And yet he said last night apparently when asked about his job he said he was safe and has a great relationship with the owners. Even Klopp said his job was in danger when we had those bad runs and they were never this bad. We shouldnt even be talking about if/when he's sacked.. He should be gone since after last night
Job security - arne
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Besides playing Bradley out of need (2190 mins),
Nallo - 18 mins (2 red cards)
Danns - 135 min
Morton - 263 mins
McConnell - 269 mins
Rio - 296 mins
Nyoni - 408 mins
Elliott - 846 mins
Quansah - 1300 mins
(It appears to have been driven by necessity rather than choice.)
Let's hope he's a liar, among many other things.
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Cujo saying the quiet bits out loud. Nothing to lose attitude. When would you ever say this?
Genuine question here.
I was chatting with one of the lads I used to go the match with in the 90s - we're planning our Budapest trip (that's blind optimism for you). Anyway he & the other lads are all still season ticket holders, so I was asking him what it was like in the ground yesterday. I also asked him does he hear much "Slot out" talk at the ground & he says he doesn't and he thinks most people want to give him time. He is in the main stand if that makes a difference. He puts the slot out stuff to social media madness.
I'm making no judgement (though, as I have said before, apart from Woy, I have never wanted a Liverpool manager sacked and that is still the case), but I'm interested in other peoples observations of the match going crowd. I know @MomoWASright was there last night and he has clearly deserted his army and is full on Slot out, and @Woland is a regular, who wants to eviscerate the man - so that's a 100% anti Slot position from a sample size of 2 on here, but then we know this forum is oddball and not exactly a perfect reflection of normal society.
So what's the story in the ground?
I was chatting with one of the lads I used to go the match with in the 90s - we're planning our Budapest trip (that's blind optimism for you). Anyway he & the other lads are all still season ticket holders, so I was asking him what it was like in the ground yesterday. I also asked him does he hear much "Slot out" talk at the ground & he says he doesn't and he thinks most people want to give him time. He is in the main stand if that makes a difference. He puts the slot out stuff to social media madness.
I'm making no judgement (though, as I have said before, apart from Woy, I have never wanted a Liverpool manager sacked and that is still the case), but I'm interested in other peoples observations of the match going crowd. I know @MomoWASright was there last night and he has clearly deserted his army and is full on Slot out, and @Woland is a regular, who wants to eviscerate the man - so that's a 100% anti Slot position from a sample size of 2 on here, but then we know this forum is oddball and not exactly a perfect reflection of normal society.
So what's the story in the ground?
I only watched the game intermittently last night (due to broadband issue) but in the time I did watch I think I only heard one Arne Slot chant. I suspect there’s a move toward apathy rather than revolt at the moment. The thing that’s changed so much in the last 20 years is the criticality of Champions League qualification. Year by year it’s become an ever increasing pressure for finance. You could “ride out” the odd year if you had a plan and an understood it was a “blip”. Now chances can’t be taken
Loads leaving with 20 minutes to play tells the story. Three times that’s happened this season, twice when I’ve been there. I didn’t hear any booing but the slot song wasn’t sang at all.
It was how many were leaving early. This was en masse. Huge sections of the stands were empty from 82.
When I used to go we all used to do the slow ‘one step every 10 seconds’ walk to the gate during time added on much to the stewards annoyance. No fucker left early
There were boos at the end from those who were left. All my mates are locals and a few go to the game. They all want him out now, I think.
City fans must absofuckinglutley hate the dog shagger 😉
BTW - I never left early in my day either. There was a couple of moaners behind us (Kemlyn) who always left 5-10 minutes before the end. At the end of the 89/90 season we were winning (against Norwich,, I think), but Villa, who were our closest challengers, were also winning and that was going to delay us winning the league. 5 minutes to go moaners up & left and no sooner had they gone than Villa's opponents scored and we won the league. I was almost happier for them missing it than I was for us winning it.
Again, I'll be treading over old ground with what I say here, but I think the sentiment of the fans says a lot. We've had worse teams performing poorly, but you could see the effort and a style and a plan in place. People will stick around and show support if all of that is there, regardless of results.
What we've got now, though, is none of that. There's no passion, no discernible plan, no style, no tactics, no confidence or indication that he has something in mind to stop the rot. The fans can pick up on that. That's why they're leaving in their droves. He's not capable of turning it around and most people can see that.
What we've got now, though, is none of that. There's no passion, no discernible plan, no style, no tactics, no confidence or indication that he has something in mind to stop the rot. The fans can pick up on that. That's why they're leaving in their droves. He's not capable of turning it around and most people can see that.
I agree, but I think that is the one thing Slot was very smart about. He did not try to compete with Klopp in the empathy, charisma, social connection, and messaging department. That is not in Slot's nature, but even if it were, the comparisons would have started, and he would have only lost.
I was visible from last season the signs were there. Nothing new here, the signings we made also were worrying on paper to what we normally make. Focus on just blaming individual players was misguided, System was broken from the off and that needs to be fixed before focus on players.
I hope they are using the two more games to finalize negotiations with other managers. I don't see what new information two more games could provide?
Our background team should have detailed information on what is happening in training sessions, sprints, distance covered, player moods, etc. If random posters on SCM started wondering in Spring about the sustainability of this operation, and they didn't, then Edwards and Hughes should be fired first.
Our background team should have detailed information on what is happening in training sessions, sprints, distance covered, player moods, etc. If random posters on SCM started wondering in Spring about the sustainability of this operation, and they didn't, then Edwards and Hughes should be fired first.
Not forgetting Klopp inherited a weaker squad.
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Targeting 7 points from two newly promoted clubs and a 17th-placed team… says everything about our decline.
