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Downing improved as the game went on. Played some excellent crosses for both Kuyt and Henderson. Has had a decent start to his Liverpool career, and will only get better as will his understanding with Enrique.

Did his share of the defensive duties aswell.
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Why is there an assumption that Downing "will only get better" ?

I could do the Premiership proven thing here again, but I'll spare you it, Downing is exactly the player we've seen so far. He's alright and that's all he'll ever be.

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Because he has delivered goals and assists in every season in the Premiership for, what, 7 odd years.
That wont change. He's in a much betterteam, and when things really clicks we'll see the best of him aswell.
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he's also been pretty average for most of those 7 years. downing's almost as far from being a £20m winger as carroll is from a £35m striker, and that's saying something.
 
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Still sad we didn't get all three after a game we mostly dominated. Been a while since a game really got on my tits like this one did.

This is a good thing mostly I reckon because it means we're close now, a win would've close the gap completely. Almost. A few years back we'd be trailing 20 points anyways but this time around we're still in the competition and has got a chance but we need to address a few issues.

Our set-piece defending. Can't believe we're still seeing school-boy errors like the one Skrtel made. That's NOT the way you mark a man - at no point was he aware of the ball and he then fell over in his efforts to litterally hold his man. Abysmal defending that completely ruined an otherwise decent performance. Carra should've attacked Wellbeck for the ball but he stood in the right position at least and had Skrtel faced the right way as well we'd won the game.

Kuyt was bad and he squandered that major chance that he'd normally bury. Needs to improve as we've got good cover on the bench as especially Henderson showed.

Gerrard is back. Despite not enjoying the best first 45 he improved rapidly after the break and looks to be getting there. Vital.

Suarez was wonderful but he missed Carroll at times and found himself too isolated at times. I'd love to see them both play more.

Kelly is going to make it hard for Johnson but if Agger gets injured again perhaps we should try him in central alongsige Carra. Wouldn't mind that.
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can we stop this myth once and for all, please? we've 14 points from 8 games, fewer than in rafa's last, disastrous, season.
 
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Downing improved as the game went on. Played some excellent crosses for both Kuyt and Henderson. Has had a decent start to his Liverpool career, and will only get better as will his understanding with Enrique.

Did his share of the defensive duties aswell.
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Why is there an assumption that Downing "will only get better" ?

I could do the Premiership proven thing here again, but I'll spare you it, Downing is exactly the player we've seen so far. He's alright and that's all he'll ever be.

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Because he has delivered goals and assists in every season in the Premiership for, what, 7 odd years.
That wont change. He's in a much betterteam, and when things really clicks we'll see the best of him aswell.
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So he's going to do it forever ?

And the whole he's in a better team he'll do better has rarely turned out to be true.
 
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He really wasnt single, the majority of the section we were sat in were screaming at Lucas time & again. Gerrard did have a poor first half though, thats undeniable, but he was nowhere near as bad as Lucas, the only way I could put it is unforced errors, time & again.
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I reckon if you watch it again you might change your mind.

Obviously Stevie made up for it in much more dynamic play with the runs he was making and that, but in that first half I reckon he gave it away more than anyone on the pitch. Now, I'm not trying to make the case for Lucas being good, or even better than Gerrard - that's just daft, but when people are saying he's their MOTM and "he's back" when they slag Lucas in the very next breath for conceding possession cheaply then I think they've got their blinkers on.

I seem to remember a backpass to Pepe that was almost a rerun of his delightful little through ball to Henry a few years ago. A couple of feet different and he's given a goal away.

I just don't think you can slate Lucas and praise Gerrard in the same breath. Both had a poor 45
 
I find it forgiveable for players who are trying to force the game to make mistakes, most of Gerrard's giveaways were in the final third. Lucas' were all in the middle of the pitch and were mainly sideways passes.

Lucas made one pass in the final third and it was backwards.
 
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Still sad we didn't get all three after a game we mostly dominated. Been a while since a game really got on my tits like this one did.

