Have we really spent our money well?
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401544#msg1401544 date=1316381666]
Oncy I think you and I are the only ones who wanted for us to keep Aqua and Raul
[/quote]And Krump. Krump loves sexy footballers who can (ya know)pass, score, dribble etc.
The whacky bastard.
Oncy I think you and I are the only ones who wanted for us to keep Aqua and Raul
[/quote]And Krump. Krump loves sexy footballers who can (ya know)pass, score, dribble etc.
The whacky bastard.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401499#msg1401499 date=1316379877]
Maybe we should have given Roy Hodgson a full season too bedew judging him?
Give me a break, if something is as obvious as day infront of me, I'm gonna acknowledge it.
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Haha, indeed. Maybe we should have given Poulsen and Konchesky a full season as well.
Maybe we should have given Roy Hodgson a full season too bedew judging him?
Give me a break, if something is as obvious as day infront of me, I'm gonna acknowledge it.
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Haha, indeed. Maybe we should have given Poulsen and Konchesky a full season as well.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401544#msg1401544 date=1316381666]
Oncy I think you and I are the only ones who wanted for us to keep Aqua and Raul
[/quote] Oi
Oncy I think you and I are the only ones who wanted for us to keep Aqua and Raul
[/quote] Oi
70m on Carroll Henderson and Downing was madness, not because they are bad players or without potential it's more that against the opposition we need to beat they are not better than the players they are facing. I wanted us to spend money on real class and as of yet that ain't it.
Selling meirelles just adds ironic insult to the injury.
Selling meirelles just adds ironic insult to the injury.
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401544#msg1401544 date=1316381666]
Oncy I think you and I are the only ones who wanted for us to keep Aqua and Raul
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Er, Hello?
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Yeah LR, it was just you and Andy? Riiiiiight.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401544#msg1401544 date=1316381666]
Oncy I think you and I are the only ones who wanted for us to keep Aqua and Raul
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Er, Hello?
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Yeah LR, it was just you and Andy? Riiiiiight.
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RedZeppelin
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The thing is , the club , owners etc talk of building a team for the future ...but what is the goal for this team ? Is it just to get Champions league football and be a top 6 team ? Personally i want more , are we not expected to challenge for the league in future or ? Cause I really can't see this team raising it's game and consistency to do that like the club seem to believe they will.
God I hope I am wrong .
God I hope I am wrong .
Of course we haven't spent our money well.
I see the old 'judge us in 10 games in back'. Deja fucking vu or what?
I see the old 'judge us in 10 games in back'. Deja fucking vu or what?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46910.msg1401782#msg1401782 date=1316429250]
Had Rafa spent 35M on Carroll, 20M on Henderson, etc etc... Rosco would be somthering him in lard and deepfrying the cunt rightaboutnow.
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tbf to ross hes always said he think we bought wrong
if it was rafa it would have been added to the catalogue of bad buys, but because its kenny hes not been all guns blazing and he's giving him a chance
i think
Had Rafa spent 35M on Carroll, 20M on Henderson, etc etc... Rosco would be somthering him in lard and deepfrying the cunt rightaboutnow.
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tbf to ross hes always said he think we bought wrong
if it was rafa it would have been added to the catalogue of bad buys, but because its kenny hes not been all guns blazing and he's giving him a chance
i think
I look at them at most of them as long term signings - Carroll (22), Henderson (21), Adam (25), Enrique (25), Coates (20). Have a look at how they're doing in three years time and then judge whether it was money well spent.
The signs with Carroll are all incredibly worrying right now. He looks slow, weak and shit. It's pathetic.
Henderson is a player we didn't really need right now, but I think it will turn out well anyway. Adam is what he is, a decent midfielder with dead ball skills. He needs to adapt his game a bit but he's a reliable enough sort. Coates is a highly promising centre back.
The way the Premiership is at the moment it's unrealistic to expect us to challenge for the title every year , we could only do that by consistently overspending. So the sensible thing to do then is to buy players with a specific window of opportunity in mind (probably starting in 2012). Taking into account the expected development of the likes Shelvey and Sterling and maybe a couple of others, along with the signings we've made recently - if things develop as people think they might (and Carroll turns out fine) we've got the basis of a very good side and time to add to it.
It's that line of thinking that has me convinced that Downing is a massive waste of money, I think he's going to be shit in three years time and will need replacing. So for me it's 20m we've wasted to make us a little less mediocre while winning nothing. Contrast that with the signing of Bellamy - he makes us a little better but doesn't cost us a fortune. Two stopgap signings, one example of how to do it well and one example of how not to do it. I would have preferred to keep Meireles but again I don't think he'll be up to much in three years time, so I'm not that bothered.
