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.................................Mignolet.............................
GlenJo...........Skrtel..............Agger...........Enrique
.................................Lucas..................................
.....................Gerrard.........Henderson..................
Aspas.....................Sturridge..................Coutinho
If that doesn't work, I'd sub Lucas for Sterling (or Ibe, form depending) and move Gerrard and Henderson back with Coutinho playing the advanced role.
.......................Gerrard.........Henderson.................
.................................Coutinho..............................
Aspas....................Sturridge......................Sterling
GlenJo...........Skrtel..............Agger...........Enrique
.................................Lucas..................................
.....................Gerrard.........Henderson..................
Aspas.....................Sturridge..................Coutinho
If that doesn't work, I'd sub Lucas for Sterling (or Ibe, form depending) and move Gerrard and Henderson back with Coutinho playing the advanced role.
.......................Gerrard.........Henderson.................
.................................Coutinho..............................
Aspas....................Sturridge......................Sterling
------------mignolet-------------
johnson skrtel agger enrique
--------lucas-----gerrard-------
-----------henderson-----------
aspas------------------coutinho
-----------sturridge-------------
subs: jones, wisdom, allen(if fit, alberto if not), sterling, borini, ibe
johnson skrtel agger enrique
--------lucas-----gerrard-------
-----------henderson-----------
aspas------------------coutinho
-----------sturridge-------------
subs: jones, wisdom, allen(if fit, alberto if not), sterling, borini, ibe
If we're losing 3 nil with ten minutes to go I'd take a draw. As of now I would on my fuck take one.
Liverpool win with a Daniel Sturridge hat trick in there somewhere.
Liverpool win with a Daniel Sturridge hat trick in there somewhere.
------------mignolet-------------
johnson skrtel agger enrique
--------lucas-----gerrard-------
-----------henderson-----------
moses----------------coutinho
-----------sturridge-------------
johnson skrtel agger enrique
--------lucas-----gerrard-------
-----------henderson-----------
moses----------------coutinho
-----------sturridge-------------
Not sure what to think about Skrtel coming back for this one. On one hand he is going to be desperate to prove himself and hopefully will be playing his best but on the other hand he is fresh off of injury and he didn't even play in the preseason did he?
There isn't really a safe option in Kolo's absence though.
Amazing how important he's become in how short a time.
Amazing how important he's become in how short a time.
It is, but let's not forget, a huge part of that is because his competition is two players who didn't get a look in last season and clearly don't really have a longterm future here anyway. And they've both been injured. If Skrtel had been fit through preseason and available for selection over the last few weeks, there would be less trepidation.
Skrtel should do fine. He is an experienced defender, not some kid we are throwing in at the deep end. Has Skrtel become a bad defender over night? It's odd we are panicking over an injury to Kolo Toure but i'm sure the same panic would be emanating if Skrtel was injured heading into the united game. HIs fitness levels are a concern alright.
More than happy to have Skrtel coming in as a replacement CB for this game. only 18 months ago was he being lauded as the best CB in the league and now there is concern about him even starting?! Agreed that his fitness levels are a worry but we'll see what Rodgers does there.
Skrtel for motm anyone?
reckon given will score if he starts this
Fan's view on Liverpool vs Man United: 'If football doesn't move us to care or scream or hate then why bother?'
30 Aug 2013 11:27
As the old rivalry fires up again on Sunday, we asked Nooruddean Choudry, better known as Twitter's Bearded Genius, what it means to the fans
Passion: Manchester United fans give their counterparts some stick at Anfield
November 26, 1985: Jan Molby steals possession of the ball during a scrappy Milk Cup encounter.
He runs half the length of the pitch before letting rip with a screamer just outside the area. It flashes past the keeper into the net and the away stand erupts.
Cameramen are on strike so there's no television audience. The goal remains unseen for a generation, but for those who witness it at the game. It is spoken about for years afterwards in almost mythical terms.
