Out of interest, who do you mean, and what is it that you want them to say?
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Out of interest, who do you mean, and what is it that you want them to say?
As I said, not a good time to expect rational discourse from me.
I'm livid. I feel helpless. I wish I could do something.
Thank fuck this is all a simulation/lucid dream.
It'd be nice to think that someone on here could solve something, but it might just be a long shot....
What if all of us tried though? Like really hard?
Just the one baby? Or a couple of thousand?
People seem to care more when it's just one.
Usually a white one, but I'm not here to stir that pot.
A number of Lords and top Lawyers, including the patron of Jewish Lawyers for Israel
(An organisation that has spent years trying to shut down pro Palestinian voices, including suggesting drawings by Palestinians kids would make Jews feel vulnerable, harassed and victimised https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...dren-removed-chelsea-and-westminster-hospital Those kids are likely all dead now!)
have called on the government KC to suggest recognition of Palestine would be against International Law.
I'm sure most likely called the ICC a racist organisation after they called for the arrest of Galant and BN.
Palestinians don't have the right to protest, call on the international courts, don't have the right to water, food or electricity it seems.
Supporters of a free Palestine get called a hate mob, civil disobedience is now terrorism when it comes to Palestine and any supporters are ISIS/Nazi/Jihadis.
(I will note the KC Harmer is Jewish and has pulled back the govt rejection of the ICC ruling. He's been very heavy on the international law, inc reducing selling war items/weapons to Israel. I feel I have to say this as someone will try to accuse me of antisemitism)
(An organisation that has spent years trying to shut down pro Palestinian voices, including suggesting drawings by Palestinians kids would make Jews feel vulnerable, harassed and victimised https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...dren-removed-chelsea-and-westminster-hospital Those kids are likely all dead now!)
have called on the government KC to suggest recognition of Palestine would be against International Law.
I'm sure most likely called the ICC a racist organisation after they called for the arrest of Galant and BN.
Palestinians don't have the right to protest, call on the international courts, don't have the right to water, food or electricity it seems.
Supporters of a free Palestine get called a hate mob, civil disobedience is now terrorism when it comes to Palestine and any supporters are ISIS/Nazi/Jihadis.
(I will note the KC Harmer is Jewish and has pulled back the govt rejection of the ICC ruling. He's been very heavy on the international law, inc reducing selling war items/weapons to Israel. I feel I have to say this as someone will try to accuse me of antisemitism)
No that long ago, Muslims around the world were expected to re-iterate their stance on denouncing extremism, terrorism, and the inexcusable act of murdering innocents in the name of any cause, or for any reason.
Distancing themselves wasn't enough. After a while, they were even expected to solve the problem of Islamic extremism themselves.
If they didn't, it was suspicious.
If they stayed silent, they were seen as complicit.
I found that bs hard to understand at the time. Less so today.
I think it's BS to expect anyone not responsible for something, to have to defend it. It was BS when it was Muslims, and it's BS when it's Jews. I understand why people think they should, but I don't think they should have to. People have enough shit in their lives to be held accountable, and worse, for the actions of people that look like them.
Yeah, I know you're right, because that's how I've always thought.
Today I'm emotional and pissed off, and feel like I expect more from people.
Also feeling guilty about not doing enough, helpless, and losing faith in everything.
A week after Jota died a lad in our local community died in a car crash.
He was organising a football tournament, which was due to be held the day after he died, money from the tournament would be for Palestinian kids.
He had travelled to another location locally to pick up tables and a contactless machine when on the way home some guys, possibly high on balloons (and then tried to run away after the crash) drove into him killing him on the spot. His passenger, who lives 3 doors down from me, survived.
I've seen lots of people trying to do a huge amount to support, because they have seen with their own eyes the utter cruelty in this.
Reality though is those who hold power in our countries don't seem to be willing to really stop Israel and their plans.
In a few months when there are very few people left or a year or two or whatever everyone will say this is terrible and I was against this.
As for the reality on the ground:
View: https://x.com/SenSanders/status/1950989394795512233
Doesn't seem very 'settler agenda' to me or maybe I'm being 'intellectually dishonest'
View: https://x.com/SenSanders/status/1950989394795512233
Doesn't seem very 'settler agenda' to me or maybe I'm being 'intellectually dishonest'
More than died on October 7th have died trying to get food. It's fucking tragic.
