Liverpool sack Rafa Benitez
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7798818/Rafa-Benitez-conquered-Europe-with-Liverpool-but-is-now-victim-of-owners-reign.html
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Rafa BenÃtez conquered Europe with Liverpool but is now victim of owners' reign
Approached by a newspaper hoping to engage him as a columnist for this summer’s World Cup, Rafael BenÃtez politely refused, explaining that such a task would be too much work for a man hoping to enjoy a summer with his family.
By Rory Smith
Published: 7:30AM BST 03 Jun 2010
“For example,†he said. With him, there is always an example. “When I did commentary for Spanish TV on a Real Betis match, I spoke to players from both teams to find out how they’d line up, how they expected to play. Only then could I say how well they’d executed their plans. It has to be right. I cannot just do it in 20 minutes, like some pundits.†Obsessive, meticulous, perfectionist.
Given that he would put such effort into a newspaper column, it is easy to imagine the diligence with which he attacked his day job. He returned to his Melwood office after another of the emotional, intense European nights which became his speciality in six years at Anfield to watch reruns of the game, highlighting areas for improvement.
Such traits are highly prized at Liverpool, even now, even when the club has lost sight of the path it followed under Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish.
Little wonder that when BenÃtez arrived, fresh from La Liga and Uefa Cup triumphs at Valencia, that the coach who had seemed restive in his early years looked to have found a club where he fitted.
The Kop took to him immediately, any doubts as to his ability engendered by a mediocre first league campaign washed away in the fevered fantasy of Istanbul in 2005; any fears over his character dismissed by his appearance in a German pub thronged with Liverpool fans prior to victory in the last-16.
The breathless FA Cup triumph which followed in Cardiff in 2006 cemented his place in Liverpool’s folklore. Even defeat in Athens, AC Milan’s revenge, in 2007 and the barbs of opposing fans could not shake Anfield’s faith. BenÃtez was the conqueror of Europe, Jose Mourinho’s nemesis and Shankly’s heir, protector of the Liverpool way.
Anfield was a very different place, though. David Moores had sold the club for £218.9 million to Tom Hicks and George Gillett in February 2007, the new “custodians†vowing to take Liverpool to the Promised Land, the league title. The Americans, their promises and their wallets empty, would serve only to deepen the club’s purgatory.
They had scarcely been in charge for six months when details emerged of their conversations with Jurgen Klinsmann over the possibility ofhim succeeding BenÃtez, should he decide to go.
The Spaniard bit back, repeating the mantra that he was “focused on preparing and coaching his teamâ€, the dismissive, arrogant phrase his absentee landlords had directed at him as they sharpened the knife to plunge in his back. In hindsight, that was the breaking point.
Since then, BenÃtez has found himself doing anything but focusing on preparing and coaching his team. To borrow one of the terms he deploys most to describe the players he tries to bring to his sides, the Spaniard was condemned to operate between the lines.
He has played politician, forging shifting alliances with Liverpool’s power-brokers and eventually learning to thrive amid the backbiting and infighting as the relationship between Hicks, Gillett and Rick Parry, the erstwhile chief executive, deteriorated.
And he played bank manager, too, as the debt mountain placed on the club by Hicks and Gillett soared, wheeling and dealing to balance the books. In BenÃtez’s own words, Liverpool have, for two years, been a company, not a football team.
He enjoyed only limited success in the role of the Spanish Harry Redknapp. Many of his buys have been ill-judged, his failure to leave Liverpool with a squad imbued with quality in depth the most damning indictment of his tenure.
That did not stop him mounting Liverpool’s first genuine title challenge for almost a decade, though, even as chaos threatened to engulf the club. That success, though, could never last in such a flawed environment.
BenÃtez’s magic touch deserted him, his five-year, £20 million contract signed in March 2009 – the final act in his struggle for power with Parry – left looking like a monument to the club’s folly. Liverpool, in the space of a few months, lost their Champions League status not twice, and found themselves cut adrift from the Premier League elite.
Anfield has been afforded a glimpse of the obscurity which awaits England’s most decorated club in any future in which Hicks and Gillett remain.
Whatever his faults, whatever his mistakes, whatever his spend, BenÃtez’s exit should not be seen as proof that he is the man to blame. Liverpool’s imperfect perfectionist is simply the first victim.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7798818/Rafa-Benitez-conquered-Europe-with-Liverpool-but-is-now-victim-of-owners-reign.html
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Rafa BenÃtez conquered Europe with Liverpool but is now victim of owners' reign
Approached by a newspaper hoping to engage him as a columnist for this summer’s World Cup, Rafael BenÃtez politely refused, explaining that such a task would be too much work for a man hoping to enjoy a summer with his family.