April 4, 1988: United are losing 3-1 away from home. They're down to ten men following a sending off and are being overrun in midfield. Norman Whiteside enters the fray and within seconds has planted a firm eight-studded hello onto the left shin of the opposition hard man. United mount a stirring comeback with Robson and Strachan providing the goals. Yet it's Big Norm's grand entrance and subsequent bossing of the game that endures in Mancunian folklore.
Neither of those instances or matches are of particular note or recollection to the outside world, but to Mancs and Scousers they resonate to this day. Not only because one was a stunning strike and the other a heroic comeback, but due to the fact they came against the enemy.
There's a hatred that fuels the joy and makes each small victory delicious. It's a mutual contempt that's as old as dinosaur sex (or at least the Manchester Ship Canal) and it simmers and boils within everyone complicit in a quarrel that has dominated the North for generations.
Not everyone would have it this way. Hypocrisy reigns in the haughty words of commentators who wish to sanitise our game and carve from it any element of tribalism. They’ll blabber on about the ‘Olympic spirit’ and what football supporters can learn from montage friendly Team GB-ers.
Yet they’ll happily scribe a paper forest on the theatre of El Classico or the ferocious nature of foreign derbies from Buenos Aires to Belgrade. Such passions abroad titillate their hipster sensibilities, yet they fear a local rage they can neither fathom nor control.
In our ridiculously over hyped HD era where every Sunday is super and each game somehow unmissable and season-defining, Manchester United versus Liverpool is real. It requires no forced narrative or manufactured grudge to sell subscriptions or improve circulation.
It’s pulsating anger and joy that courses through the veins of each man and woman born into it. Don’t lose. Don’t make Monday hell. Non-believers pray till their hands don’t close and even the most temperate lose their rag.
Of course, as with anything felt so raw and true, things can get out of hand and bleed into unpleasantness. Ghosts and tragedies are sometimes evoked in a way they shouldn't be. It’s unnecessary and a lid needs to be kept on such behaviour.
Football is never a matter of life and death, not that I for one second believe Shankly was being completely literal in his enigmatic statement. It is however vital to the existence of many and mustn't be distilled or sterilised into a retail ready commodity. Something to flog at the megastore.
Is all that we've become just nothing but hats and bags? An artificial atmosphere of half-half scarves and plastic flags? You can keep your mosaics. The hate is good, and it’s healthy. It’s based on something more than revenue generation or marketing speak.
If football doesn't move us to care or scream or hate then why bother? Whatever the outcome of Sunday’s game both sets of supporters will have visited the extremes of sporting emotion. In the afterglow of rapture they’ll have known love and hate. And the latter is just as vital as the former.
There is of course a begrudging subtext of respect. We hate you because you matter. We revel in your misery and spit on your name because you've earned our contempt. For a shared history and glorious past that fortunes cannot acquire.
But the resentment and ill feeling between Manc and Scouse must always be there. Give me a century of sleep before we give in to chummy indifference and hollow Soccer AM style banter.
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30 Aug 2013 11:27
As the old rivalry fires up again on Sunday, we asked Nooruddean Choudry, better known as Twitter's Bearded Genius, what it means to the fans
November 26, 1985: Jan Molby steals possession of the ball during a scrappy Milk Cup encounter.
He runs half the length of the pitch before letting rip with a screamer just outside the area. It flashes past the keeper into the net and the away stand erupts.
Cameramen are on strike so there's no television audience. The goal remains unseen for a generation, but for those who witness it at the game. It is spoken about for years afterwards in almost mythical terms.
April 4, 1988: United are losing 3-1 away from home. They're down to ten men following a sending off and are being overrun in midfield. Norman Whiteside enters the fray and within seconds has planted a firm eight-studded hello onto the left shin of the opposition hard man. United mount a stirring comeback with Robson and Strachan providing the goals. Yet it's Big Norm's grand entrance and subsequent bossing of the game that endures in Mancunian folklore.
Neither of those instances or matches are of particular note or recollection to the outside world, but to Mancs and Scousers they resonate to this day. Not only because one was a stunning strike and the other a heroic comeback, but due to the fact they came against the enemy.