This is a good thing mostly I reckon because it means we're close now, a win would've close the gap completely. Almost. A few years back we'd be trailing 20 points anyways but this time around we're still in the competition and has got a chance but we need to address a few issues.

Our set-piece defending. Can't believe we're still seeing school-boy errors like the one Skrtel made. That's NOT the way you mark a man - at no point was he aware of the ball and he then fell over in his efforts to litterally hold his man. Abysmal defending that completely ruined an otherwise decent performance. Carra should've attacked Wellbeck for the ball but he stood in the right position at least and had Skrtel faced the right way as well we'd won the game.

Kuyt was bad and he squandered that major chance that he'd normally bury. Needs to improve as we've got good cover on the bench as especially Henderson showed.

Gerrard is back. Despite not enjoying the best first 45 he improved rapidly after the break and looks to be getting there. Vital.

Suarez was wonderful but he missed Carroll at times and found himself too isolated at times. I'd love to see them both play more.

Kelly is going to make it hard for Johnson but if Agger gets injured again perhaps we should try him in central alongsige Carra. Wouldn't mind that.
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can we stop this myth once and for all, please? we've 14 points from 8 games, fewer than in rafa's last, disastrous, season.
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I think what he meant Pete was that if Super Danny Agger had played, we'd have won at a canter.

Agreed re points, we've had a steady, unspectacular start. The year we finished second, we started similarly but we got the rub of the green too in a few games early on.
 
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LOOK AT KELLY!
 
yeah i've been a bit surprised by comments of how we're in it , or how we've massively improved . Well of course we've improved on the first half of last season but that was frankly a disgrace that should never be mentioned again . For all the money we've spent i don't see much of an improvement , if any , on what we did in the 2nd half of last season.
We're 8 points off the top , 6 off united and 5 off chelsea after just 8 games...if Rafa was here we'd be going mad . We're 5th, in the race for 4th .....have we finally accepted that this is liverpool's true standing ?

Anyway perhaps i am just impatient .
 
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.....have we finally accepted that this is liverpool's true standing ?


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No, we bloody well have not !
 
We have the exact same number of points now as in the corresponding fixtures in the 09/10 season. However I believe we will only get better and better as the season progresses.
 
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LOOK AT KELLY!
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Hahahahahah

Legend,

Poweslide........
 
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Downing improved as the game went on. Played some excellent crosses for both Kuyt and Henderson. Has had a decent start to his Liverpool career, and will only get better as will his understanding with Enrique.

Did his share of the defensive duties aswell.
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Why is there an assumption that Downing "will only get better" ?


I could do the Premiership proven thing here again, but I'll spare you it, Downing is exactly the player we've seen so far. He's alright and that's all he'll ever be.

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Because he has delivered goals and assists in every season in the Premiership for, what, 7 odd years.
That wont change. He's in a much betterteam, and when things really clicks we'll see the best of him aswell.
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So he's going to do it forever ?

And the whole he's in a better team he'll do better has rarely turned out to be true.
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He's 27. The prime age so to speak for a footballer. Ashley Young seems to do better in a better team.
Downing will be a good player for us, just have patience and let the team gel.
 
more conventional wisdom Hansern !!!

I think wingers are usually better in their early twenties because it's around age 25 that things like acceleration and pace start to slide. And I think they're two of the main qualities all great wingers have.

I'll give you two examples, remember how scared shitless we were of Robben and Duff back in 2005 ? I think Duff was about 25 at the time, Robben 21 (?) - I'd much rather face Robben now than back then.
 
yep, it's one of those great cliches that players peak at 27/28. it varies massively by position, as well as the individual, obviously. the 28 thing is probably true of centre halves, and central midefielders, much less of others.
 
Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
[/quote] I wasn't saying that he was great Fabs, just that he wasn't terrible as some seem to have made out and as I was expecting him to be.
A better than Dirk replacement would be welcome as would an improvement in at least three or four other spots in the team
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
[/quote] I wasn't saying that he was great Fabs, just that he wasn't terrible as some seem to have made out and as I was expecting him to be.
A better than Dirk replacement would be welcome as would an improvement in at least three or four other spots in the team
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nah i know you weren't saying he was great. THe whole dirk debate just fucks me off. I love him and he plays with his whole heart, but fuck me, hes so loved for a completely average player
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
[/quote] I wasn't saying that he was great Fabs, just that he wasn't terrible as some seem to have made out and as I was expecting him to be.
A better than Dirk replacement would be welcome as would an improvement in at least three or four other spots in the team
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nah i know you weren't saying he was great. THe whole dirk debate just fucks me off. I love him and he plays with his whole heart, but fuck me, hes so loved for a completely average player
[/quote]Mate that is way too harsh on Dirk
 
We've created 95 so far and scored 11 goals.

Utd have created 105 chances and scored 25 goals.

Barca have created 107 chances in 9 games and scored 33 goals....
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
[/quote] I wasn't saying that he was great Fabs, just that he wasn't terrible as some seem to have made out and as I was expecting him to be.
A better than Dirk replacement would be welcome as would an improvement in at least three or four other spots in the team
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nah i know you weren't saying he was great. THe whole dirk debate just fucks me off. I love him and he plays with his whole heart, but fuck me, hes so loved for a completely average player
[/quote]Mate that is way too harsh on Dirk
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Tell me what he does that takes him up to the next level above average?

Finishing: Average
Positional sense: When ST he pops up, when RW he's normally central
Touch: Again, poor to average
Pace: Average
Vision: Varies, some game he knows the pass and does it, others he's fucking blind
Passing: Average, can do the minimum but not renowned for whipping in crosses
Work ethic: Wonderful here, but without the others....whats the point? Its like spearing.

Downing is an average winger and averages 10+ assists and 5+ assists yet gets criticised for not whipping in balls and getting them for us. Dirk rarely turns up before christmas each season. He seems to play his best when there is little to play for (i realise thats a sweeping statement and i prob will get pulled apart but fuck it)
 
His defence play i'll give him credit for, but for me...thats nice, but..... come on. That should be one facet of his game, not his saving grace
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
[/quote] I wasn't saying that he was great Fabs, just that he wasn't terrible as some seem to have made out and as I was expecting him to be.
A better than Dirk replacement would be welcome as would an improvement in at least three or four other spots in the team
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nah i know you weren't saying he was great. THe whole dirk debate just fucks me off. I love him and he plays with his whole heart, but fuck me, hes so loved for a completely average player
[/quote]Mate that is way too harsh on Dirk
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Tell me what he does that takes him up to the next level above average?

Finishing:]Average good - averages better than a goal every four for us and Holland
Positional sense: When ST he pops up, when RW he's normally central GOOD, does what he is told as right mid - both supports the full back and links forward play
Touch: Again, poor to average Poor to excptional and everything in between
Pace: Average
Vision: Varies, some game he knows the pass and does it, others he's fucking blind intelligent player and works best with short quick passing and movement
Passing: Average, can do the minimum but not renowned for whipping in crosses he is not a winger like Downing so whipping in crosses wouldn't be expected to be his forte
Work ethic: Wonderful here, but without the others....whats the point? Its like spearing. Phenomenal

Downing is an average winger and averages 10+ assists and 5+ assists yet gets criticised for not whipping in balls and getting them for us. Dirk rarely turns up before christmas each season. He seems to play his best when there is little to play for (i realise thats a sweeping statement and i prob will get pulled apart but fuck it)
[/quote] checks ebay only to find there is a run on iron bars
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
[/quote] I wasn't saying that he was great Fabs, just that he wasn't terrible as some seem to have made out and as I was expecting him to be.
A better than Dirk replacement would be welcome as would an improvement in at least three or four other spots in the team
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nah i know you weren't saying he was great. THe whole dirk debate just fucks me off. I love him and he plays with his whole heart, but fuck me, hes so loved for a completely average player
[/quote]Mate that is way too harsh on Dirk
[/quote]

Tell me what he does that takes him up to the next level above average?