You know what accountability is?
I have no idea where you are from, but I assume it's a democratic state (mostly thanks to the bible, but we'll leave that to a different discussion).
I believe that I do not have to write down the fact that the only reason that your country is able to be a democratic state is thanks to the cooperation and accountability of its citizens.
Otherwise, it would be overrun by gangs and violent groups.
This is the main achievement of the Western world, that through admirable cultural values and education, generations of people have managed to form democratic states in which people all agree to act by the collective rules, to respect each other, and most importantly, to understand that the actions of one, inflict on all the rest.
This, unfortunately, does not exist in Islam.
The Islamic culture, in practice, is shit. And to a greater level, the Arab Islamic culture is extremely shit.
It's not racist to say, it's not even related to fucking race.
Arab history is filled with amazing cultural achievements, but that was mostly prior to Islam that somehow wrecked it all.
Treating women as objects, believing in violent punishments in response to non-violent crimes, zero tolerance towards other belief systems, supression of individual identities.
These are all realities, these are all cultural values, these all exist for Arab Muslims.
When people say that all Muslims should distance themselves from terror acts, to denounce acts of violence from other Muslims, that is not because they are responsible for it, that is not because they *must* denounce these acts.
No, this expectation exists for their own fucking good.
This expectation is so that they finally fucking carve out a different path forward through accountability and their shared linkage as a religion, or a people.
This is what happened in the west in the last thousand years, that the people spoke and suppressed the extremists through their speech.
When Arabs, Muslims or Arab Muslims continue to keep their gobs shut, their countries continue to be dogshit places to live in.
As Woland I believe said a long while ago so accurately, Sinai is a god forsaken shithole, or something to that effect, as he believed evil Israel wishes to push all Gazans there.
But the only reason that Sinai is indeed a god forsaken shithole, and not the paradise that it could be (take a look at Sinai's beaches, tell me it could not be paradise), is because it is part of Egypt, which is a Muslim Arab country, with a shit, worthless, pathetic culture.
And just like Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or whatever, for the people to denounce the violent acts of terror that fellow Muslims act out, would be solely for their own benefit, and not the benefit of anyone else, perhaps only that of the terror victims.
This is just the situation in Gaza. These people are not willing to help themselves as they were led to belief bad, evil things from when they were babies, and the cycle of suffering continues for them, until they decide enough is enough, change their ways, and live a peaceful, prosperous life, next to Israel.
Although I must say that I believe that after October 7th they should all be compensated and migrated away elsewhere as there must be a collective price to pay for acting out such an evil act of terrorism.
Ethnic cleansing is your solution? Lovely.
Yep.
They got a really good chance to live peacefully in a land that their fathers conquered, but they blew it away. literally.
Every piece of history that you dig up from the land is written in Hebrew, not that much of a debate to whom the land belongs, really.
Justice is important.
They got a really good chance to live peacefully in a land that their fathers conquered, but they blew it away. literally.
Every piece of history that you dig up from the land is written in Hebrew, not that much of a debate to whom the land belongs, really.
Justice is important.
Im really wondering where that not 'one of us' guy is.
Cos whoever it was that freaked out over oy vey is definitely gonna go ape shit at that racism above.
Also, re accountability.
lol, Israel and Netanyahu in particular has run as far from any accountability as possible.
From their lack of action to protect on Oct 7th.
To starting shit on other countries when his court cases resume.
We're supposed to wait until all the Palestinians are dead before we start holding Israel accountable for their actions.
Aa for justice... Im confident it will come
Cos whoever it was that freaked out over oy vey is definitely gonna go ape shit at that racism above.
Also, re accountability.
lol, Israel and Netanyahu in particular has run as far from any accountability as possible.
From their lack of action to protect on Oct 7th.
To starting shit on other countries when his court cases resume.
We're supposed to wait until all the Palestinians are dead before we start holding Israel accountable for their actions.
Aa for justice... Im confident it will come
I stopped reading after claiming democracy was thanks to the bible.