By Rory Smith
Published: 7:30AM BST 03 Jun 2010
“For example,†he said. With him, there is always an example. “When I did commentary for Spanish TV on a Real Betis match, I spoke to players from both teams to find out how they’d line up, how they expected to play. Only then could I say how well they’d executed their plans. It has to be right. I cannot just do it in 20 minutes, like some pundits.†Obsessive, meticulous, perfectionist.
Given that he would put such effort into a newspaper column, it is easy to imagine the diligence with which he attacked his day job. He returned to his Melwood office after another of the emotional, intense European nights which became his speciality in six years at Anfield to watch reruns of the game, highlighting areas for improvement.
Such traits are highly prized at Liverpool, even now, even when the club has lost sight of the path it followed under Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish.
Little wonder that when BenÃtez arrived, fresh from La Liga and Uefa Cup triumphs at Valencia, that the coach who had seemed restive in his early years looked to have found a club where he fitted.
The Kop took to him immediately, any doubts as to his ability engendered by a mediocre first league campaign washed away in the fevered fantasy of Istanbul in 2005; any fears over his character dismissed by his appearance in a German pub thronged with Liverpool fans prior to victory in the last-16.
The breathless FA Cup triumph which followed in Cardiff in 2006 cemented his place in Liverpool’s folklore. Even defeat in Athens, AC Milan’s revenge, in 2007 and the barbs of opposing fans could not shake Anfield’s faith. BenÃtez was the conqueror of Europe, Jose Mourinho’s nemesis and Shankly’s heir, protector of the Liverpool way.
Anfield was a very different place, though. David Moores had sold the club for £218.9 million to Tom Hicks and George Gillett in February 2007, the new “custodians†vowing to take Liverpool to the Promised Land, the league title. The Americans, their promises and their wallets empty, would serve only to deepen the club’s purgatory.
They had scarcely been in charge for six months when details emerged of their conversations with Jurgen Klinsmann over the possibility ofhim succeeding BenÃtez, should he decide to go.
The Spaniard bit back, repeating the mantra that he was “focused on preparing and coaching his teamâ€, the dismissive, arrogant phrase his absentee landlords had directed at him as they sharpened the knife to plunge in his back. In hindsight, that was the breaking point.
Since then, BenÃtez has found himself doing anything but focusing on preparing and coaching his team. To borrow one of the terms he deploys most to describe the players he tries to bring to his sides, the Spaniard was condemned to operate between the lines.
He has played politician, forging shifting alliances with Liverpool’s power-brokers and eventually learning to thrive amid the backbiting and infighting as the relationship between Hicks, Gillett and Rick Parry, the erstwhile chief executive, deteriorated.
And he played bank manager, too, as the debt mountain placed on the club by Hicks and Gillett soared, wheeling and dealing to balance the books. In BenÃtez’s own words, Liverpool have, for two years, been a company, not a football team.
He enjoyed only limited success in the role of the Spanish Harry Redknapp. Many of his buys have been ill-judged, his failure to leave Liverpool with a squad imbued with quality in depth the most damning indictment of his tenure.
That did not stop him mounting Liverpool’s first genuine title challenge for almost a decade, though, even as chaos threatened to engulf the club. That success, though, could never last in such a flawed environment.
BenÃtez’s magic touch deserted him, his five-year, £20 million contract signed in March 2009 – the final act in his struggle for power with Parry – left looking like a monument to the club’s folly. Liverpool, in the space of a few months, lost their Champions League status not twice, and found themselves cut adrift from the Premier League elite.
Anfield has been afforded a glimpse of the obscurity which awaits England’s most decorated club in any future in which Hicks and Gillett remain.
Whatever his faults, whatever his mistakes, whatever his spend, BenÃtez’s exit should not be seen as proof that he is the man to blame. Liverpool’s imperfect perfectionist is simply the first victim.
I think leaving Liverpool will be a good move for Benitez. He will have a fresh start in a new club who is ready for him. I am sure he will have success, and the relationship will not be weared out as it is now. Sometimes a fresh start is good for a manager also!!
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40455.msg1112030#msg1112030 date=1275558348]
You should know about regurgitating the same shit, Mr 39000+ posts. I have an idea for you, get a woman, or in your case a man, and a life.
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This is saying something, but that is easily one of the most pathetic and embarrassing posts in 6CM history
You should know about regurgitating the same shit, Mr 39000+ posts. I have an idea for you, get a woman, or in your case a man, and a life.
