Konate

[Beamrider]

Without wanting to give too much credence to Fat Dunk, the principle is correct.
If you have a player in the final 12 months of his contract, whose head has been turned, you have to look at him as if you're signing him on a free transfer and price accordingly. That's effectively what is happening. We're not paying a fee and we're getting a player on a 4-5 year contract. If his head's been turned, you can try to sell him all you like, but he isn't going to go.
The area where there is scope for negotiation is around timing. If Konate signs for Madrid on a free, sure he gets a big pay bump, but he doesn't get it until next summer. If we offer him a deal with us, he gets that pay rise immediately - so Ibou, you can have less now, and guaranteed, or hold out for more later, but you're fucked if you do your ACL in the mean time. Stick or twist buddy.
And what we're prepared to offer will have to take into account saving £60m odd of fees for a new guy next summer.

 

[localny]

i have a crime to confess to, i do occasionally watch koptalk duncan on youtube.

he has a source that says the club are annoyed with konate/his agent because they believe he has already spoken to madrid and is asking for a similar salary to what they would offer, which is too much. also there’s a 15th august deadline for him to renew and our price is £45m if he doesn’t.

probably a load of shite but i do not fancy another change in the back 4

Ban him! 😆

 

[keniget]

Without wanting to give too much credence to Fat Dunk, the principle is correct.
If you have a player in the final 12 months of his contract, whose head has been turned, you have to look at him as if you're signing him on a free transfer and price accordingly. That's effectively what is happening. We're not paying a fee and we're getting a player on a 4-5 year contract. If his head's been turned, you can try to sell him all you like, but he isn't going to go.
The area where there is scope for negotiation is around timing. If Konate signs for Madrid on a free, sure he gets a big pay bump, but he doesn't get it until next summer. If we offer him a deal with us, he gets that pay rise immediately - so Ibou, you can have less now, and guaranteed, or hold out for more later, but you're fucked if you do your ACL in the mean time. Stick or twist buddy.
And what we're prepared to offer will have to take into account saving £60m odd of fees for a new guy next summer.

It feels like we've gotten to a point now where there appears to make very little sense for top players to sign contracts till they get into that last year where they have all the leverage.

Of course, they have to factor in risk of injury and loss of form but yeah, for guys who are the top, that risk is probably lower.

 

[Beamrider]

Back in the days of the Bosman ruling, there were plenty of people who would have told you it would be the death of football, with clubs lower down the pyramid losing out on the transfer fees they needed to keep going and bigger clubs exploiting the situation.
If you look at the deals for Trent and Mbappe, and apply that model across the game, it means more money goes to the players / agents, the buying clubs still pay the same but then who loses out? Probably smaller clubs down the food chain who don't get transfer fees, either because they lose players on a free or else because there isn't the money in the game to share around as the players and agents have it all.
The big clubs get by for a while, but as grass-roots clubs start to disappear, so does the talent conveyor belt.
It still risks being the death of football if it catches on, but thus far it hasn't, perhaps because players lower down the chain still want the security of longer contracts.
But faced with such an existential risk, the transfer system needs to evolve, or clubs need to take the moral high ground and not do it (good luck with that option).

 

[Al_Gatto]

Think Chelsea show that even top players love the security of a long contract. I guess it helps you get a mortgage if you know your wages for the next seven years, not just the next two.

Be interesting to see how it pans out for them though - will they make money moving on players, get stuck with players who didn't live up to potential, or have players revolt, like Isak? I think some of them are already angling for wage increases.

 

[Beamrider]

Think Chelsea show that even top players love the security of a long contract. I guess it helps you get a mortgage if you know your wages for the next seven years, not just the next two.

Be interesting to see how it pans out for them though - will they make money moving on players, get stuck with players who didn't live up to potential, or have players revolt, like Isak? I think some of them are already angling for wage increases.

I think Chelsea's theory was that they'd sign guys up on slightly lower wages over a long period. Then when they became superstars, they could keep them on those lower wages and be geniuses by beating the market.
If players and their agents are signing up for long deals on lower than market wages then it doesn't say much about their self-belief.
Then Cole Palmer did well. And they kept him on his relatively low wages because they are geniuses.
Oh no, sorry, that didn't happen. They gave him a new deal on enhanced terms to make sure he didn't start angling for a move somewhere else. Like every club ever has had to do. You don't get to keep top players on below market wages. That's not how the market works.
Then they have the Wesley Fofana conundrum. Remember him? Still on a good whack, has played 48 games in 3 years. Because you do get to keep shit / injured players on decent wages. As Chelsea should know all too well. * cough * Winston Bogarde * cough*.
The only part of their strategy that's working is signing youth players, loaning them out and then selling them at a profit. And they were doing that already.
And yet they need to sell their own shit to themselves to beat PSR, and they still got hammered by UEFA.
Muppets.