I definitely think right now that we overpaid for Henderson, Downing and Carroll - massively so, but I think we're still giving ourselves an opportunity down the road to challenge. There seems to be a plan in place, it may not work but I think we're actually approaching the task sensibly for the first time since I reached adulthood.
Essentially the signings weren't designed to make us immediately better, so I'm not going to get all upset about them just yet - even though I am beginning to hate Andy Carroll.
The signs with Carroll are all incredibly worrying right now. He looks slow, weak and shit. It's pathetic.
Henderson is a player we didn't really need right now, but I think it will turn out well anyway. Adam is what he is, a decent midfielder with dead ball skills. He needs to adapt his game a bit but he's a reliable enough sort. Coates is a highly promising centre back.
The way the Premiership is at the moment it's unrealistic to expect us to challenge for the title every year , we could only do that by consistently overspending. So the sensible thing to do then is to buy players with a specific window of opportunity in mind (probably starting in 2012). Taking into account the expected development of the likes Shelvey and Sterling and maybe a couple of others, along with the signings we've made recently - if things develop as people think they might (and Carroll turns out fine) we've got the basis of a very good side and time to add to it.
It's that line of thinking that has me convinced that Downing is a massive waste of money, I think he's going to be shit in three years time and will need replacing. So for me it's 20m we've wasted to make us a little less mediocre while winning nothing. Contrast that with the signing of Bellamy - he makes us a little better but doesn't cost us a fortune. Two stopgap signings, one example of how to do it well and one example of how not to do it. I would have preferred to keep Meireles but again I don't think he'll be up to much in three years time, so I'm not that bothered.
I definitely think right now that we overpaid for Henderson, Downing and Carroll - massively so, but I think we're still giving ourselves an opportunity down the road to challenge. There seems to be a plan in place, it may not work but I think we're actually approaching the task sensibly for the first time since I reached adulthood.
Essentially the signings weren't designed to make us immediately better, so I'm not going to get all upset about them just yet - even though I am beginning to hate Andy Carroll.
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Sven is one of the worst posters we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful poster.
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Sven is one of the worst posters we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful poster.
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401748#msg1401748 date=1316426033]
For the record I wanted us to keep Alonso too.
I think I could do a better job than Camolli
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Wow, what's that got to do with anything, Alonso was determined to go, as was Mascherano. It remains to be seen how determined Meireles was
For the record I wanted us to keep Alonso too.
I think I could do a better job than Camolli
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Wow, what's that got to do with anything, Alonso was determined to go, as was Mascherano. It remains to be seen how determined Meireles was
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=46910.msg1401826#msg1401826 date=1316434137]
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Sven is one of the worst posters we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful poster.
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Ha !
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Sven is one of the worst posters we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful poster.
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Ha !
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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Using the usual logic I use when dealing with your posts, that would make Adam a truly World class talent and one of the best midfielders we have had in the last 10 years. With that in mind, please do try to calm down, he is not THAT good.
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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Using the usual logic I use when dealing with your posts, that would make Adam a truly World class talent and one of the best midfielders we have had in the last 10 years. With that in mind, please do try to calm down, he is not THAT good.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46910.msg1401821#msg1401821 date=1316433734]
I look at them at most of them as long term signings - Carroll (22), Henderson (21), Adam (25), Enrique (25), Coates (20). Have a look at how they're doing in three years time and then judge whether it was money well spent.
The signs with Carroll are all incredibly worrying right now. He looks slow, weak and shit. It's pathetic.
Henderson is a player we didn't really need right now, but I think it will turn out well anyway. Adam is what he is, a decent midfielder with dead ball skills. He needs to adapt his game a bit but he's a reliable enough sort. Coates is a highly promising centre back.
The way the Premiership is at the moment it's unrealistic to expect us to challenge for the title every year , we could only do that by consistently overspending. So the sensible thing to do then is to buy players with a specific window of opportunity in mind (probably starting in 2012). Taking into account the expected development of the likes Shelvey and Sterling and maybe a couple of others, along with the signings we've made recently - if things develop as people think they might (and Carroll turns out fine) we've got the basis of a very good side and time to add to it.