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This is saying something, but that is easily one of the most pathetic and embarrassing posts in 6CM history
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112361#msg1112361 date=1275570476]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112355#msg1112355 date=1275569671]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112349#msg1112349 date=1275569392]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112344#msg1112344 date=1275569297]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
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Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
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make it crystal clear for me then.....
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Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
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No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
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... and I'm waiting...
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112355#msg1112355 date=1275569671]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112349#msg1112349 date=1275569392]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112344#msg1112344 date=1275569297]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
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Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
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make it crystal clear for me then.....
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Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
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No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
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... and I'm waiting...
with the depature of bren a insult vacume was created on the forum with many 6CM'ers rushing headlong to fill it.
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112361#msg1112361 date=1275570476]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112355#msg1112355 date=1275569671]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112349#msg1112349 date=1275569392]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112344#msg1112344 date=1275569297]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
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Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
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make it crystal clear for me then.....
[/quote]
Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
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No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
[/quote]
Rest assured I feel warned.......
Just for starters, how about the well documented close relationship between the pair, about the advice that has been solicited and provided between the two, about the social engagements and charity events that they have attended together, and the affaction displayed and commented upon between them? Im pretty sure all this is obvious to most Liverpool fans.
Quick examples:
Gerrard on Dalglish returning to am offical role at the club "It's a great idea to get Kenny in because it would give the club a massive lift. Put it this way, if I was a young player again and a number of clubs wanted to sign me, if Kenny came to me and asked me to sign for Liverpool then there is only one place I would go."
Dalglish on Gerrard:"I have known Steven Gerrard since he came to Liverpool FC as a 14-year-old. Despite the fame and obvious wealth that comes with his level of success, he has not forgotten his roots. I believe those values have been instilled in him by his mum and dad, who I have also met and who are lovely peopleâ€
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112355#msg1112355 date=1275569671]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112349#msg1112349 date=1275569392]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112344#msg1112344 date=1275569297]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
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Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
[/quote]
make it crystal clear for me then.....
[/quote]
Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
[/quote]
No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
[/quote]
Rest assured I feel warned.......
Just for starters, how about the well documented close relationship between the pair, about the advice that has been solicited and provided between the two, about the social engagements and charity events that they have attended together, and the affaction displayed and commented upon between them? Im pretty sure all this is obvious to most Liverpool fans.
Quick examples:
Gerrard on Dalglish returning to am offical role at the club "It's a great idea to get Kenny in because it would give the club a massive lift. Put it this way, if I was a young player again and a number of clubs wanted to sign me, if Kenny came to me and asked me to sign for Liverpool then there is only one place I would go."
Dalglish on Gerrard:"I have known Steven Gerrard since he came to Liverpool FC as a 14-year-old. Despite the fame and obvious wealth that comes with his level of success, he has not forgotten his roots. I believe those values have been instilled in him by his mum and dad, who I have also met and who are lovely peopleâ€
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=40455.msg1112371#msg1112371 date=1275571628]
I think leaving Liverpool will be a good move for Benitez. He will have a fresh start in a new club who is ready for him. I am sure he will have success, and the relationship will not be weared out as it is now. Sometimes a fresh start is good for a manager also!!
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agreed. it is also going to be extremely odd observing him elsewhere.
I think leaving Liverpool will be a good move for Benitez. He will have a fresh start in a new club who is ready for him. I am sure he will have success, and the relationship will not be weared out as it is now. Sometimes a fresh start is good for a manager also!!
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agreed. it is also going to be extremely odd observing him elsewhere.
After reading those comments grjt, I wouldn't be against Kenny as care taker manager until we have new owners or someone extremely good lined up.
After Jose went to Real, the list of potential managers that can acutally take this club somewhere is short to say the least.
After Jose went to Real, the list of potential managers that can acutally take this club somewhere is short to say the least.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=40455.msg1112371#msg1112371 date=1275571628]
I think leaving Liverpool will be a good move for Benitez. He will have a fresh start in a new club who is ready for him. I am sure he will have success, and the relationship will not be weared out as it is now. Sometimes a fresh start is good for a manager also!!
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Agree overall, though his family will be gutted (as will the man himself, I suspect) and they'll have to overcome that to begin with.
I'll wish him well and be glad if he is successful - provided it isn't at our expense in Europe! If we DO come up against him there, we'll have a right job on.
I think leaving Liverpool will be a good move for Benitez. He will have a fresh start in a new club who is ready for him. I am sure he will have success, and the relationship will not be weared out as it is now. Sometimes a fresh start is good for a manager also!!
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Agree overall, though his family will be gutted (as will the man himself, I suspect) and they'll have to overcome that to begin with.