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Arne Slot has a week to save his job. It is hard to believe that sentence is being written, but Liverpool’s next three games are against West Ham United, Sunderland and Leeds United. Anything fewer than seven points will make an already unacceptable situation untenable.
No matter how much goodwill the manager has, Liverpool Football Club cannot sustain the drop in standards witnessed over the past three months.
No-one knows better than me how much that reality will be hurting everyone connected with my old club. Liverpool do not willingly sack coaches, especially those that bring great success.
Since Bill Shankly arrived in 1959, there has been a union between the manager and supporters which feels unbreakable once a league title is delivered. Shankly, Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan, Sir Kenny Dalglish and Jurgen Klopp left on their own terms. They earned that right.
After Slot won the Premier League in his first season, he seemed destined for a long stay on Merseyside too. Now, just six months later, he is hanging on.
Nobody saw this drop-off coming, and there must always be caution about making statements with the benefit of hindsight. However, there were hints that the team was going in the wrong direction from March last season onwards, most notably in the performance away to Paris St-Germain and in the Carabao Cup Final loss to Newcastle United.
The Wembley display was abysmal. Liverpool did not just lose to Newcastle, they were comprehensively outplayed and physically overpowered.
Supporters were leaving London that day with the same thought: “That was not Liverpool.” Games can be lost, but not in that manner. Especially finals.
Liverpool beat PSG in France, but only because Alisson had the game of his life. Had they lost 5-1 that night there would have been no complaints. Slot and the players were given a free pass because the Premier League title was in their sights, winning it with four games to spare. Nagging doubts about whether the overall performances were deteriorating were banished.
Since Wembley, the falling standards have become increasingly obvious. Liverpool have won fewer than half of their 30 games in all competitions.
Many will argue in mitigation that those fixtures absorb the final few matches of last season, when there was nothing left to play for. For me, those games before the trophy presentation sent the wrong message, too.
The immediate response to the victory over Tottenham Hotspur on April 27 was justified and understandable. The supporters were always going to start the biggest party for 35 years after being able to witness their side become champions.
But for the manager and players, there were still four games left. No-one wants to sound like a killjoy, but the time to arrange parties in Ibiza and Dubai was after the final game against Crystal Palace, not before. It may have seemed good fun seeing all the party videos and photographs on social media, but as the team failed to win any of its final four games, losing twice, accusations of it being a bad look had merit.
When Liverpool lost 3-2 at Brighton in their penultimate game, the away fans were enjoying themselves so much they brushed off how bad the team was playing. No matter what the circumstances, it did not feel right.
This was the club’s 20th league championship, taking them level with Manchester United. Even without league titles, Liverpool have been a winning machine. They have won 20 trophies in the past 24 years because no sooner is one more honour on the board, the work begins to get the next.
At best, the downing of tools before the season was over was wilfully unprofessional. At worst, Liverpool behaved like a small club winning the title for the first time.
During pre-season, there were tactical changes which worried me. Many have pointed to my on-field interview with Slot after the first game of this season against Bournemouth, when the concern was obvious. That was based on how the team was set up against AC Milan in a pre-season friendly, and Crystal Palace in the Community Shield.
For some reason, a myth has developed whereby Liverpool are supposed to be an all-out attacking team, risking all to win without fear of the consequences of going gung ho.
This has never been the Anfield tradition. The greatest teams of the 70s and 80s had balance. They were brilliant in attack, and mean in defence. They could blitz teams at Anfield, and bore the crowd to submission in Europe to get a 0-0 or narrow victory.
In my era, the balance shifted more towards the defence under Gerard Houllier and Rafa Benitez. Under Klopp, there was a more attacking theme. But Houllier and Benitez’s best sides were more exciting going forward than they were credited with, and the peak Klopp team excelled at the back as much as the front. There is a reason why Virgil van Dijk and Alisson Becker are considered among the most important signings in Liverpool’s history, and why Klopp favoured a midfield three of Fabinho, Jordan Henderson and Georginio Wijnaldum.
Since the start of this season, Slot has seemed intent on taking the team in a direction which is not in Liverpool’s winning tradition. It felt wrong on day one of this season, and it has led to a mess right now.
Questions will also be asked of those above Slot. History should not be rewritten. When Klopp left, Fenway Sports Group’s No 1 priority was to hire Michael Edwards. He recruited sporting director Richard Hughes, Slot followed and the Premier League was won. It was an extraordinary achievement in year one.
People will try to write off that first season as “Klopp’s team”. I am not having it. The team would have improved and may have won the title under Klopp – we will never know – but Slot used tactics that his predecessor never would such as using Ryan Gravenberch as a No 6, and Luis Diaz as a No 9. He rejuvenated Mohammed Salah to have the season of his life. People were calling for the Egyptian talisman to be sold before Slot arrived.
But it is incredible that Liverpool have since spent £450m to create an unbalanced squad, lacking enough cover on the wings and at centre-back. After selling Diaz, Liverpool have come into this season without genuine competition for Salah and Cody Gakpo. It’s all well and good asking for one or both to be left out, but who replaces them?
Signing two expensive No 9s was wrong, too. It is like betting on two horses in the same race. You do not buy a striker for £80m and then two weeks later another for £125m, because if they are competing for the same position, only one can win. It can’t work.
That error was compounded by the failure to pay whatever it took to sign Marc Guehi. For the sake of another £10m, Liverpool may lose over £100m because they will not be in next season’s Champions League unless they sign at least one centre-back in January.
If Slot is still in charge by then, he will have started some kind of recovery.
With respect to the upcoming opponents, he could not have picked a better sequence of games to win back trust and save himself. But if it gets any worse and the manager cannot find the answers, the club will have no choice but to find someone else who can.
Without knowledge I suspect Jurgen’s teams that he put out in those games were also much weakened. Possibly the season after we won the league and we had midfielders at centre back.