There's a hatred that fuels the joy and makes each small victory delicious. It's a mutual contempt that's as old as dinosaur sex (or at least the Manchester Ship Canal) and it simmers and boils within everyone complicit in a quarrel that has dominated the North for generations.
Not everyone would have it this way. Hypocrisy reigns in the haughty words of commentators who wish to sanitise our game and carve from it any element of tribalism. They’ll blabber on about the ‘Olympic spirit’ and what football supporters can learn from montage friendly Team GB-ers.
Yet they’ll happily scribe a paper forest on the theatre of El Classico or the ferocious nature of foreign derbies from Buenos Aires to Belgrade. Such passions abroad titillate their hipster sensibilities, yet they fear a local rage they can neither fathom nor control.
In our ridiculously over hyped HD era where every Sunday is super and each game somehow unmissable and season-defining, Manchester United versus Liverpool is real. It requires no forced narrative or manufactured grudge to sell subscriptions or improve circulation.
It’s pulsating anger and joy that courses through the veins of each man and woman born into it. Don’t lose. Don’t make Monday hell. Non-believers pray till their hands don’t close and even the most temperate lose their rag.
Of course, as with anything felt so raw and true, things can get out of hand and bleed into unpleasantness. Ghosts and tragedies are sometimes evoked in a way they shouldn't be. It’s unnecessary and a lid needs to be kept on such behaviour.
Football is never a matter of life and death, not that I for one second believe Shankly was being completely literal in his enigmatic statement. It is however vital to the existence of many and mustn't be distilled or sterilised into a retail ready commodity. Something to flog at the megastore.
Is all that we've become just nothing but hats and bags? An artificial atmosphere of half-half scarves and plastic flags? You can keep your mosaics. The hate is good, and it’s healthy. It’s based on something more than revenue generation or marketing speak.
If football doesn't move us to care or scream or hate then why bother? Whatever the outcome of Sunday’s game both sets of supporters will have visited the extremes of sporting emotion. In the afterglow of rapture they’ll have known love and hate. And the latter is just as vital as the former.
There is of course a begrudging subtext of respect. We hate you because you matter. We revel in your misery and spit on your name because you've earned our contempt. For a shared history and glorious past that fortunes cannot acquire.
But the resentment and ill feeling between Manc and Scouse must always be there. Give me a century of sleep before we give in to chummy indifference and hollow Soccer AM style banter.
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I've never heard this before.. anyone here able to elaborate?
A goal like that would have been as remarkable for Molby running that far as it would for anything else. He was a tremendous player but didn't often feel the need to shift that much bulk over that kind of distance. 😀
Great goal. The Kop has my attention as much in that clip though. That huge seething mass of people, surging & moving as one, that's how you should watch footy,
Philippe Coutinho has put David Moyes in his place by claiming he had never heard of him before he came to England.
And in another snub for Manchester United, the Liverpool star says he never saw any of their triumphs until they won the Premier League last season.
He remembers Liverpool's sensational 2005 Champions League success as a 12-year-old growing up in Brazil, but he has no recollection of United lifting the trophy three years later.
When asked if he knew who Moyes was before he joined Liverpool from Inter Milan in January, Coutinho’s reply was a categoric: “No.”
His mind is just as a big blank when it comes to the club that likes to think it is one of the world’s biggest and he said: “I don’t remember watching United win any cups.
“I remember last season they won the league, that’s as far as I know.”
Coutinho, 21, certainly can’t be accused of fraternising with the enemy ahead of tomorrow’s showdown at Anfield .
He has spoken once to the Da Silva twins since arriving in England - he can’t recall which one - while his relationship with Anderson is confined to what he has seen of his compatriot on the telly.
“I know Fabio and Rafael from the national team when I was called up once when I was at Inter,” he said.
“But I have not had much contact with them since then and when I arrived here, I think I spoke once with one of them on the phone. I have not had much contact.”
What Coutinho does know about United is that they were consistently the team to beat under Sir Alex Ferguson - he had heard of him, by the way.