I'll wish him well and be glad if he is successful - provided it isn't at our expense in Europe! If we DO come up against him there, we'll have a right job on.
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112377#msg1112377 date=1275572195]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112361#msg1112361 date=1275570476]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112355#msg1112355 date=1275569671]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112349#msg1112349 date=1275569392]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112344#msg1112344 date=1275569297]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
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Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
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make it crystal clear for me then.....
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Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
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No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
[/quote]
Rest assured I feel warned.......
Just for starters, how about the well documented close relationship between the pair, about the advice that has been solicited and provided between the two, about the social engagements and charity events that they have attended together, and the affaction displayed and commented upon between them? Im pretty sure all this is obvious to most Liverpool fans.
Quick examples:
Gerrard on Dalglish returning to am offical role at the club "It's a great idea to get Kenny in because it would give the club a massive lift. Put it this way, if I was a young player again and a number of clubs wanted to sign me, if Kenny came to me and asked me to sign for Liverpool then there is only one place I would go."
Dalglish on Gerrard:"I have known Steven Gerrard since he came to Liverpool FC as a 14-year-old. Despite the fame and obvious wealth that comes with his level of success, he has not forgotten his roots. I believe those values have been instilled in him by his mum and dad, who I have also met and who are lovely peopleâ€
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Fucking hell, grjt. Is that the best you can do after all that build-up and sententiousness?
You've made yourself look like a prize twat here.
Stevie M is right: Mourinho at the richest club in world football versus Dalglish at impoverished, squabbling, desperate Liverpool is not a battle I'd back us to win. If Gerrard stays, it won't be because Kenny had a cup of tea with his parents once.
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112361#msg1112361 date=1275570476]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112355#msg1112355 date=1275569671]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112349#msg1112349 date=1275569392]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112344#msg1112344 date=1275569297]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
[/quote]
Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
[/quote]
make it crystal clear for me then.....
[/quote]
Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
[/quote]
No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
[/quote]
Rest assured I feel warned.......
Just for starters, how about the well documented close relationship between the pair, about the advice that has been solicited and provided between the two, about the social engagements and charity events that they have attended together, and the affaction displayed and commented upon between them? Im pretty sure all this is obvious to most Liverpool fans.
Quick examples:
Gerrard on Dalglish returning to am offical role at the club "It's a great idea to get Kenny in because it would give the club a massive lift. Put it this way, if I was a young player again and a number of clubs wanted to sign me, if Kenny came to me and asked me to sign for Liverpool then there is only one place I would go."
Dalglish on Gerrard:"I have known Steven Gerrard since he came to Liverpool FC as a 14-year-old. Despite the fame and obvious wealth that comes with his level of success, he has not forgotten his roots. I believe those values have been instilled in him by his mum and dad, who I have also met and who are lovely peopleâ€
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Fucking hell, grjt. Is that the best you can do after all that build-up and sententiousness?
You've made yourself look like a prize twat here.
Stevie M is right: Mourinho at the richest club in world football versus Dalglish at impoverished, squabbling, desperate Liverpool is not a battle I'd back us to win. If Gerrard stays, it won't be because Kenny had a cup of tea with his parents once.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40455.msg1112381#msg1112381 date=1275572577]
After reading those comments grjt, I wouldn't be against Kenny as care taker manager until we have new owners or someone extremely good lined up.
After Jose went to Real, the list of potential managers that can acutally take this club somewhere is short to say the least.
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IMHO there isn't one - even Mourinho - who can take us anywhere much until the off-the-field position is settled, though they can certainly keep us challenging for a CL spot . That's why a caretaker is a good idea for now, and appointing the King would lift the whole club IMO.
After reading those comments grjt, I wouldn't be against Kenny as care taker manager until we have new owners or someone extremely good lined up.
After Jose went to Real, the list of potential managers that can acutally take this club somewhere is short to say the least.
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IMHO there isn't one - even Mourinho - who can take us anywhere much until the off-the-field position is settled, though they can certainly keep us challenging for a CL spot . That's why a caretaker is a good idea for now, and appointing the King would lift the whole club IMO.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40455.msg1112382#msg1112382 date=1275572584]
He really is a mental case. I think I know why he attracts a certain kind of fan.
He's our very own Charlie Babbit.
'benayoun never passes....excellent player.....very good player.......never passes......excellent player....'
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I thought exactly the same thing when reading this! I knew I was supposed to feel proud at his attention to detail, and exacting demands, but I just thought "what the fuck are you on about you fool....watch the game, comment on what is going on in front of you, provide the tv station with what they want". What did he actually do in the commentary - constantly refer back to how the team was supposed to be playing rather than how they actually were?