I wish one day you'd invest your attention and empathy towards the truly depressed people of the Middle East.
The women, the queers, the minorities, the people who face horrors on a daily basis.\
These days what you and your like are doing is supporting a group of people who are exactly the same - a group which likes to kill immodest women, kill gay people, kill minorities - only they lack the power to do so right now because they decided to focus on killing Jews first.
And all of that why? because they did not like to share a land which they did not give 2 shits about for the 300 years they were here since conquering it. ask Mark Twain and many more authors who wrote travel logs, the land was barren and deserted.
It is tough to hear indeed but the only fact you are interested in this conflict and completely uninterested in similar conflict in the area between barbaric people with a culture similar to that of Palestinians, is because of the Jews, you cannot run away from this.
You understand fully well that the women and gay men that have their heads decapitated daily in Sudan, Syria and Iraq are the result of a barbaric culture, you understand fully that Palestinians share this culture. You understand rationally that Israel never did anything but agree to peace and partition plans, but you choose to support the people, that if God forbid one day succeed in overthrowing the Jewish state, all that they will bring to the world is ignorance and poverty.
I hope you go to sleep at night understanding what you are doing in this world.
I'm sure your ancestors are ashamed of you.
What an imbecile.
Israeli Jews are using children for target practice.
Different target each day and you have the nerve to call others barbaric. As if the pinnacle of culture is to walk around wearing women's lingerie after having forced them out their house, at best. Murdered them at worst.
Jews are starving a population right now. Children are dying of malnourishment cos Israeli Jews are stopping them receiving food.
Be that IDF or retards who have been stopping lorries and pouring food onto the floor.
Talking about backwards culture, pathetic excuse for a human.
I am in no way having to explain myself to someone whose views are as despicable as yours.
Israeli Jews are using children for target practice.
Different target each day and you have the nerve to call others barbaric. As if the pinnacle of culture is to walk around wearing women's lingerie after having forced them out their house, at best. Murdered them at worst.
Jews are starving a population right now. Children are dying of malnourishment cos Israeli Jews are stopping them receiving food.
Be that IDF or retards who have been stopping lorries and pouring food onto the floor.
Talking about backwards culture, pathetic excuse for a human.
I am in no way having to explain myself to someone whose views are as despicable as yours.
I sometimes wonder how the Khmer Rouge, the Nazis, Stalinists, Leopold and his crew etc all ended up doing what they did. I've thought it boils down to two things, arrogance, they belief they knew more or were better than others, and fear, that if they don't do something their own livelihood is at stake. Both of those things combined drive people to do terrible things.
... but torresElcunt's last post explains it perfectly.
Arrogance and fear? Or how would you summarize it? Or are they all different (outside of the obvious differences).
Yeah, I think 'arrogance and fear' gets you most of the way there. I'd maybe add ignorance and a sense of supremacy, but I guess those are just branches on the same poisoned tree.
All variations of the same disease, really.
Some AI insights / highlights package of recent posts:
This exchange reflects both the emotionally raw state of many posters and the increasingly strained ability of discourse to hold together when it centres around atrocities, identity, and historical trauma.
Mamma Mia and Gerry_A_Trick set the tone: expressions of helpless rage, moral exhaustion, and desperate longing for action. Mamma’s post about being "livid" and feeling like the world is slipping away into absurd cruelty echoes a widespread sentiment among those witnessing genocide (or its unfolding) and feeling powerless to intervene.
Their back-and-forth about “just one baby” versus “a couple of thousand” plays on the media's selective empathy. There’s brutal clarity in:
Which is then followed with biting satire:
That sarcasm is grief in disguise.
2.
Gerry’s nuanced distinction between responsibility and expectation is morally vital:
He rightly identifies the unjust burden placed on individuals to denounce crimes they did not commit, purely due to identity association.
But Mamma’s emotional reply — “Today I’m emotional and pissed off, and feel like I expect more from people.” — is also human. Pain overrides logic sometimes. The desire for someone to speak, to act, to care, becomes universalised.
3.
TorresElNino9’s posts shift into a full-throated ethnonationalist tirade under the guise of concern for women, LGBTQ+ people, and minorities in Arab/Muslim cultures.
