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Kenny or MON till the end of the season

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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42289.msg1200944#msg1200944 date=1287504292]
Four different people have now told me that Rikjaard is signing on Friday. I know we're assuming this came from tribal or wherever but why do all the scousers think its true?
Anyone?
Appara he has left Galatasaray and our board are elbowing mad arse after the Napoli defeat and Franks yer man!
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Yeh I saw that on twitter last night by more than one source. I think it would be a good appointment both short and long term.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=42289.msg1200947#msg1200947 date=1287504438]
Did Mark have anything to say on the matter?

Someone PM me if there is any juicy gossip.
[/quote]He's one of the four mate.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42289.msg1200905#msg1200905 date=1287501152]
His net spend at Villa was 80 mill or something, and he didn't use his squad enough. It could be said that his counterattacking style will also come unstuck at a big club. I actually like him as a person, though I think there is a lot of bollocks talked about him, like he is a great man manager. More players snipe about MON than just about any manager in the English game, and reportedly he's more hands off than Benitez by far- one player said about him that he hardly saw him from Saturday to Saturday with Robertson handling all the training through the week.

That said, he definitely would have been better than Budgie.
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£80m does seem like alot of money particularly when it must be hard trying to attract good players to a bog standard club. Ultimately he probably ended up paying over the odds for players who could 'do a job' rather than add real quality to his side. Does that figure include the Milner sale? If so it doesn't look pretty!

What is a great man manager? You don't win stuff at Wycombe and Leicester unless you get the best out of what is at your club. It could be argued the best man managers are the ones in the lower leagues working with inferior players and making them play at 110% every week. There's two sides to every story so take the whingers stories with a pinch of salt. They'll be players that loved him and players that hated him.

One thing he's always done well is make his teams hard to beat which is a quality lacking in our lot right now. We've got no fight whatsoever at the moment. If he was drafted in as an emergency rescue act then i think he'd do that job well. Long term he wouldn't be the answer but he's not a bad suggestion for now looking at the state we're in. Im not a huge fan of O'Neill but he isn't the fool people make out he is.

I do worry that we could end up with some popular fancy dan manager ala Ramos and Spurs and end up regretting it. Rijkaard would be an exciting appointment but also a massive gamble. Fingers crossed it'll work out if he comes here.

It's a massive decision for the new owners to make soon.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42289.msg1200951#msg1200951 date=1287504559]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=42289.msg1200947#msg1200947 date=1287504438]
Did Mark have anything to say on the matter?

Someone PM me if there is any juicy gossip.
[/quote]He's one of the four mate.
[/quote]

*PM's Mark*
 
Thanx for making my point Bazza! After all the players we have are not from 20 years ago although they they may have been born back then.

Managers add their own dynamics to teams regardless of tactics or formations. Roy doesn't seem to have a clue.

Is the King not a multiple top flight league winning coach? Can you say the same about MON or Roy?
 
[quote author=Bazza The Kopite link=topic=42289.msg1200950#msg1200950 date=1287504511]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42289.msg1200944#msg1200944 date=1287504292]
Four different people have now told me that Rikjaard is signing on Friday. I know we're assuming this came from tribal or wherever but why do all the scousers think its true?
Anyone?
Appara he has left Galatasaray and our board are elbowing mad arse after the Napoli defeat and Franks yer man!
[/quote]

Yeh I saw that on twitter last night by more than one source. I think it would be a good appointment both short and long term.
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So you're worried about the medium-term then?

Me too.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42289.msg1200905#msg1200905 date=1287501152]
His net spend at Villa was 80 mill or something, and he didn't use his squad enough. It could be said that his counterattacking style will also come unstuck at a big club. I actually like him as a person, though I think there is a lot of bollocks talked about him, like he is a great man manager. More players snipe about MON than just about any manager in the English game, and reportedly he's more hands off than Benitez by far- one player said about him that he hardly saw him from Saturday to Saturday with Robertson handling all the training through the week.

That said, he definitely would have been better than Budgie.
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i think he spent £88m net in 4 years, so to put that in context that's £10m more than benitez in 2 years less time. gabriele marcotti wrote a really good critique of him a few months ago saying he's a decent manager and nothing more, and nowhere near deserving of all the praise he gets. i remember one of the points was that he almost always buys english players - hardly ever unearths a gem. he just goes for any half-decent english player who is already well known to everyone so generally you just get what you pay for. some turn out to be bargains (just about) like ashley young and james milner, but there are loads of others who turn out exactly as expected, mediocre: shorey, curtis davies, downing, reo coker, heskey, luke young, warnock.

i think he's vastly overrated, and got a pretty poor return out of villa for all that money. for that i'd expect to actually qualify for the CL at least once (not choke near the finishing line) or maybe win a cup, but he didn't, and i don't want him at anfield at all.
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=42289.msg1200953#msg1200953 date=1287504673]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42289.msg1200905#msg1200905 date=1287501152]
His net spend at Villa was 80 mill or something, and he didn't use his squad enough. It could be said that his counterattacking style will also come unstuck at a big club. I actually like him as a person, though I think there is a lot of bollocks talked about him, like he is a great man manager. More players snipe about MON than just about any manager in the English game, and reportedly he's more hands off than Benitez by far- one player said about him that he hardly saw him from Saturday to Saturday with Robertson handling all the training through the week.