You can see Rafa sitting in a traffic jam in Milan furiously beating his SatNav and muttering "but I checked and rechecked the route earlier, this is the right route, I know its the right route because I checked it, why is this happening, there cant be any traffic because I checked for it, I have analysed this and there should be no traffic; i will sit here and refuse to accept that this traffic is getting in the way, because I am right".
He really is a mental case. I think I know why he attracts a certain kind of fan.
He's our very own Charlie Babbit.
'benayoun never passes....excellent player.....very good player.......never passes......excellent player....'
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I thought exactly the same thing when reading this! I knew I was supposed to feel proud at his attention to detail, and exacting demands, but I just thought "what the fuck are you on about you fool....watch the game, comment on what is going on in front of you, provide the tv station with what they want". What did he actually do in the commentary - constantly refer back to how the team was supposed to be playing rather than how they actually were?
You can see Rafa sitting in a traffic jam in Milan furiously beating his SatNav and muttering "but I checked and rechecked the route earlier, this is the right route, I know its the right route because I checked it, why is this happening, there cant be any traffic because I checked for it, I have analysed this and there should be no traffic; i will sit here and refuse to accept that this traffic is getting in the way, because I am right".
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Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
I'd be willing to bet his mind isn't made up, Oncy. Mourinho will be a powerful attraction for him, but so will his attachment to Liverpool (club and city). Unlike you my money would be on him staying now, though I wouldn't be altogether surprised to be wrong about that.
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[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
Just reading the Barrett webchat on The Times website, a few things he has said:
Is it true that player power played a part in offering Rafa the severence package?
Hello Kamal,
This myth is being perpetuated to ridiculous levels now. I spoke to a very senior Liverpool player today, one who has been outspoken in his criticism of the owners, and he told me the Liverpool dressing room was no different to any other. There are players who don't like Benitez. there are others who do like him and there are those who change their opinion of the manager according to variables such as whether or not they are in the team and results.
Tony, do you think the club 'sources' who have been leaking things all season, have made it their mission to undermine Rafa? And more importantly, will they follow Rafa out the door?
Hello Tony, Liverpool has been a nasty place over the last 12 months, that's for sure. I just hope that the club can somehow rediscover the dignity that used to be its watchword. But I'm not holding my breath.
Should fans be really worried about the state of the club now?
Yes Stef, the Liverpool supporters should be as worried about the state of their club now as they ever have been. The fact that they could not even afford to dismiss their manager tells you what a sorry state they are in.
Tony, do you think it would be wise of Kenny to risk tarnishing his legendary status, by taking on the job in the short term?
Hello Deane, you are one of many to ask about Kenny Dalglish and the only way I can answer those questions right now is to say that Dalglish seems the logical shoet term successor to Dalglish and he is very highly thought of - and very close to - Christian Purslow.
Chances out of 10 of these players being at the club next season?
Your list of players didn't come through Scott but I can probably guess who they are so I'll have a go:
Torres - 3/10
Gerrard 5/10
Reina - 9/10
Mascherano 3/10
Carragher 10/10
And one for good luck: Degen hopefully 0/10
http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2010/06/liverpool-webchat-with-tony-barrett.html
Is it true that player power played a part in offering Rafa the severence package?
Hello Kamal,
This myth is being perpetuated to ridiculous levels now. I spoke to a very senior Liverpool player today, one who has been outspoken in his criticism of the owners, and he told me the Liverpool dressing room was no different to any other. There are players who don't like Benitez. there are others who do like him and there are those who change their opinion of the manager according to variables such as whether or not they are in the team and results.
Tony, do you think the club 'sources' who have been leaking things all season, have made it their mission to undermine Rafa? And more importantly, will they follow Rafa out the door?
Hello Tony, Liverpool has been a nasty place over the last 12 months, that's for sure. I just hope that the club can somehow rediscover the dignity that used to be its watchword. But I'm not holding my breath.
Should fans be really worried about the state of the club now?
Yes Stef, the Liverpool supporters should be as worried about the state of their club now as they ever have been. The fact that they could not even afford to dismiss their manager tells you what a sorry state they are in.
Tony, do you think it would be wise of Kenny to risk tarnishing his legendary status, by taking on the job in the short term?
Hello Deane, you are one of many to ask about Kenny Dalglish and the only way I can answer those questions right now is to say that Dalglish seems the logical shoet term successor to Dalglish and he is very highly thought of - and very close to - Christian Purslow.
Chances out of 10 of these players being at the club next season?
