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Your Party (UK)
Ideology and policies
There will be an inaugural conference to decide the party's policies, but in a joint statement on the launch website[20] Corbyn and Sultana mentioned wealth redistribution, nationalisation, investing in social housing and opposing the privatisation of the National Health Service. It is also expected to call for an end to the sale of arms to Israel, action against climate change and protection of the right to protest.[7]
Following the launch, Corbyn also stressed a focus on grassroots organisation.[7] A former Labour councillor, Amna Abdullatif, stated that support for Gaza will be central to the party.[5]
Prior to the official launch, one of the organisers, Pamela Fitzpatrick, said that the party would have a "ruthless" and "unapologetic" socialist platform that went beyond the 2019 manifesto of the Labour Party, then led by Corbyn.[21]
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Ideology and policies
There will be an inaugural conference to decide the party's policies, but in a joint statement on the launch website[20] Corbyn and Sultana mentioned wealth redistribution, nationalisation, investing in social housing and opposing the privatisation of the National Health Service. It is also expected to call for an end to the sale of arms to Israel, action against climate change and protection of the right to protest.[7]
Following the launch, Corbyn also stressed a focus on grassroots organisation.[7] A former Labour councillor, Amna Abdullatif, stated that support for Gaza will be central to the party.[5]
Prior to the official launch, one of the organisers, Pamela Fitzpatrick, said that the party would have a "ruthless" and "unapologetic" socialist platform that went beyond the 2019 manifesto of the Labour Party, then led by Corbyn.[21]
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The issue that this party will have to be careful of is who actually joins it and therefore influences it.
They have Corbyn at the top. Okay, everyone's cup of tea at all, but at least he is a well-known figure.
Below that, it remains to be seen.
Their big risk is that they attract a lot of people who are too interested in politics already. That makes their approach nowhere near broad enough because then they are only speaking to other people who are already too interested in politics.
Parties on the left are more likely to do this anyway, because they have a habit of placing their principles ahead of their electoral chances. Parties on the right or centre are more likely to just want to win so will seek out what the voters want. Parties on the left will try to educate voters, forgetting that most people have no desire to be educated.
It becomes more and more of a problem if those people involved are interested in something very narrow that most people simply don't connect with at all. But that issue is why they got involved so they aren't giving it up in a hurry.
Ultimately we will wait and see what happens but I'm not sure the signs are great.
They have Corbyn at the top. Okay, everyone's cup of tea at all, but at least he is a well-known figure.
Below that, it remains to be seen.
Their big risk is that they attract a lot of people who are too interested in politics already. That makes their approach nowhere near broad enough because then they are only speaking to other people who are already too interested in politics.
Parties on the left are more likely to do this anyway, because they have a habit of placing their principles ahead of their electoral chances. Parties on the right or centre are more likely to just want to win so will seek out what the voters want. Parties on the left will try to educate voters, forgetting that most people have no desire to be educated.
It becomes more and more of a problem if those people involved are interested in something very narrow that most people simply don't connect with at all. But that issue is why they got involved so they aren't giving it up in a hurry.
Ultimately we will wait and see what happens but I'm not sure the signs are great.
I've signed up. I think all the ingredients are there for Corbyn and Sultana to make real waves with this. There's a massive vacuum for a principled, left wing party, and with some savvy nominations and campaigning, they would seize seats across large portions of the North West, Wales and Scotland pretty quickly. The lowering of the voting age will help, too. The worse case scenario is it does well enough to give the Labour leadership some sleepless nights and cause to reflect on what they actually stand for (if anything).
It'll be interesting to see how much airtime they're given compared to the other parties.
I remember UKIP and then Reform were always given a load of airtime even though they had much fewer council seats than what the Green party had. And now look where we are.
I remember UKIP and then Reform were always given a load of airtime even though they had much fewer council seats than what the Green party had. And now look where we are.
Violent criminal leaves safe country to enter foreign lands.
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Police seek Tommy Robinson after alleged assault at London station
Far-right activist is thought to have left UK after claiming in video that injured man had attacked him at St Pancras
I've seen similar statements over the last week. But its not apples with apples here.
Every party bar 'Your Party' has paid membership.
Your Party is more like a online subscription, which I'd wager a lot will 'unsubscribe' if they are ever asked to pay.
Said before and I'll say again, Corbyn is not PM material. All this is doing is giving Reform *spits* an open goal to Downing Street.
Jesus fucking wept. I might start looking at looking for jobs abroad.
I get that but it’s shows there is a huge movement here for real left politics. Not the blue Labour shite.
It’s Labour which are helping reform, not the new party. Labour are fucked here. That’s coming from one of the safest areas they had.
I’ve the utmost respect for Zarah Sultana and it seems like she’s having more and more following her.
It’s Labour which are helping reform, not the new party. Labour are fucked here. That’s coming from one of the safest areas they had.
I’ve the utmost respect for Zarah Sultana and it seems like she’s having more and more following her.