That said, he definitely would have been better than Budgie.
[/quote]

£80m does seem like alot of money particularly when it must be hard trying to attract good players to a bog standard club. Ultimately he probably ended up paying over the odds for players who could 'do a job' rather than add real quality to his side. Does that figure include the Milner sale? If so it doesn't look pretty!

What is a great man manager? You don't win stuff at Wycombe and Leicester unless you get the best out of what is at your club. It could be argued the best man managers are the ones in the lower leagues working with inferior players and making them play at 110% every week. There's two sides to every story so take the whingers stories with a pinch of salt. They'll be players that loved him and players that hated him.

One thing he's always done well is make his teams hard to beat which is a quality lacking in our lot right now. We've got no fight whatsoever at the moment. If he was drafted in as an emergency rescue act then i think he'd do that job well. Long term he wouldn't be the answer but he's not a bad suggestion for now looking at the state we're in. Im not a huge fan of O'Neill but he isn't the fool people make out he is.

I do worry that we could end up with some popular fancy dan manager ala Ramos and Spurs and end up regretting it. Rijkaard would be an exciting appointment but also a massive gamble. Fingers crossed it'll work out if he comes here.

It's a massive decision for the new owners to make soon.
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of course it doesn't! that'd be like knocking off £20m (masch), £13m (aquilani), £6m (benayoun) off benitez's net spend: all of a sudden he only spent £39m rather than £78m...very creative accounting.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=42289.msg1200956#msg1200956 date=1287504891]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42289.msg1200951#msg1200951 date=1287504559]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=42289.msg1200947#msg1200947 date=1287504438]
Did Mark have anything to say on the matter?

Someone PM me if there is any juicy gossip.
[/quote]He's one of the four mate.
[/quote]

*PM's Mark*
[/quote]

PM's ILD
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42289.msg1200951#msg1200951 date=1287504559]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=42289.msg1200947#msg1200947 date=1287504438]
Did Mark have anything to say on the matter?

Someone PM me if there is any juicy gossip.
[/quote]He's one of the four mate.
[/quote]

That true Oncy?
 
Good news if true, I do think it'd be a gamble, but one worth taking and certainly a better direction than the one we've been heading in, at least we might start passing the ball to each other, which would be refreshing in itself.
 
Rijkaard did very well at Barca, but hasn't been impressive at Gala. It's a gamble, pretty big one aswell. Should be on a short term contract with the option of long term.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42289.msg1201013#msg1201013 date=1287509615]
Rijkaard did very well at Barca, but hasn't been impressive at Gala. It's a gamble, pretty big one aswell. Should be on a short term contract with the option of long term.
[/quote]

I'm warming to the idea.
 
Twitter:

LFCGlobe Roy Hodgson has not been sacked, contrary to rumours. However, a meeting has taken place between Henry and Werner regarding the situation.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42289.msg1201016#msg1201016 date=1287509963]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42289.msg1201013#msg1201013 date=1287509615]
Rijkaard did very well at Barca, but hasn't been impressive at Gala. It's a gamble, pretty big one aswell. Should be on a short term contract with the option of long term.
[/quote]

I'm warming to the idea.
[/quote]


i'm not. how come he's struggling at galatasaray? more's the point, what's he even doing at galatasaray in the first place, if he's such a good coach?

i mean, i'm sure, given time and money, he'd produce an exciting and dangerous team, but that would have to be the means to the end of actually winning trophies. can anyone seriously see rijkaard building a a long-term project at liverpool, staying for the next 10 years, and bringing the title home? because that's what we've got to be aiming for, not a soppy indulgent appointment who'll make us feel good about ourselves.

i can see us turning into a manager-a-season club if we go down this road, personally.

on the other hand, he could be an excellent appointment.
 
The positive point here is that he likes an attacking minded team with a lot of possesion. Usually a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-1-2-1. Has been know to build a very good team and to spot what the team needs to succeed.

His spell with Holland in 2000, resulted in some of the finest football ever being played. And the Barca team was extremely good.

After reading a bit about the Gala tenure, it seems as though he hasn't be given a fair chance. Money in the Turkish league is non excistent, and the working conditions are a bit difficult. Has a win percentage at 55 %.
 
I am also bemused as to why he chose to go to Galatasaray, but he's young, has managed big players, won big trophies, and he genuinely turned Barca around with the help of Laporta - going from the relegation zone at one point to runners up, followed by two La Liga's and a European Cup.

Not many managers achieve that sort of pedigree in 40 years of management. I wish I could be reassured by him achieving success elsewhere, but there is enough to get me thinking that he might be what we need after all.
 