Your list of players didn't come through Scott but I can probably guess who they are so I'll have a go:
Torres - 3/10
Gerrard 5/10
Reina - 9/10
Mascherano 3/10
Carragher 10/10
And one for good luck: Degen hopefully 0/10
http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2010/06/liverpool-webchat-with-tony-barrett.html
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[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
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Hahaha! "im going to put my neck on the line here and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz". Thanks dullard - any contribution other than "lets all quit our season tickets THAT will show those Yanks"?
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40455.msg1112389#msg1112389 date=1275573125]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
[/quote]
Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[/quote]
Hahaha! "im going to put my neck on the line here and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz". Thanks dullard - any contribution other than "lets all quit our season tickets THAT will show those Yanks"?
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40455.msg1112389#msg1112389 date=1275573125]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
[/quote]
Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[/quote]
Yes, he is a cunt.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40455.msg1112389#msg1112389 date=1275573125]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
[/quote]
Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[/quote]
Yes, he is a cunt.
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
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Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
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make it crystal clear for me then.....
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Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
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No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
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Rest assured I feel warned.......
Just for starters, how about the well documented close relationship between the pair, about the advice that has been solicited and provided between the two, about the social engagements and charity events that they have attended together, and the affaction displayed and commented upon between them? Im pretty sure all this is obvious to most Liverpool fans.
Quick examples:
Gerrard on Dalglish returning to am offical role at the club "It's a great idea to get Kenny in because it would give the club a massive lift. Put it this way, if I was a young player again and a number of clubs wanted to sign me, if Kenny came to me and asked me to sign for Liverpool then there is only one place I would go."
Dalglish on Gerrard:"I have known Steven Gerrard since he came to Liverpool FC as a 14-year-old. Despite the fame and obvious wealth that comes with his level of success, he has not forgotten his roots. I believe those values have been instilled in him by his mum and dad, who I have also met and who are lovely peopleâ€
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In his biography Gerrard made 2 references to Dalglish. One for his boyhood heroes and the other was his father telling him to put Dalglish’s poster on the wall.
Unsurprisingly… Rafa…. Gets a little bit more in the same book….
“Friends ask me whether Rafa’s cold attitude pisses me off, but it honestly doesn’t. That indifference is one in a million reasons why Rafa is a top coachâ€
“I must crack it though. I want to deliver in games to impress Rafa.â€
So again… what is it that makes you think Gerrard will stay “just†because Dalglish is at the club.
I might suggest tat it is YOU needs to have a think about things…
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40455.msg1112335#msg1112335 date=1275568948]
Actually... fuck it... what is the relationship between Gerrard & Dalglish????
Dalglish left Liverpool in 1991 when Gerrard was 11.
His relationship with LFC growing up was with Steve Highway... and I expect he would have been very pissed off at Benitez' treatment of him.
Formative early years Roy Evans, but Houllier gave him the start and was the "father figure" and arugably he had his best season under Benitez.
Where does Dalglish fit in?
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Per my earlier post - you know absolutley nothing, but this didnt stop you having an opinion. Now you are actually asking for clarification on the topic you have already commented on; fantatsic!
[/quote]
make it crystal clear for me then.....
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Just before I do, are you genuinely admitting that you made a know-nothing jibe at a posted point of view, but are now owning up to not knowing a single jot of the background on the topic?
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No... Dalglish was my hero.... bujt apart from being a legend I don't seer the relevance with Gerrard.
Quite frankly.... I'm half pissed... so if you want to make a complete bollocks of me... now's your chance.
But I warn you..... be very sure....
[/quote]
Rest assured I feel warned.......
Just for starters, how about the well documented close relationship between the pair, about the advice that has been solicited and provided between the two, about the social engagements and charity events that they have attended together, and the affaction displayed and commented upon between them? Im pretty sure all this is obvious to most Liverpool fans.
Quick examples:
Gerrard on Dalglish returning to am offical role at the club "It's a great idea to get Kenny in because it would give the club a massive lift. Put it this way, if I was a young player again and a number of clubs wanted to sign me, if Kenny came to me and asked me to sign for Liverpool then there is only one place I would go."
Dalglish on Gerrard:"I have known Steven Gerrard since he came to Liverpool FC as a 14-year-old. Despite the fame and obvious wealth that comes with his level of success, he has not forgotten his roots. I believe those values have been instilled in him by his mum and dad, who I have also met and who are lovely peopleâ€
[/quote]
In his biography Gerrard made 2 references to Dalglish. One for his boyhood heroes and the other was his father telling him to put Dalglish’s poster on the wall.
Unsurprisingly… Rafa…. Gets a little bit more in the same book….