Ultimately I see having four parties (even including the likes of Reform) as generally a positive and hope it will move politics more towards a PR style system, or at least power sharing between two parties. Nothings perfect, it's impossible for only two electable parties to cover the entire views of the political spectrum, leaving millions either politically homeless and either refusing to, or reluctantly voting. You also have tens of MPs forced to vote for policy they disagree with or will not benefit their constituency. It's just fucked. . I was in favour of them moving towards the centre (albeit against their purging of the left) to get elected and keep the Conservatives out, but I was only willing to compromise some values and principles for some political savviness and competence about maintaining power. I've seen nothing from this Labour party to suggest they are on track to be a majority party at the next election. They needed to be extremely tough on illegal immigration (visibly so as much as in practice), take the international lead on condemning Israel's atrocities in Gaza (unlikely, but they could have been swifter and faster), and start to grow the economy whilst ring-fencing the most vulnerable people in society. They've generally fucked or been luke-warm on every major issue that matters to anyone in the country. The landslide electoral win was always build on shaky ground and they've done nothing to firm up those foundations since gaining the keys to number ten. I am nervous about Reform, but there would also be something very satisfying about the real left coming back and striking real fear into this Labour party.
Having a hung parliament should heal politics in this country to some extent and stop this constant mud slinging across the parties. It should be parties working together for the good of the country. However, the media will never allow it. They make too much money from ragebaiting the public which has managed to give the rise to Brexit and Reform.
I hate how much air time is given to immigration. It’s not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. The bill for immigration is so high because of austerity. Having better processes and people in place to have quicker turnarounds in reviewing applications would mean no more hotels and all that shit. That could be said about a lot of things where public life touches the civil service.
I hate how much air time is given to immigration. It’s not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. The bill for immigration is so high because of austerity. Having better processes and people in place to have quicker turnarounds in reviewing applications would mean no more hotels and all that shit. That could be said about a lot of things where public life touches the civil service.
I mean the last hung parliament have us conservatives and lib dems austerity. *shudders*
Also regard to immigration. It depends where you are. Im unfortunate enough to live in a town where hotels were taken over by immigrants (both Holiday Inns and the local standalone hotel). So it is an issue here. And yes there have been accusations of girls being followed and harassed by them too.
It is an issue for pockets of the country for sure.
I had no idea we had one of these local immigration hotel till this summer in our town till the local nutters started protesting out there. Now I don’t know which lot more scary, the immigrants inside the hotel whom told are all potential threats or the those outside wanting to protect the local gals from them.
The Lib Dems sold their soul to the devil and probably took the party back 20 years.
I live a matter of minutes away from one of the first riots in Knowsley. I can walk round there and show anyone that migrants aren’t the issue. Austerity has been the problem, which does go back to your first point. Policy decisions over the last 15 years has made this an emotive subject which is being used to drive narrative and get undesirable people into positions of power.
Yesterday Fartage was in front of the cameras yet again spouting lies. Why do they come here? Apparently it’s 99% chance they stay (it’s more like 47%), they get everything for free and they get to work illegally. Why would you work when you get everything for free? The reason they get healthcare is because we should be humane and it’s better than the alternative which is let them die. This only applies to asylum seekers as other immigrants have to pay for services.
The same voices talk about skin colour/background of some sexual predators and they completely ignore the other 70%+ if those predators who are white. Even when it’s on their own doorstep. I’ve had 4 messages from my kid’s school about suspected individuals hanging round the area. There are 7 schools in a fairly tight area. Not one involved an immigrant.
We need immigration, we need to invest in processing asylum claims quicker and helping those who are able to stay to contribute to the economy. If we don’t have those things then we will see pension age and taxes rises to cope with the aging population.
These people aren’t the drain on society. It’s the super rich hoarding assets, taking our money out of the economy and paying mouthpieces to blame those in most of need.
Gary Stevenson?
I agree with him that our money has been given to the super rich, especially during lockdown and that our taxation system sucks but not sure he’s actually put forward a real workable policy on the matter.
Was just wondering if was him, is all. Yeah, not sure on what his solution really is, but he's good at framing the problem in a different light.
I'm usually utterly uninterested in the flag waving that goes on.
I saw a few vids of blokes painting roundabouts and putting up flags, thought whatever.
Have been travelling last few days around the midlands.
Tons of flags on bridges, lampposts just hundreds of them.
A good few roundabouts also.
Great, people can be super proud of their heritage and flags etc but seems it's fuelled by racism and far right tendencies.
Exciting times ahead
I saw a few vids of blokes painting roundabouts and putting up flags, thought whatever.
Have been travelling last few days around the midlands.
Tons of flags on bridges, lampposts just hundreds of them.
A good few roundabouts also.
Great, people can be super proud of their heritage and flags etc but seems it's fuelled by racism and far right tendencies.
Exciting times ahead
I've not joined the flag waving bandwagon. However I have always been at unease with the automatic assumption that if you raise a flag, you must be part of the BNP.
Yet during football tournaments, they are all flown with no mention to it.
Other countries have a deep affinity to their flag. In the US for example, you can barely turn a corner without seeing one.