 

[peterhague]

i have a crime to confess to, i do occasionally watch koptalk duncan on youtube.

he has a source that says the club are annoyed with konate/his agent because they believe he has already spoken to madrid and is asking for a similar salary to what they would offer, which is too much. also there’s a 15th august deadline for him to renew and our price is £45m if he doesn’t.

probably a load of shite but i do not fancy another change in the back 4

God that guy is such a fucking scumbag. Born grifter.

 

[Beamrider]

Think Chelsea show that even top players love the security of a long contract. I guess it helps you get a mortgage if you know your wages for the next seven years, not just the next two.

Be interesting to see how it pans out for them though - will they make money moving on players, get stuck with players who didn't live up to potential, or have players revolt, like Isak? I think some of them are already angling for wage increases.

I don't think footballers are worrying about getting mortgages. A lot of them seem to rent as they expect to move about through their careers.
Although amusingly enough, we did have a player a few years back who borrowed £1m from the club to buy a house and paid it back over the course of 12 months. I think the club were glad to see they guy in question putting down some roots.

 

[Markeh]

I don't think footballers are worrying about getting mortgages. A lot of them seem to rent as they expect to move about through their careers.
Although amusingly enough, we did have a player a few years back who borrowed £1m from the club to buy a house and paid it back over the course of 12 months. I think the club were glad to see they guy in question putting down some roots.

can i ask if you were around as far back as suarez? what was he like around the place?

 

[Beamrider]

can i ask if you were around as far back as suarez? what was he like around the place?

Yes I was. He was already there when I'd joined. Never met him (bar a photo opportunity at a staff Christmas do), but by all accounts he was a different, more humble character off the pitch than on it, shy even.
Two things in particular that I remember hearing about him:
He was always genuinely sorry when he did mad shit on the pitch. The club punished him quite hard after the Ivanovic biting incident and there was no sense of him kicking off or feeling hard done to. He knew he'd over-stepped and was sorry about it.
The other one was after he'd left for Barca. We played them at Wembley in a pre-season friendly and beat them 4-0. He came into the dressing room afterwards and was quite selective about whose shirts he wanted - basically he wanted shirts off his mates from when he was with us and one of the new signings had asked to swap and he said no because he didn't want their shirt. One of the staff asked him why he'd left and didn't he wish he was still at the club and his response was that if he believed we could have challenged for trophies then he would have stayed. He was genuinely happy here, he just had ambitions in the game that we couldn't match back then.

 

[Markeh]

Yes I was. He was already there when I'd joined. Never met him (bar a photo opportunity at a staff Christmas do), but by all accounts he was a different, more humble character off the pitch than on it, shy even.
Two things in particular that I remember hearing about him:
He was always genuinely sorry when he did mad shit on the pitch. The club punished him quite hard after the Ivanovic biting incident and there was no sense of him kicking off or feeling hard done to. He knew he'd over-stepped and was sorry about it.
The other one was after he'd left for Barca. We played them at Wembley in a pre-season friendly and beat them 4-0. He came into the dressing room afterwards and was quite selective about whose shirts he wanted - basically he wanted shirts off his mates from when he was with us and one of the new signings had asked to swap and he said no because he didn't want their shirt. One of the staff asked him why he'd left and didn't he wish he was still at the club and his response was that if he believed we could have challenged for trophies then he would have stayed. He was genuinely happy here, he just had ambitions in the game that we couldn't match back then.

thanks for replying, i think that kind of confirms what i’d thought about him. that’s fair enough with wanting to leave, he was one of the best in the world at the time.

bit weird about the shirts though.

 

[Frogfish]

Think Chelsea show that even top players love the security of a long contract. I guess it helps you get a mortgage if you know your wages for the next seven years, not just the next two.
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Mortgage?! 😂 😂 😂

 

[SaRed]

thanks for replying, i think that kind of confirms what i’d thought about him. that’s fair enough with wanting to leave, he was one of the best in the world at the time.

bit weird about the shirts though.

Lallana
Lambert
Lovren
Balotelli
Moreno
Markovic ?