“Friends ask me whether Rafa’s cold attitude pisses me off, but it honestly doesn’t. That indifference is one in a million reasons why Rafa is a top coachâ€
“I must crack it though. I want to deliver in games to impress Rafa.â€
So again… what is it that makes you think Gerrard will stay “just†because Dalglish is at the club.
I might suggest tat it is YOU needs to have a think about things…
Webchat again:
Comment From Rashid Rashid:
You probably won't answer this Tony like the last time; but 19 defeats, 11 in the league, with a team that finished 2nd last season... spent £17m on a crock and another £17 on a right back we didn't need more than we needed a striker, ale house football, and losing to teams who spent 1/10 of what we have over the past 6 years - and he didn't deserve the sack? LFC fans have "lost one battle"? - does Rafa pay you to write articles for him Tony?
Hope you've got a good lawyer Rashid, accusing a journalist of taking backhanders is a clear libel. Particularly as at no point have I claimed that the Liverpool fans have lost a battle with Benitez going. I did say he has lost a battle. Your other criticisms are valid.
Rashid, always the nutter
Comment From Rashid Rashid:
You probably won't answer this Tony like the last time; but 19 defeats, 11 in the league, with a team that finished 2nd last season... spent £17m on a crock and another £17 on a right back we didn't need more than we needed a striker, ale house football, and losing to teams who spent 1/10 of what we have over the past 6 years - and he didn't deserve the sack? LFC fans have "lost one battle"? - does Rafa pay you to write articles for him Tony?
Hope you've got a good lawyer Rashid, accusing a journalist of taking backhanders is a clear libel. Particularly as at no point have I claimed that the Liverpool fans have lost a battle with Benitez going. I did say he has lost a battle. Your other criticisms are valid.
Rashid, always the nutter
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40455.msg1112385#msg1112385 date=1275572788]
Fucking hell, grjt. Is that the best you can do after all that build-up and sententiousness?
You've made yourself look like a prize twat here.
Stevie M is right: Mourinho at the richest club in world football versus Dalglish at impoverished, squabbling, desperate Liverpool is not a battle I'd back us to win. If Gerrard stays, it won't be because Kenny had a cup of tea with his parents once.
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The standing of the relationship between Dalglish and Gerrard is clear to anyone who has heard them speak about each other. If youre suggesting I trawl the internet for all documented examples of this, then you can get fucked. The quotes are indicative, and insightful - if you want chapter and verse of them bulling each other up, find it yourself - but dont claim that there isnt a rleationship there simply because you cant be bothered to look (per my challenge to our australian friend).
If you read back, what I said was that Gerrard would never simply walk out on Kenny - and in another thread I even siad that given their relationship Dalglish may advise Gerrard that the time was right to try another option away from Liverpool. What you can be pretty sure of was that Gerrard was more than likely to be away after the WC with Benitez at the helm - with Dalglish as boss he is far more likely to consider staying.
Thanks for the twat comment - appreciate all of your insightful posts and contribution to the debate.
Fucking hell, grjt. Is that the best you can do after all that build-up and sententiousness?
You've made yourself look like a prize twat here.
Stevie M is right: Mourinho at the richest club in world football versus Dalglish at impoverished, squabbling, desperate Liverpool is not a battle I'd back us to win. If Gerrard stays, it won't be because Kenny had a cup of tea with his parents once.
[/quote]
The standing of the relationship between Dalglish and Gerrard is clear to anyone who has heard them speak about each other. If youre suggesting I trawl the internet for all documented examples of this, then you can get fucked. The quotes are indicative, and insightful - if you want chapter and verse of them bulling each other up, find it yourself - but dont claim that there isnt a rleationship there simply because you cant be bothered to look (per my challenge to our australian friend).
If you read back, what I said was that Gerrard would never simply walk out on Kenny - and in another thread I even siad that given their relationship Dalglish may advise Gerrard that the time was right to try another option away from Liverpool. What you can be pretty sure of was that Gerrard was more than likely to be away after the WC with Benitez at the helm - with Dalglish as boss he is far more likely to consider staying.
Thanks for the twat comment - appreciate all of your insightful posts and contribution to the debate.
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[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
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Yes, he is a cunt.
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Outstanding contribution little girl - still feeling a little sensitive from earlier? Did someone hurt your feelings?
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[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[/quote]
Yes, he is a cunt.
[/quote]
Outstanding contribution little girl - still feeling a little sensitive from earlier? Did someone hurt your feelings?
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[quote author=themn link=topic=40455.msg1112397#msg1112397 date=1275573784]
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40455.msg1112389#msg1112389 date=1275573125]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[/quote]
Yes, he is a cunt.