I think flag to house ratio is important though. Any more than 1 flag and you are probably a racist wanker.
I think it’s obvious for the reason why now and whom has instigated. Painting crappy looking crude flags above Indian restaurents and while shouting racist at Hijabi woman and then in a seperate incident firebombing a restaurent all in same weekend is a dangerous pattern.
It maybe normal to fly flags suddenly in UK for those that don’t look a certain way, currently it seems we are heading down an uncomfortable intollerant path not known to UK. Flying a flag isn’t going to build more houses, bring more jobs or a better NHS. It will only lead to one thing and the rich driving it will sell it to you as that. It’s tacky as fck too, if my neighbour flew a flag 24/7, I know what it means and let’s not pretend otherwise as some sudden new found pride over Aug.
*Stares in Belfast*
Yup and I largely agree.
Its usually a load of screaming and shouting, from both sides.
Dunno, just feels with rise of Reform/right wing politics & the constant anti immigration/asylum chat that goes on its a little more than national pride in a flag.
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I may be catastrophising, but with the riots last year, the issues at asylum 'hotel'
Issues across the country and the world it feels like a ramping up of specific rhetoric
I always used to wonder how something like what happened 1930s Germany could happen in a civlized world at such a large scale growing up. Concerns with what’s going on with Gaza, ICE and this found nationslism, what point does populus just excuse “deport them” to deal with anyone not considered genetically of “origin”.
I don't think the current flag flying is entirely a racist thing, although some of it certainly is.
I think a lot of it is people searching for a grievance wherever they can find it. Sticking up a load of flags hoping that a Council or a police force or whoever will take them down or tell them to stop putting them up so they can then feel offended and kick up a fuss.
Bonus points of course for the flag Installers who can catch people on camera removing them, put it on YouTube and rile up a few thousand more people.
At least as far as I can see, there aren't a huge number of flags going up in houses. They are hung over road bridges or on lampposts or whatever. The kind of places where local authorities are more likely to remove them.
I say it's not racist as such in the minds of a lot of people who do it, but there is clearly an element of it, which is stirred up by Farage and Reform. The nastiness will only get worse, at least for a while.
I think a lot of it is people searching for a grievance wherever they can find it. Sticking up a load of flags hoping that a Council or a police force or whoever will take them down or tell them to stop putting them up so they can then feel offended and kick up a fuss.
Bonus points of course for the flag Installers who can catch people on camera removing them, put it on YouTube and rile up a few thousand more people.
At least as far as I can see, there aren't a huge number of flags going up in houses. They are hung over road bridges or on lampposts or whatever. The kind of places where local authorities are more likely to remove them.
I say it's not racist as such in the minds of a lot of people who do it, but there is clearly an element of it, which is stirred up by Farage and Reform. The nastiness will only get worse, at least for a while.
Prepare yourselves for Farage. I'm a lifelong Labour supporter, there's no way I'm voting Starmer again. Of course I would never vote Tory or, even worse, Reform. But, Reform are defo going to be the largest party at the next election, no doubt.
In terms of the worst Govts we've ever had, this Labour Govt is worse than Sunak, not as bad as Johnson, May and Cameron.
They ran on a promise of change. There's been none. All these cunts have in their locker is higher taxes. The sooner they're gone the better.
This country is a mess.
We can't afford the welfare bill, we can't afford the NHS bill, we can't afford the population we have. I'm a left-winger but nothing will change until we admit that.
In terms of the worst Govts we've ever had, this Labour Govt is worse than Sunak, not as bad as Johnson, May and Cameron.
They ran on a promise of change. There's been none. All these cunts have in their locker is higher taxes. The sooner they're gone the better.
This country is a mess.
We can't afford the welfare bill, we can't afford the NHS bill, we can't afford the population we have. I'm a left-winger but nothing will change until we admit that.
I have never voted Labour and won't, but I can't quite bring myself to say the sooner they are gone the better, given that Reform would be the ones taking over.
If the parliament runs to the end, which it might, then that is almost another 4 years. Hard to believe this government has been there for such a short time, I know.
The point is that there are a lot of things that could happen and stop happening within 4 years. The rise of Reform may have actually come a little too early for them.
If the parliament runs to the end, which it might, then that is almost another 4 years. Hard to believe this government has been there for such a short time, I know.
The point is that there are a lot of things that could happen and stop happening within 4 years. The rise of Reform may have actually come a little too early for them.
Agree. They'll have been in charge of quite a large number of local councils for a while by then and people will be closely watching how they do.
It’s a long way to go. In three years we may, just may, see differences in the country and people notice these incremental improvements the government is making. I know it’s a well worn line but it’s going to take a few parliaments to reverse austerity.
Labour aren’t helping themselves though and they’ve made some awful policy decisions and their PR fucking sucks.
Labour aren’t helping themselves though and they’ve made some awful policy decisions and their PR fucking sucks.
And so easy to do what they want, last year attack some immigrant hotels… now fly some flags pls… wait for next instructions.
