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Middle East Violence (content may offend)

Respectfully,

So because some 'demanded' it more it should happen?

As for the last paragraph, you can discuss the UN. Mainly the emergence/force of Zionism, the Balfour declaration but importantly the sympathy towards Jews after the horrors of the holocaust.

Palestinians were not uniformly rejected by neighbouring Arab countries.
over 300k went to Jordan (recently the gov suggested nearly half of Jordanians have Palestinian roots)
Approx 100k went to Syria and Lebabon/Egypt also took on many Palestinians.
I know people who have visited the camps in Jordan where Palestinians are still living.

This is false info that only serves to continue to describe Arabs/Palestinians as less than human and no-one wants them.


I'm living in my house, I've been here for generations.
Some guy comes along and tells me to move at gunpoint but offers my Israeli citizenship. Maybe practically I should take it, maybe my pride might tell him where to go.
On the other hand, I've got nothing and someone offers me 55%, sure I'll take it.

Equally respectfully:

1. I didn't say it should or shouldn't happen. I said that's one reason why it did happen. The fact remains that, whatever the reason(s) for it, it was a decision taken by the whole of the UN. Those who think as you do never make reference to that because it doesn't fit your slanted narrative.

2. The 400,000 or so to whom you refer are a fraction of the number of people affected.

3. The governments of the countries involved did say no. The refugees turned up anyway and many of them were treated - and in some cases continue to be treated - as highly unwelcome guests.
 
@Atlas was right, this is unnecessary distraction from what we should be talking about. Blatant war crimes, murder of innocent civilians, disregard for international law, and an ongoing systematic slaughter of a people.

I'm sorry for detracting the conversation.

Fuck history. Fuck excuses and whataboutisms and justifications.
 
Equally respectfully:

1. I didn't say it should or shouldn't happen. I said that's one reason why it did happen. The fact remains that, whatever the reason(s) for it, it was a decision taken by the whole of the UN. Those who think as you do never make reference to that because it doesn't fit your slanted narrative.

2. The 400,000 or so to whom you refer are a fraction of the number of people affected.

3. The governments of the countries involved did say no. The refugees turned up anyway and many of them were treated - and in some cases continue to be treated - as highly unwelcome guests.

I have a slanted narrative but others dont?
I have made reference to UN plenty of times, we've interacted about it before. I mentioned then as I do now, you can accept the UN then then the UN should be accted now.

Over 50% is a pretty large fraction, no?

To clarify what is the purpose of mentioning the fact other Arab States didnt want hundreds of thousands of refugees at their door? I'd imagine most of us would be concerned if 100k refugees rocked up at the border.


In a way this again is mental machinations
He said, she said.
I take issue with a few other things you mention and equally, imo, its telling what is missing from conversations.

The point remains, and this is the most pressing discussion now, that:

Israeli soldiers have admitted & been found guilty of murdering of civilians, starvation and more
Israeli forced have acted with total impunity and have been a disgrace.
That the Israeli leaders have arrest warrants out
That the US/UK have been complicit in this plausible genocide.
That this has highlighted the utter hypocrisy and double standards of the western political structure and framework.
 
There’s something profoundly disturbing about the way discussions around the Middle East so often strip people of their humanity. It’s as though certain sections of society become desensitised, willing to ignore, excuse or even celebrate the suffering and deaths of millions of innocent people. I generally stay out of these debates because the level of contempt shown for human life is beyond depressing.

The media does not help. Our national broadcaster, and the government too, seem so paralysed by the fear of being accused of antisemitism that they struggle to present a balanced or honest reflection of what has been unfolding over many years. Only now are a few voices beginning to break cover and call a spade a spade.

I strongly suspect that the full extent of the horrors that have taken place has yet to come to light. In time, I believe there will be serious reckoning and some very uncomfortable introspection about how meek and complicit much of the response in the UK has been.
 
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