[/quote]
Outstanding contribution little girl - still feeling a little sensitive from earlier? Did someone hurt your feelings?
[/quote]
Ha ha no.
Cunt.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40455.msg1112389#msg1112389 date=1275573125]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
[/quote]
Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[/quote]
Yes, he is a cunt.
[/quote]
Outstanding contribution little girl - still feeling a little sensitive from earlier? Did someone hurt your feelings?
[/quote]
Ha ha no.
Cunt.
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40455.msg1112385#msg1112385 date=1275572788]
Fucking hell, grjt. Is that the best you can do after all that build-up and sententiousness?
You've made yourself look like a prize twat here.
Stevie M is right: Mourinho at the richest club in world football versus Dalglish at impoverished, squabbling, desperate Liverpool is not a battle I'd back us to win. If Gerrard stays, it won't be because Kenny had a cup of tea with his parents once.
[/quote]
The standing of the relationship between Dalglish and Gerrard is clear to anyone who has heard them speak about each other. If youre suggesting I trawl the internet for all documented examples of this, then you can get fucked. The quotes are indicative, and insightful - if you want chapter and verse of them bulling each other up, find it yourself - but dont claim that there isnt a rleationship there simply because you cant be bothered to look (per my challenge to our australian friend).
If you read back, what I said was that Gerrard would never simply walk out on Kenny - and in another thread I even siad that given their relationship Dalglish may advise Gerrard that the time was right to try another option away from Liverpool. What you can be pretty sure of was that Gerrard was more than likely to be away after the WC with Benitez at the helm - with Dalglish as boss he is far more likely to consider staying.
Thanks for the twat comment - appreciate all of your insightful posts and contribution to the debate.
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First of all I'm not fuckin' Australian.
Second of all... what is that fuckin' relationship apart from a few quotes of the media?
Seriously.... do you think Gerrard is "waiting on baited breath for Dalglish to be appointed.
What is his relationship with Dalglish... professionally..???
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40455.msg1112385#msg1112385 date=1275572788]
Fucking hell, grjt. Is that the best you can do after all that build-up and sententiousness?
You've made yourself look like a prize twat here.
Stevie M is right: Mourinho at the richest club in world football versus Dalglish at impoverished, squabbling, desperate Liverpool is not a battle I'd back us to win. If Gerrard stays, it won't be because Kenny had a cup of tea with his parents once.
[/quote]
The standing of the relationship between Dalglish and Gerrard is clear to anyone who has heard them speak about each other. If youre suggesting I trawl the internet for all documented examples of this, then you can get fucked. The quotes are indicative, and insightful - if you want chapter and verse of them bulling each other up, find it yourself - but dont claim that there isnt a rleationship there simply because you cant be bothered to look (per my challenge to our australian friend).
If you read back, what I said was that Gerrard would never simply walk out on Kenny - and in another thread I even siad that given their relationship Dalglish may advise Gerrard that the time was right to try another option away from Liverpool. What you can be pretty sure of was that Gerrard was more than likely to be away after the WC with Benitez at the helm - with Dalglish as boss he is far more likely to consider staying.
Thanks for the twat comment - appreciate all of your insightful posts and contribution to the debate.
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First of all I'm not fuckin' Australian.
Second of all... what is that fuckin' relationship apart from a few quotes of the media?
Seriously.... do you think Gerrard is "waiting on baited breath for Dalglish to be appointed.
What is his relationship with Dalglish... professionally..???
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[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112386#msg1112386 date=1275572936]
Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
[/quote]
Yes, he is a cunt.
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Outstanding contribution little girl - still feeling a little sensitive from earlier? Did someone hurt your feelings?
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Ha ha no.
Cunt.
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Are you sure? You seem to be getting very upset. And it looks like youre now trying to take it out on posters in other threads....should we be worried about you or is it just an ickle tantrum?
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Well that's pissed on Oncy's post
[/quote]Only if you agree with Bunnyman.
I dunno if gerrard would stay regardless and I personally think his mind is already made up. That wasn't really grjts point though I don't think. I think it was more about stevieM talking about things he had no clue about.
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Nah, grjt is annoying and hugely opinionated with little to back up said opinions apart from bluster.
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Yes, he is a cunt.
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Outstanding contribution little girl - still feeling a little sensitive from earlier? Did someone hurt your feelings?
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Ha ha no.
Cunt.
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Are you sure? You seem to be getting very upset. And it looks like youre now trying to take it out on posters in other threads....should we be worried about you or is it just an ickle tantrum?
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