Finishing:]Average good - averages better than a goal every four for us and Holland
Positional sense: When ST he pops up, when RW he's normally central GOOD, does what he is told as right mid - both supports the full back and links forward play
Touch: Again, poor to average Poor to excptional and everything in between
Pace: Average
Vision: Varies, some game he knows the pass and does it, others he's fucking blind intelligent player and works best with short quick passing and movement
Passing: Average, can do the minimum but not renowned for whipping in crosses he is not a winger like Downing so whipping in crosses wouldn't be expected to be his forte
Work ethic: Wonderful here, but without the others....whats the point? Its like spearing. Phenomenal

Downing is an average winger and averages 10+ assists and 5+ assists yet gets criticised for not whipping in balls and getting them for us. Dirk rarely turns up before christmas each season. He seems to play his best when there is little to play for (i realise thats a sweeping statement and i prob will get pulled apart but fuck it)
[/quote] checks ebay only to find there is a run on iron bars
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I just don't see it.

We can and should have bought better by now. As back up striker I'd have no problem, but he's not good enough to start weekly

Scratch that. He is good enough to start weekly, only because we have no one else who can play rw
 
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Ok having not really seen much of the game yesterday due to lack of a decent stream I have watched the entire second half this evening.
Based on that............

-I am not seeing the Dirk hate at all. I thought he done fine without being great, worked very hard, supported Kelly in defence very well and bar one misplaced pass, to Henderson, didn't do an awful lot wrong.
-Adam did indeed have a very good game and looked the better for having Gerrard and Henderson alongside him.
-Suarez had the Man U defence shitting themselves
-Neither Downing or Enrique offered much in attack. which is excusable for a full back.
-None of the saves that De Gea made were overly brilliant, any decent premiership keeper should be expected to have made them, while he done his share of flapping. I am still not convinced that he is the solution to their long term goalkeeping needs.
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re: dirk. Considering downing is getting stick for creating little, its rich for dirk to avoid the stick when he's just as guilty. Suarez was isolated for a majority of the match, where dirk should be either cutting in to help him or sticking out wide to provide support. He did neither to any effect.

Hes jack of all trades master of none. And because he has a purple patch every year he'll continually get lauded as a "big match player". Hes not. He goes missing in big matches as well as little ones. We need better.
[/quote] I wasn't saying that he was great Fabs, just that he wasn't terrible as some seem to have made out and as I was expecting him to be.
A better than Dirk replacement would be welcome as would an improvement in at least three or four other spots in the team
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nah i know you weren't saying he was great. THe whole dirk debate just fucks me off. I love him and he plays with his whole heart, but fuck me, hes so loved for a completely average player
[/quote]Mate that is way too harsh on Dirk
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Tell me what he does that takes him up to the next level above average?

Finishing:]Average good - averages better than a goal every four for us and Holland
Positional sense: When ST he pops up, when RW he's normally central GOOD, does what he is told as right mid - both supports the full back and links forward play
Touch: Again, poor to average Poor to excptional and everything in between
Pace: Average
Vision: Varies, some game he knows the pass and does it, others he's fucking blind intelligent player and works best with short quick passing and movement
Passing: Average, can do the minimum but not renowned for whipping in crosses he is not a winger like Downing so whipping in crosses wouldn't be expected to be his forte
Work ethic: Wonderful here, but without the others....whats the point? Its like spearing. Phenomenal

Downing is an average winger and averages 10+ assists and 5+ assists yet gets criticised for not whipping in balls and getting them for us. Dirk rarely turns up before christmas each season. He seems to play his best when there is little to play for (i realise thats a sweeping statement and i prob will get pulled apart but fuck it)
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I just don't see it.

We can and should have bought better by now. As back up striker I'd have no problem, but he's not good enough to start weekly

Scratch that. He is good enough to start weekly, only because we have no one else who can play rw
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Yet people wax lyrical count. It's like this crazy blind spot.

If we wanted to I'd try Suarez on the right. He'd drift in as much as kuyt, yet be able to beat a man or cross in. And be quicker. He tracks back tons when he's not asked to lead the line. I think he'd be great there.
 
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