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Job security - arne

And yet he said last night apparently when asked about his job he said he was safe and has a great relationship with the owners. Even Klopp said his job was in danger when we had those bad runs and they were never this bad. We shouldnt even be talking about if/when he's sacked.. He should be gone since after last night
 


Stayed in my seat during HT last night watching on as Rio and Trey were balling it out to eachother, I said to the lad next to me there's fuck all point them being out there stood in the freezing cold, neither are going to see a minute on the pitch.

Besides playing Bradley out of need (2190 mins),

Nallo - 18 mins (2 red cards)
Danns - 135 min
Morton - 263 mins
McConnell - 269 mins
Rio - 296 mins
Nyoni - 408 mins
Elliott - 846 mins
Quansah - 1300 mins


(It appears to have been driven by necessity rather than choice.)

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And yet he said last night apparently when asked about his job he said he was safe and has a great relationship with the owners. Even Klopp said his job was in danger when we had those bad runs and they were never this bad. We shouldnt even be talking about if/when he's sacked.. He should be gone since after last night
Let's hope he's a liar, among many other things.
 
Genuine question here.

I was chatting with one of the lads I used to go the match with in the 90s - we're planning our Budapest trip (that's blind optimism for you). Anyway he & the other lads are all still season ticket holders, so I was asking him what it was like in the ground yesterday. I also asked him does he hear much "Slot out" talk at the ground & he says he doesn't and he thinks most people want to give him time. He is in the main stand if that makes a difference. He puts the slot out stuff to social media madness.

I'm making no judgement (though, as I have said before, apart from Woy, I have never wanted a Liverpool manager sacked and that is still the case), but I'm interested in other peoples observations of the match going crowd. I know @MomoWASright was there last night and he has clearly deserted his army and is full on Slot out, and @Woland is a regular, who wants to eviscerate the man - so that's a 100% anti Slot position from a sample size of 2 on here, but then we know this forum is oddball and not exactly a perfect reflection of normal society.

So what's the story in the ground?
 
In terms of conversation I can only speak to a few very busy pubs and a load of people walking away from the ground and an SUV full of angry men on the way home but every single person would like the cunt fucked off yesterday.
 
Genuine question here.

I was chatting with one of the lads I used to go the match with in the 90s - we're planning our Budapest trip (that's blind optimism for you). Anyway he & the other lads are all still season ticket holders, so I was asking him what it was like in the ground yesterday. I also asked him does he hear much "Slot out" talk at the ground & he says he doesn't and he thinks most people want to give him time. He is in the main stand if that makes a difference. He puts the slot out stuff to social media madness.

I'm making no judgement (though, as I have said before, apart from Woy, I have never wanted a Liverpool manager sacked and that is still the case), but I'm interested in other peoples observations of the match going crowd. I know @MomoWASright was there last night and he has clearly deserted his army and is full on Slot out, and @Woland is a regular, who wants to eviscerate the man - so that's a 100% anti Slot position from a sample size of 2 on here, but then we know this forum is oddball and not exactly a perfect reflection of normal society.

So what's the story in the ground?
I only watched the game intermittently last night (due to broadband issue) but in the time I did watch I think I only heard one Arne Slot chant. I suspect there’s a move toward apathy rather than revolt at the moment. The thing that’s changed so much in the last 20 years is the criticality of Champions League qualification. Year by year it’s become an ever increasing pressure for finance. You could “ride out” the odd year if you had a plan and an understood it was a “blip”. Now chances can’t be taken
 
Genuine question here.

I was chatting with one of the lads I used to go the match with in the 90s - we're planning our Budapest trip (that's blind optimism for you). Anyway he & the other lads are all still season ticket holders, so I was asking him what it was like in the ground yesterday. I also asked him does he hear much "Slot out" talk at the ground & he says he doesn't and he thinks most people want to give him time. He is in the main stand if that makes a difference. He puts the slot out stuff to social media madness.

I'm making no judgement (though, as I have said before, apart from Woy, I have never wanted a Liverpool manager sacked and that is still the case), but I'm interested in other peoples observations of the match going crowd. I know @MomoWASright was there last night and he has clearly deserted his army and is full on Slot out, and @Woland is a regular, who wants to eviscerate the man - so that's a 100% anti Slot position from a sample size of 2 on here, but then we know this forum is oddball and not exactly a perfect reflection of normal society.

So what's the story in the ground?
Loads leaving with 20 minutes to play tells the story. Three times that’s happened this season, twice when I’ve been there. I didn’t hear any booing but the slot song wasn’t sang at all.
 
