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Why would we be paying his wages??
Because Barcelona either can't or won't take a player on loan on any other terms given how strapped they are for cash.
But he wouldn't be on loan?? I genuinely don't understand.
Soz if I haven't been clear. I agree with The Nomad's post above in which he said Barcelona have probably offered a loan deal with option to buy.
I think the club will try and keep on his existing wages, unless someone offers 80 million. Basically we need to paid for replacing him, or we'll just kick the can down the road.
Worst case, we could still sell him a year later to the Saudis - the fee will be lower, but still we get something. Makes no sense to sell him at a discount this year (which a Barca sale will inevitably be)
We pay him less than 50% of what we pay Robbo, who will be our back up left back next season. That isn't responsible use of wages. I'd keep him unless we felt we could get a huge sum for him AND we had replacements lined up. This all assumes that Nunez & Jota are already out of the door too.
I'm not sure it doesn't make any sense. Giving up £50m or so for 2 years of Diaz is pretty expensive.
He'll be going. By knocking back Barca and ornstein being told we're basing price on the Bruno offer, we've in a round about way gone "he is available if the money is right"
He'll be gone by season start. Probably sooner if there's a chance he could go the club world cup
What if nobody pays his "valuation"? What if Diaz only wants Barca?
The club simply has no power to set his market value or tell him which club to sign for. This only works if we're happy for him to walk for nothing in 2 years, something which imo we should be very wary of.
Just as I suspected, nobody seems to be willing to pay up and Diaz wants what Diaz wants.
So he will stay and leave on a free eventually. God knows where or when he will play when we get Wirtz and an actual 9 in.
We are so minted we can have a 75m player sitting on the bench.
Loads here will be delighted with this.
So he will stay and leave on a free eventually. God knows where or when he will play when we get Wirtz and an actual 9 in.
We are so minted we can have a 75m player sitting on the bench.
Loads here will be delighted with this.
Probably the same as everyone, I'm a bit indifferent about Diaz going. He works hard and is one of the few actual threats in picking up the ball from deep and carrying it into dangerous areas of the pitch. He's not top drawer in terms of output, but his impact on the team at crucial times this season has been important. If a big fee means we can sign two equal quality, younger players then it's no great loss, but it's no disaster if he stays either.
We most likely know that the Saudis are willing to pay that valuation though. Barca need to match it.
Yeah but if Diaz doesn't want to go to Saudi then what they'll pay is irrelevant.
Then we keep him for one more year as we've already heard we're willing to do.
And then what? Place another unrealistic price on him and let him walk for nothing?
The point is that setting an unrealistic price is effectively the same as deciding to not sell him which is effectively the same as letting him leave for free. And that's quite an expensive decision.
I’m not entirely sure I agree with you here.
We DO have the power to set the market value and we can reject any offer we deem too little, but it DOES require us to be willing to let him walk for free in 2 years.
I don’t see that as being as big a risk as you, mainly because if he plays his part in us winning stuff over the next few years, I’ll not care if he leaves for free approaching 31, when his best years will be behind him. It’ll also be in his interest to continue to play at a high level if he wants to get a move to Barca as a free agent.
For me, this is all part of the negotiation dance anyway - if we say we’ll listen to offers, then teams like Varca will be emboldened to put in derisory offers and play on the “he only wants us card”.
Saying we won’t listen to offers and have no interest in selling counters that right away. It means we can peg the offer to a Saudi Bid and if Diaz rejects that, that’s on him, but that’s now the price that people have to work from - so Barca don’t get to come in and chuck £35m on the table and we spend our time trying to get them to up the bid.
It’s kind of similar to the Wirtz situation with Leverkusen - Bayern thought they had him in the bag and wanted to play the “cunt trick” of low-balling. We’re the Saudi bid, though now we’re preferred we’ll try to leverage that price down, but not at the expense of Leverkusen telling us to piss off, thereby opening up the floor again to other teams - but Leverkusen are absolutely setting his market value.
That depend entirely upon how much the other side WANTS the player.