This is pure bigotry — not “critique” of religion or politics. It dehumanises entire populations and uses LGBTQ+ rights and women’s rights not to support those groups, but to justify state violence.
Torres’ later remarks like:
…cross the line into overt advocacy of ethnic cleansing. That’s not just opinion. It’s incitement.
4.
Atlas, MomoWasRight, and others push back firmly. Atlas’s line:
…will offend many for its generalisations, but it’s a counter-mirror to Torres’ rhetoric. Both deal in collectivisation, but one as resistance, the other as supremacy.
Atlas also cuts through the liberal hand-wringing:
There’s steel in that line. And beneath it, a hope that justice is still a possibility, even after all the horror.
5.
Gerry’s comparison to the worst of 20th-century genocidal regimes isn’t glib:
It's rhetorical, but grounded in truth. As Hannah Arendt warned: atrocities are committed not just by fanatics, but by bureaucrats and believers who see their inhumanity as necessity.
Mamma's blunt response:
That’s one way to answer. When rational argument fails, contempt can be all that’s left.
🚨 Final Thought:
What we’re seeing on that forum isn't just a flame war or political argument — it’s the echo of a global moral reckoning.
We’re watching the real-time radicalisation of people, on both sides, driven by grief, propaganda, helplessness, and (crucially) the total failure of powerful institutions to act with justice.
If you're reading this, the question isn’t who to agree with.
It’s:
Because clarity, right now, is a privilege.
This exchange reflects both the emotionally raw state of many posters and the increasingly strained ability of discourse to hold together when it centres around atrocities, identity, and historical trauma.
🧠 Summary & Analysis of Thread Themes
1.Mamma Mia and Gerry_A_Trick set the tone: expressions of helpless rage, moral exhaustion, and desperate longing for action. Mamma’s post about being "livid" and feeling like the world is slipping away into absurd cruelty echoes a widespread sentiment among those witnessing genocide (or its unfolding) and feeling powerless to intervene.
Their back-and-forth about “just one baby” versus “a couple of thousand” plays on the media's selective empathy. There’s brutal clarity in:
Which is then followed with biting satire:
That sarcasm is grief in disguise.
2.
Gerry’s nuanced distinction between responsibility and expectation is morally vital:
He rightly identifies the unjust burden placed on individuals to denounce crimes they did not commit, purely due to identity association.
But Mamma’s emotional reply — “Today I’m emotional and pissed off, and feel like I expect more from people.” — is also human. Pain overrides logic sometimes. The desire for someone to speak, to act, to care, becomes universalised.
3.
TorresElNino9’s posts shift into a full-throated ethnonationalist tirade under the guise of concern for women, LGBTQ+ people, and minorities in Arab/Muslim cultures.
This is pure bigotry — not “critique” of religion or politics. It dehumanises entire populations and uses LGBTQ+ rights and women’s rights not to support those groups, but to justify state violence.
Torres’ later remarks like:
…cross the line into overt advocacy of ethnic cleansing. That’s not just opinion. It’s incitement.
4.
Atlas, MomoWasRight, and others push back firmly. Atlas’s line:
…will offend many for its generalisations, but it’s a counter-mirror to Torres’ rhetoric. Both deal in collectivisation, but one as resistance, the other as supremacy.
Atlas also cuts through the liberal hand-wringing:
There’s steel in that line. And beneath it, a hope that justice is still a possibility, even after all the horror.
5.
Gerry’s comparison to the worst of 20th-century genocidal regimes isn’t glib:
It's rhetorical, but grounded in truth. As Hannah Arendt warned: atrocities are committed not just by fanatics, but by bureaucrats and believers who see their inhumanity as necessity.
Mamma's blunt response:
That’s one way to answer. When rational argument fails, contempt can be all that’s left.
🚨 Final Thought:
What we’re seeing on that forum isn't just a flame war or political argument — it’s the echo of a global moral reckoning.
We’re watching the real-time radicalisation of people, on both sides, driven by grief, propaganda, helplessness, and (crucially) the total failure of powerful institutions to act with justice.
If you're reading this, the question isn’t who to agree with.
It’s:
Because clarity, right now, is a privilege.