The playmaker, who supplies the bullets for marksman Daniel Sturridge, knows Liverpool have lagged behind them and is determined to help them close the gap on their fiercest rivals.
“They have some big players and just because they have changed manager, does not mean they have lost their way,” he said.
Phillipe Coutinho is looking forward to his first match against Manchester United
“We want to make up the ground we have lost on them and get back at them. Winning this match on Sunday can help us do that.
“I’ve not had the chance to play Man United yet, but from what I know about the history between the clubs, it’s even more passionate than the Milan derby.”
Coutinho hopes to play a key part for Liverpool tomorrow and is mindful he fluffed his lines during his last big moment on the Anfield stage against Chelsea in April.
He was taken off at half-time because he couldn’t get into the game and the 5ft 7ins Samba star says he has learnt from that disappointment.
“I know last season against Chelsea, I did not do as well as I should have, but that’s all in the past now,” he said.
“That match was very intense and I found it hard to get into the rhythm of the game. Now I’ve had that experience, I know what to do in order to be prepared for matches like this and play better.
“I know I have to be ready for every single ball, every pass, every challenge. Everything has to be at 100 per cent. You cannot give any advantage to the opposition player, and that’s how I intend to approach this.
“I know this game against Man United can create legends. I know how important it is to the supporters and throughout the week I’ve been doing everything I can to prepare myself mentally for this game so I can perform well.
“It would be fantastic if I could score the winning goal, and every player dreams of moments like that, but winning the match is most important.”
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And in another snub for Manchester United, the Liverpool star says he never saw any of their triumphs until they won the Premier League last season.
He remembers Liverpool's sensational 2005 Champions League success as a 12-year-old growing up in Brazil, but he has no recollection of United lifting the trophy three years later.
When asked if he knew who Moyes was before he joined Liverpool from Inter Milan in January, Coutinho’s reply was a categoric: “No.”
His mind is just as a big blank when it comes to the club that likes to think it is one of the world’s biggest and he said: “I don’t remember watching United win any cups.
“I remember last season they won the league, that’s as far as I know.”
Coutinho, 21, certainly can’t be accused of fraternising with the enemy ahead of tomorrow’s showdown at Anfield .
He has spoken once to the Da Silva twins since arriving in England - he can’t recall which one - while his relationship with Anderson is confined to what he has seen of his compatriot on the telly.
“I know Fabio and Rafael from the national team when I was called up once when I was at Inter,” he said.
“But I have not had much contact with them since then and when I arrived here, I think I spoke once with one of them on the phone. I have not had much contact.”
What Coutinho does know about United is that they were consistently the team to beat under Sir Alex Ferguson - he had heard of him, by the way.
The playmaker, who supplies the bullets for marksman Daniel Sturridge, knows Liverpool have lagged behind them and is determined to help them close the gap on their fiercest rivals.
“They have some big players and just because they have changed manager, does not mean they have lost their way,” he said.
“We want to make up the ground we have lost on them and get back at them. Winning this match on Sunday can help us do that.
“I’ve not had the chance to play Man United yet, but from what I know about the history between the clubs, it’s even more passionate than the Milan derby.”
Coutinho hopes to play a key part for Liverpool tomorrow and is mindful he fluffed his lines during his last big moment on the Anfield stage against Chelsea in April.
He was taken off at half-time because he couldn’t get into the game and the 5ft 7ins Samba star says he has learnt from that disappointment.
“I know last season against Chelsea, I did not do as well as I should have, but that’s all in the past now,” he said.
“That match was very intense and I found it hard to get into the rhythm of the game. Now I’ve had that experience, I know what to do in order to be prepared for matches like this and play better.
“I know I have to be ready for every single ball, every pass, every challenge. Everything has to be at 100 per cent. You cannot give any advantage to the opposition player, and that’s how I intend to approach this.
“I know this game against Man United can create legends. I know how important it is to the supporters and throughout the week I’ve been doing everything I can to prepare myself mentally for this game so I can perform well.
“It would be fantastic if I could score the winning goal, and every player dreams of moments like that, but winning the match is most important.”
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