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We've got other work to do obviously, but at the moment id give them better chances than us.
probably but the jury is very much out on their big buy up front and the performance against united was nothing special. they’ve definitely not rocked their boat though, just added some more crew.
I think Arsenal are winning the league this year - I think we’re replacing too much, too quickly and too late in the window in some cases to get the team working effectively.
I don’t see us going on that consistent early season run that effectively got us the title last season.
That saying, I think we’ll be better in the long run and I expect us to finish the season strongly - so if we’re still involved in the race by Feb we could do it.
I still see a CL win as a more likely outcome this season.
I don’t see us going on that consistent early season run that effectively got us the title last season.
That saying, I think we’ll be better in the long run and I expect us to finish the season strongly - so if we’re still involved in the race by Feb we could do it.
I still see a CL win as a more likely outcome this season.
Agree in many respects, but after the opening round of fixtures I can't help wondering whether Citeh might be a better bet than the Arse after all.
City will hit a brick wall without a proper break and still look shite at the back.
Arsenal have all the flair of a mosquito.
We’re winning it.
Fannies.
Maybe - I think we’ll get more of an idea where City are at this weekend when they play a stronger team.
Wolves aren’t very good and look like they’ll struggle again this season.
This is basically my opening line in the other games thread which should be landing in the next few minutes.
I always knew you were an knowledgeable and insightful sort of person despite what the rest of the site thinks.
Cheers babe.
Very good read that.
I will once again state my opinion that a luxury tax system similar to Major League Baseball makes the most sense.
Let teams spend what they want, with significant tax penalties for amounts over a certain value. The tax shall be distributed to lesser clubs and down the pyramid.
Especially if the Diarra case leads to contract terminations and lesser fees to selling clubs, this only makes more sense.
Regulation is essential. The current system is full of holes. A hard cap doesn't make sense given the transnational, open nature of the sport.
Let teams spend what they want, with significant tax penalties for amounts over a certain value. The tax shall be distributed to lesser clubs and down the pyramid.
Especially if the Diarra case leads to contract terminations and lesser fees to selling clubs, this only makes more sense.
Regulation is essential. The current system is full of holes. A hard cap doesn't make sense given the transnational, open nature of the sport.
How can anyone seriously think PSR doesn't prevent the likes of Villa and Newcastle from spending money?! That's what it's designed for!
FFP and now PSR were always just the big clubs circling the wagons to create a cartel. Just because we're one of the beneficiaries doesn't mean we have to pretend otherwise.
And, of course, it's absolute fucking bullshit to pretend that any alternative must be some kind of free for all. You could have any kind of regulation you wanted.
FFP and now PSR were always just the big clubs circling the wagons to create a cartel. Just because we're one of the beneficiaries doesn't mean we have to pretend otherwise.
And, of course, it's absolute fucking bullshit to pretend that any alternative must be some kind of free for all. You could have any kind of regulation you wanted.
You can’t blame PSR when clubs are spunking the likes of £25 million on Doak. Yes, we’ve benefited but the whole transfer market is fucked.
That's just the somehow ever increasing amounts of tv money being pumped into clubs. It's price inflation.
clubs get ever increasing revenue and still moan. When clubs like Villa spend somewhere in the region on 97% of turnover on wages they lose any claim of injustice with the rules.
What's justice got to do with anything? It's meant to be a competitive league. I suppose at least in England we've got 3 naturally very big clubs who can all roughly match each other, plus Chelsea and City who seem to have more or less established themselves now.
So it's a much better situation than most leagues, and therefore the stifling effect of PSR is limited a bit. I'd still prefer more competition though, really, if I were a neutral.
So it's a much better situation than most leagues, and therefore the stifling effect of PSR is limited a bit. I'd still prefer more competition though, really, if I were a neutral.
It is competitive. Most of the clubs in the league are the top 30 highest earning clubs on the world. They just use that money on shit.
Their fans feel they should spend whatever the fuck they like and let their owners pump in whatever they want. Even adding a luxury tax will be seen as another cost of doing business to them.
Letting any club spend what they want will see lots of clubs go under.
Their fans feel they should spend whatever the fuck they like and let their owners pump in whatever they want. Even adding a luxury tax will be seen as another cost of doing business to them.
Letting any club spend what they want will see lots of clubs go under.
I don't think many people except Villa and Newcastle fans are arguing for clubs to spend whatever they want. And even if they did it's easy enough to say any money owners inject has to be equity and not debt.
Is there enough competition? Maybe. I think it's arguable. What I think is clear is it's very very difficult for a challenger club to become a title challenger. Both Villa and Newcastle generally spent very well, well beyond their means and under good management, and still didn't really get very close to being a title challenger
Newcastle have spent half a billion and Villa close to it. They haven’t spent it well.
I don't remember too many bad signings either have made?
Go through their teams and think they are actually worth half a billion.
It's very difficult, but not impossible. Even us, with our spending since the early 90s have never really been a consistent title contender. A few years here or there, but never a prolonged spell. In fact all the teams haven't really been consistent challengers for the duration. Theres no reason why with sensible investments and slow building that teams cant get to that level. The problem stems from the "win now" mentality that all clubs have. Others are more braced for if they don't "win now".
You shouldnt' be throwing out long term security and growth for a flash in the pan season. Leeds did it, Leicester did it, Newcastle in the 90s did it, and villa are in the middle of doing it.
Leon bailey cost villa 30m, and they've loaned him out 2 years later for 3m is a high profile recent example of the fuck ups
They signed Morgan Rogers for £8m 18 months ago. How many signings that good have we made recently?
But we both know these are just outliers. Both clubs' spending has seemed to be pretty good as far as I remember. Certainly not wasteful like Utd or Chelsea, at the absolute minimum.
Come on mate, it's virtually impossible. Like you say, it's actually pretty hard even for us. For a Villa or Everton it's almost impossible.
I agree it's highly improbable, but not impossible. The key is consistent CL qualification, win a few trophies. Cunts are hoping to go from 6th to title in as few a steps as possible.
Newcastle could have been primed this summer. Sell Isak early, reinvest in Sesko (or Ekitike), wissa and elanga. Maybe another CB. Try and go far in the CL, win a domestic, finish top 4. Next season, sell someone else, buy replacements on the cusp, repeat.
The more they earn, the more they could spend. They've got the infrastructure, they've got a big fan base, iconic players. But they don't want to. They fucked it at the admin level and now they're unravelling.
I agree. Most of the signings have performed reasonably well. They may have not optimized finding value in the market and have paid what they thought necessary to get the players they wanted, but they have not made failed signings that cost £70M or more.
PSR was brought in to close shop on the cartel AND prevent clubs from doing a Leeds or Portsmouth.
It has essentially been successful in both regards. The latter aim is an obvious good; the first much less so.
Clubs do need to be protected from themselves. But at the same time, the inherent and entrenched inequality in revenue generation power shouldn't enforce a historical hierarchy in perpetuity.
It has essentially been successful in both regards. The latter aim is an obvious good; the first much less so.
Clubs do need to be protected from themselves. But at the same time, the inherent and entrenched inequality in revenue generation power shouldn't enforce a historical hierarchy in perpetuity.
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