.
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A leaked email said Manchester City chair Khaldoon al-Mubarak ‘would rather spend £30m on the 50 best lawyers in the world to sue for the next 10 years’ than submit to Uefa’s financial prodding. Photograph: Andrew Yates/AP
Well, there’s only arms-length and disputed evidence, such as the leaked historical email from Simon Cliff, City’s legal kingpin, that suggested the club’s chair Khaldoon al-Mubarak “would rather spend £30m on the 50 best lawyers in the world to sue for the next 10 years” than submit to Uefa’s financial prodding. There was the unrelated comment in October 2024 that the league’s plan to update its rules rather than collapsing them was “an unwise course [which] would likely to lead to further legal proceedings with further legal costs”. Again. You do want it to stop, don’t you?
There is also the no doubt unintended consequences of City’s subsequent legal challenges to the associated party transaction rules, which both sides have claimed victory over, City despite failing on most of their points (again, this happens: just raise lots of points).
It was hard to understand exactly what the ultimate intention was here. The Lawyer magazine has noted City were “particularly eager for shareholder loans to be calculated retrospectively under the new rules”, despite having previously voted in favour of existing rules on that. This will now not happen. It would explain in part why the league feels it came out relatively unscathed, because this would have basically tied it in knots, a potential review of every loan to every club by every shareholder, a process that could have effectively collapsed its ability to function.
And this is all unsustainable in the long term. It’s a nightmare for the Premier League, which is not a legal entity but a light-entertainment production company whose rules are written in clear type, agreed to by everyone, and not really intended to be countered quite so aggressively. It’s a nightmare for its chief executive Richard Masters, who must have thought he was becoming a TV rights administrator, not a wartime prime minister. The clubs gave his predecessor a golden goodbye as a thank you. Masters’ key gift so far is a series of fraught legal briefings and, probably, an ulcer.
By now City and their world-class squad of legal experts have the Premier League in a corner, intentionally or not. Even if they are substantively punished, which increasingly just feels unlikely given the timeframe and the brilliance of City’s legal team, there remains the threat of an appeal. Come. Keep coming. Follow us into the plains towards Moscow. How deep are your coffers? How strong is your will?
More widely this already feels like a victory for the dominant paradigm in every other part of modern life: a victory for billionaire culture, for the idea of rules as a suggestion for the powerless.
And also for populism, for hard power masked by obfuscation. There is something wretched about the hot-button shouting tagged to the legal process by City’s mouthpieces, a rag-bag of stuff about elites, cartels and victimisation of the overclass.
Chuck in the free-market libertarian nonsense, the “commercial freedom” ideas parroted around this issue by people who don’t understand what a free market is (clue: it’s not a government spending above market on its propaganda project. This is market distortion. This is the command economy, chaps).
But then, this is just a glimpse through the lens of the autocratic billionaire life. This is l’état c’est nous. It’s the opposite of sport, and of the flawed but necessary machinery of semi-regulated capitalism. It skirts around the essential, as-yet unprocessed question of why a government would want to own a football club in the first place.
By now the best outcome for English football as a business entity is probably a settlement and a fudge. In realpolitik terms, everyone just needs it to stop. There is a suspicion, unfounded in hard facts, that there has already been horse trading around this, which may or may not be possible given the basic notion of an independent tribunal.
What does seem certain is the outcome will not harm City’s project in any real sense, that the prospect of punishment has already lent it purpose and drive, binding adversity, conspiracy waffle, victim energy. Booing the overclass, raising your fists to the cartel, this is all deeply exhilarating. Twelve months on it is hard to see an outcome where even losing, nominally, technically, has any real meaning.