Um, Galatasaray aren't exactly a small club, you know. He resigned from the Barca job, Gala offered him a job - he took it. Not much there to it. They're the biggest club in Turkey and in Europe almost every year - that's a fairly attractive challenge, I would say.

He hasn't done brilliantly there but it's not exactly been a disaster. He led them to 3rd last year and he'd taken over after a season in which they had finished 5th - so that was actually an improvement. I think much of the disappointment with him has been with this season (they're sitting in 9th place after 8 games) but there've apparently been a lot of Gala fans who think that he's struggling because he's had to put up with a board that's quite difficult to work with.

He's not someone you should be after at all costs but he'd be an interesting appointment to say the least. Tends to do well in alternate jobs as well. Maybe we're in store for his purple patch?
 
Managers who have just won 2 La Liga's and the Champions League don't often go off to Turkey for a challenge.

It's surprising he didn't wait out for a better offer, IMO.
 
Well, I like the sound of this;

As a coach, Frank Rijkaard's essential philosophy is to guide his team towards playing attack-minded football as a cohesive unit. In doing this, he believes a team can achieve the dual objectives of winning games and ensuring the audience's enjoyment of the spectacle. This follows in the best coaching traditions of Rijkaard's countrymen and forebears Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff. In this light, it is notable that Michels coached both Cruyff and Rijkaard during their respective participations with the Dutch national team, and that Cruyff himself went on to coach Rijkaard. Nonetheless, Rijkaard believes in working within a contemporary football context and is not out to imitate the styles and tactics of past masters. In his own words:

...you gain many impressions from the past. You still have it in your mind when you become a coach, and if something happens you can recall how it was dealt with. But I strongly believe that you cannot copy anyone. The decisions that a great coach made years ago will not necessarily work today.

Rijkaard has evidently learned to curb the quick temper of his playing days and is often a portrait of calm and stability in training and along the touchline. He rarely courts controversy in the media and is more apt now to promote a positive environment and let his team's play speak for itself when faced with intense rivalry or criticism.

The tactics used during his tenure as manager of FC Barcelona best exemplify Frank Rijkaard's commitment to playing stylish attacking football. During the team's 2004–05 and 2005–06 campaigns, the coach frequently fielded a 4-1-2-2-1 formation, a system which encouraged the creativity of the players in the front third of the field and created optimal interplay between the midfielders and forwards during attacks. Within this system the four defenders also tended to play in a relatively high position on the pitch to support the midfield which frequently advanced to participate in the attack. The team generally focuses on maintaining possession in the opponents' half of the field, applying pressure in order to force the opposition to make errors in defense and offensive counter-attacking.

With regards to man-management and motivation, Rijkaard rejects the notion of a "star system" and promotes the idea that every one of his players is a valuable member of the team. He rarely praises one individual over another in the squad, although he has been known to acknowledge the outstanding contributions of a player within the context of a team performance.
 
dmishra> gala is a big club in turkey, sure, but turkey is a footballing backwater. their clubs have won one european trophy in over 50 years of competition.

i'm not convinced at all. i suppose one positive, though, is that he'd probably be able to attract some quality attacking players to the club, so that at least if it did go wrong our squad should be better for it.
 
If he manages to convince Henk Ten Cate to follow him, it would really be a good move..
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42289.msg1201033#msg1201033 date=1287511886]

i mean, i'm sure, given time and money, he'd produce an exciting and dangerous team, but that would have to be the means to the end of actually winning trophies. can anyone seriously see rijkaard building a a long-term project at liverpool, staying for the next 10 years, and bringing the title home? because that's what we've got to be aiming for, not a soppy indulgent appointment who'll make us feel good about ourselves.

i can see us turning into a manager-a-season club if we go down this road, personally.

on the other hand, he could be an excellent appointment.
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peterhague tikaboo

I fully agree with the above. For all his faults Rafa was a long term appointment. He believed in the club's values and wanted to be here for 5 to 10 years, and have a very successful career at Liverpool.

We need to find a capable manager who is willing to commit like that, and then back him well. Roy Hodgson was never that man, he was always meant to be a short term appointment, hence the release clause in his contract. So just for the heck of replacing a short-term appointment, we can't go and look for another short-term appointment from outside the club. If a caretaker appointment is made, it would be stupid not to give it to Kenny.

If we do find a new manager and appoint him, i just hope the brief for the new appointment is similar to what Rafa Benitez got, and also the search process was long and thorough.
 
the truth is if purslow thought roy would be a decent appointment, goodness only knows who he'll suggest next. the yanks have no idea what is a good manager so will just go with any recommendation purslow gives them. you have you hope purslow hates MON as much as most people.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42289.msg1201088#msg1201088 date=1287515419]
If he manages to convince Henk Ten Cate to follow him, it would really be a good move..
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I'm not at all convinced about that. Ten Cate is a hard b@stard who's guaranteed to divide almost any squad or dressing-room. Appointing him would be throwing paraffin on an already burning fire.
 
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