It's that line of thinking that has me convinced that Downing is a massive waste of money, I think he's going to be shit in three years time and will need replacing. So for me it's 20m we've wasted to make us a little less mediocre while winning nothing. Contrast that with the signing of Bellamy - he makes us a little better but doesn't cost us a fortune. Two stopgap signings, one example of how to do it well and one example of how not to do it. I would have preferred to keep Meireles but again I don't think he'll be up to much in three years time, so I'm not that bothered.
I definitely think right now that we overpaid for Henderson, Downing and Carroll - massively so, but I think we're still giving ourselves an opportunity down the road to challenge. There seems to be a plan in place, it may not work but I think we're actually approaching the task sensibly for the first time since I reached adulthood.
Essentially the signings weren't designed to make us immediately better, so I'm not going to get all upset about them just yet - even though I am beginning to hate Andy Carroll.
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Excellent post. Even though I don't agree entirely.
I look at them at most of them as long term signings - Carroll (22), Henderson (21), Adam (25), Enrique (25), Coates (20). Have a look at how they're doing in three years time and then judge whether it was money well spent.
The signs with Carroll are all incredibly worrying right now. He looks slow, weak and shit. It's pathetic.
Henderson is a player we didn't really need right now, but I think it will turn out well anyway. Adam is what he is, a decent midfielder with dead ball skills. He needs to adapt his game a bit but he's a reliable enough sort. Coates is a highly promising centre back.
The way the Premiership is at the moment it's unrealistic to expect us to challenge for the title every year , we could only do that by consistently overspending. So the sensible thing to do then is to buy players with a specific window of opportunity in mind (probably starting in 2012). Taking into account the expected development of the likes Shelvey and Sterling and maybe a couple of others, along with the signings we've made recently - if things develop as people think they might (and Carroll turns out fine) we've got the basis of a very good side and time to add to it.
It's that line of thinking that has me convinced that Downing is a massive waste of money, I think he's going to be shit in three years time and will need replacing. So for me it's 20m we've wasted to make us a little less mediocre while winning nothing. Contrast that with the signing of Bellamy - he makes us a little better but doesn't cost us a fortune. Two stopgap signings, one example of how to do it well and one example of how not to do it. I would have preferred to keep Meireles but again I don't think he'll be up to much in three years time, so I'm not that bothered.
I definitely think right now that we overpaid for Henderson, Downing and Carroll - massively so, but I think we're still giving ourselves an opportunity down the road to challenge. There seems to be a plan in place, it may not work but I think we're actually approaching the task sensibly for the first time since I reached adulthood.
Essentially the signings weren't designed to make us immediately better, so I'm not going to get all upset about them just yet - even though I am beginning to hate Andy Carroll.
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Excellent post. Even though I don't agree entirely.
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Squiggles
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We're still expected to go up three places in the league though.
We looked better last year under Kenny than we do right now.
We looked better last year under Kenny than we do right now.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401920#msg1401920 date=1316444205]
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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cheyrou, plessis, el zhar, spearing, and more
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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cheyrou, plessis, el zhar, spearing, and more
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401920#msg1401920 date=1316444205]
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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Uhm, any reason Sven is being responded to with logic? Or am I being whooshed?
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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Uhm, any reason Sven is being responded to with logic? Or am I being whooshed?
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46910.msg1401921#msg1401921 date=1316444274]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401920#msg1401920 date=1316444205]
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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cheyrou, plessis, el zhar, spearing, and more
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Spearing isn't remotely close to being on the list.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401920#msg1401920 date=1316444205]
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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cheyrou, plessis, el zhar, spearing, and more
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Spearing isn't remotely close to being on the list.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46910.msg1401926#msg1401926 date=1316444587]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46910.msg1401921#msg1401921 date=1316444274]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401920#msg1401920 date=1316444205]
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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cheyrou, plessis, el zhar, spearing, and more
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Spearing isn't remotely close to being on the list.
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True i was bein very harsh
but hes not a DM. Hes been converted into one. Like lucas was. Which is why it irks me when people start bleating on about spearing. He can play with lucas, not instead of
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46910.msg1401921#msg1401921 date=1316444274]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46910.msg1401920#msg1401920 date=1316444205]
[quote author=Sven link=topic=46910.msg1401824#msg1401824 date=1316434071]
Adam is one of the worst midfielders we have had in last 10 years. Absolutely awful player.
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That's no where near true.
Before you ask, Christian Poulsen off the top of my head
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cheyrou, plessis, el zhar, spearing, and more
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Spearing isn't remotely close to being on the list.
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True i was bein very harsh
but hes not a DM. Hes been converted into one. Like lucas was. Which is why it irks me when people start bleating on about spearing. He can play with lucas, not instead of
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