Not so weird when you think back

 

[tombrown]

Ban him! 😆

Agree - it's a bit like a North Korean refugee, sitting with fellow exiles in Seoul confessing to following a Kim Jong Un podcast

 

[refugee]

i have a crime to confess to, i do occasionally watch koptalk duncan on youtube.

he has a source that says the club are annoyed with konate/his agent because they believe he has already spoken to madrid and is asking for a similar salary to what they would offer, which is too much. also there’s a 15th august deadline for him to renew and our price is £45m if he doesn’t.

probably a load of shite but i do not fancy another change in the back 4

You're worse than the people that are still on Twitter!

 

[Modo]

i have a crime to confess to, i do occasionally watch koptalk duncan on youtube.

he has a source that says the club are annoyed with konate/his agent because they believe he has already spoken to madrid and is asking for a similar salary to what they would offer, which is too much. also there’s a 15th august deadline for him to renew and our price is £45m if he doesn’t.

probably a load of shite but i do not fancy another change in the back 4

shame

 

[Dreambeliever]

i have a crime to confess to, i do occasionally watch koptalk duncan on youtube.

he has a source that says the club are annoyed with konate/his agent because they believe he has already spoken to madrid and is asking for a similar salary to what they would offer, which is too much. also there’s a 15th august deadline for him to renew and our price is £45m if he doesn’t.

probably a load of shite but i do not fancy another change in the back 4

Fuckin hell. Now that’s a guilty pleasure 🤣🤣🤣

 

[FullStop]

From what I understand Konate was always used as a FAKE TRANSFER ISSUE by the FSG. That means 1. They talked to him prior, 2. Decided together with him to prolong his quote-unquote "re-signing," as a 3. Fake transfer issue, so that they could 4. Observe vultures (i.e. Real Madrid) fall for trying to dislodge him from Liverpool FC.

And it worked.

A highly successful transfer strategy must involve both SINCERE and INSINCERE leads in about* equal measure.

* About means that there should roughly be the same number of sincere and insincere transfer leads. But in reality it may not at all be about making roughly the same number of such leads. Some fake leads that are, say, particularly successful at being fake may prove to count more heavily than others. (If you know what I mean).

 

[refugee]

(If you know what I mean).

Clear as day

 

[FullStop]

Clear as day

Really? 'cause it's a catch 22.

 

[refugee]

It’s more of a paradigm feedback loop situation

 

[Judge Jules]

From what I understand Konate was always used as a FAKE TRANSFER ISSUE by the FSG. That means 1. They talked to him prior, 2. Decided together with him to prolong his quote-unquote "re-signing," as a 3. Fake transfer issue, so that they could 4. Observe vultures (i.e. Real Madrid) fall for trying to dislodge him from Liverpool FC.

And it worked.

A highly successful transfer strategy must involve both SINCERE and INSINCERE leads in about* equal measure.

* About means that there should roughly be the same number of sincere and insincere transfer leads. But in reality it may not at all be about making roughly the same number of such leads. Some fake leads that are, say, particularly successful at being fake may prove to count more heavily than others. (If you know what I mean).

I think I see what you're saying (FSG, the club and the player creating a false smokescreen suggesting that he was halfway out the door when he never actually was, to get clubs who want him to reveal themselves) but it doesn't explain what FSG and the club would stand to gain from doing it.

 

[FullStop]

I think I see what you're saying (FSG, the club and the player creating a false smokescreen suggesting that he was halfway out the door when he never actually was, to get clubs who want him to reveal themselves) but it doesn't explain what FSG and the club would stand to gain from doin

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEJx4mRpVzg

 

[Judge Jules]

"Video unavailable".

 

[Markeh]

You're worse than the people that are still on Twitter!

never joined it in the first place!

 

[tombrown]

I think I see what you're saying (FSG, the club and the player creating a false smokescreen suggesting that he was halfway out the door when he never actually was, to get clubs who want him to reveal themselves) but it doesn't explain what FSG and the club would stand to gain from doing it.

That's what AI does

 

[darkstarexodus]

You're worse than the people that are still on Twitter!

Worse than just still being on Twitter, I accidentally called it X yesterday.

 

[localny]

Agree - it's a bit like a North Korean refugee, sitting with fellow exiles in Seoul confessing to following a Kim Jong Un podcast

Totally the same mate. Not just a bit like. Send Markeh to the DMV zone 😆

 

[Markeh]

Lallana
Lambert
Lovren
Balotelli
Moreno
Markovic ?

Not so weird when you think back

i checked the lineup for that match earlier and it included sadio and matip, i’d want their shirts but that’s with hindsight i suppose