So if Barca WANT the player, they’ll pay what we want and if Diaz WANTS the move he’ll do what he has to do to make it happen - but while he has a 2 year contract, his options are limited and fraught with difficulty.
All things being equal - I’d probably keep him given we’re spending a fuck load on Wirtz.
There was a point earlier in the thread that said Slot prefers Gakpo, and another that said Gakpo has better stats. But Gakpo wasn't injured much and Diaz got about 20% more minutes - so how do we know what Slot thinks? And they have about the same goals, shots and passes completed stats, so where are Gakpo's better stats?
This isn't me having an opinion, it's more me trying to form one. I think I took those points as probably true and I think I prefer Gakpo myself - but it turns out that despite being totally different types of player, they're fighting it out to be the best left winger in the league and they're pretty much inseparable.,, And despite them both being left wingers they've somehow managed to play 35 games each, in some way or another. Maybe it's just perfect having them both?
This isn't me having an opinion, it's more me trying to form one. I think I took those points as probably true and I think I prefer Gakpo myself - but it turns out that despite being totally different types of player, they're fighting it out to be the best left winger in the league and they're pretty much inseparable.,, And despite them both being left wingers they've somehow managed to play 35 games each, in some way or another. Maybe it's just perfect having them both?
Its not unrealistic though. Its been reported today that Al-Nassr are looking at bidding 85 mill.
Barca's valuation of 45 mill is the unrealistic part of all this.
We can sell him for a lower fee next season and push the signing of a LW for a year. Not the worst idea given how many other new players that will be arriving.
It isn’t though, if the decision to keep him results in him playing a big part in winning another PL or CL.
It’s just a number - but the number the being successful generates far outweighs it.
It’s like that Salah sliding doors moment.
Would you rather have cashed in on £150m Saudi offer 2 years ago and the unknown of a replacement that probably wouldn’t have generated his figures in those 2 seasons… or taken the Premier League trophy that we won with him being the main contributor.
Hindsight and all that - but rejecting a big offer and running the risk of losing a player on a free probably just won us a title.
Their stats are identical, 25 G/A, but Gakpo has played 640 mins less.
He's also 2 years younger and probably fits much better into the system Slot wants to set up. Is my guess.
I'm only looking at this. https://www.fctables.com/luis-diaz-vs-cody-gapko-355880-340658/
Goals per minute looks about the same, Diaz slightly higher, lower on assists, but not much in it. Guessing that's PL only.
We simply don't have the power to set his market value. We can set his price and that might get paid or it might not.
It's not so much that I see losing him for free as a risk - I just think it's expensive compared to getting ~£50m for him right now. That's £25m a season plus wages. I wouldn't say it's catastrophic or anything but definitely enough to be wary of.
Yeah, IF he's willing to go there! IF. Is he?
If he isn't, it's unrealistic, isn't it?
Diaz has played 50 games, 17 goals and 8 assists in 3336 mins.
Gakpo has played 49 games, 18 goals and 7 assists in 2696 mins.
Diaz has 3 more goals in the league which probably makes the goals pr mins stat pretty similar.
If you want a fair comparison...
Diaz was decent as a 9, probably the best 9 amongst all forwards, as proven by the number of games he started as a 9.
However his numbers dropped drastically when he played on the LW when Gakpo was out. We missed Gakpo's output because Diaz just couldn't produce anywhere near the same numbers as Gakpo was producing on the left. We were duly knocked out of the CL and lost the league cup during this period.
It is no coincidence. Diaz numbers on the left for 3 seasons had always been average and cannot match up to the numbers Gakpo had produced this season at all.
Diaz was decent as a 9, probably the best 9 amongst all forwards, as proven by the number of games he started as a 9.
However his numbers dropped drastically when he played on the LW when Gakpo was out. We missed Gakpo's output because Diaz just couldn't produce anywhere near the same numbers as Gakpo was producing on the left. We were duly knocked out of the CL and lost the league cup during this period.
It is no coincidence. Diaz numbers on the left for 3 seasons had always been average and cannot match up to the numbers Gakpo had produced this season at all.
Think I have to add you to the no go list along with Dreamy when we're assembling the SCM negotiation team.