I was there last night. To be honest, I didn't hear any open 'Slot out' chants or anything like that, but it was a much flatter atmosphere and a general lack of excitement.

Lots of people leaving after 75 minutes is pretty unusual too.
 
I only watched the game intermittently last night (due to broadband issue) but in the time I did watch I think I only heard one Arne Slot chant. I suspect there’s a move toward apathy rather than revolt at the moment. The thing that’s changed so much in the last 20 years is the criticality of Champions League qualification. Year by year it’s become an ever increasing pressure for finance. You could “ride out” the odd year if you had a plan and an understood it was a “blip”. Now chances can’t be taken
I didn’t hear the slot song in the Kenny. It must’ve been drowned out by my laughter with what I was seeing.
 
Leaving early doesn't necessarily tell the story - folks did it early in Klopp's reign and it did not mean they wanted him sacked. It may be the case here, but I don't think you can say, for sure, because people left they want the man sacked.
 
It was how many were leaving early. This was en masse. Huge sections of the stands were empty from 82.
 
I was there last night. To be honest, I didn't hear any open 'Slot out' chants or anything like that, but it was a much flatter atmosphere and a general lack of excitement.

Lots of people leaving after 75 minutes is pretty unusual too.
When I used to go we all used to do the slow ‘one step every 10 seconds’ walk to the gate during time added on much to the stewards annoyance. No fucker left early
 
When I used to go we all used to do the slow ‘one step every 10 seconds’ walk to the gate during time added on much to the stewards annoyance. No fucker left early
Same. I was back end of the Kop and my mate was towards the front. I could nail it I’d get to him as the final whistle was being blown.
 
When I used to go we all used to do the slow ‘one step every 10 seconds’ walk to the gate during time added on much to the stewards annoyance. No fucker left early

Yeah, I still do that.

People couldn't get out quick enough yesterday though
 
There were boos at the end from those who were left. All my mates are locals and a few go to the game. They all want him out now, I think.
 
It was how many were leaving early. This was en masse. Huge sections of the stands were empty from 82.
City fans must absofuckinglutley hate the dog shagger 😉

BTW - I never left early in my day either. There was a couple of moaners behind us (Kemlyn) who always left 5-10 minutes before the end. At the end of the 89/90 season we were winning (against Norwich,, I think), but Villa, who were our closest challengers, were also winning and that was going to delay us winning the league. 5 minutes to go moaners up & left and no sooner had they gone than Villa's opponents scored and we won the league. I was almost happier for them missing it than I was for us winning it.
 
Again, I'll be treading over old ground with what I say here, but I think the sentiment of the fans says a lot. We've had worse teams performing poorly, but you could see the effort and a style and a plan in place. People will stick around and show support if all of that is there, regardless of results.

What we've got now, though, is none of that. There's no passion, no discernible plan, no style, no tactics, no confidence or indication that he has something in mind to stop the rot. The fans can pick up on that. That's why they're leaving in their droves. He's not capable of turning it around and most people can see that.
 
Last week I said that flying a plane under normal conditions and getting it out of a near stall are 2 different skillsets and like most managers Slot lacks the latter one - but after tonight I’m thinking that there is something specifically about Slot and his management style that made the “stall” much worse than it had to be.

You can be a cold-blooded tactician and a disciplinarian all you want - many managers fall into that category - but at some point you need to give some empathy to the players, give them a reason to give a shit about you. Rafa could be cold and unfair at times, but at the core he had that empathy and players and fans felt it. Does Slot? We’re not seeing it and instead what we’re seeing on the pitch is players going through the motions and waiting for this nightmare to be over - there is no pride, no anger, nothing. It’s exactly like the last stage of a relationship when one of the partners simply tunes out. At this point I’m sure there is no way out for Slot.

I agree, but I think that is the one thing Slot was very smart about. He did not try to compete with Klopp in the empathy, charisma, social connection, and messaging department. That is not in Slot's nature, but even if it were, the comparisons would have started, and he would have only lost.
 
I was visible from last season the signs were there. Nothing new here, the signings we made also were worrying on paper to what we normally make. Focus on just blaming individual players was misguided, System was broken from the off and that needs to be fixed before focus on players.
 
I hope they are using the two more games to finalize negotiations with other managers. I don't see what new information two more games could provide?

Our background team should have detailed information on what is happening in training sessions, sprints, distance covered, player moods, etc. If random posters on SCM started wondering in Spring about the sustainability of this operation, and they didn't, then Edwards and Hughes should be fired first.
 
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