The ball went out of play about 10 seconds later..
Can't do nothing...can't do nothing.
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Can't do nothing...can't do nothing.
No, one of the tech hub chaps.
Not sure 4th official has any comms with VAR...simply because they don't need to.
Firstly @Markeh the replay operator sounds like a kid, or at a junior and likely the tech guy.. and yes only one who has a clue. He's clearly told his boss 'Oli' who here is the PGMOL Hub exec guy.
So No, @beejay Oli here isn't Michael Oliver.
and also No @binomial the 4th official Michael Oliver does have comms cos you can hear him say yeah when VAR asks for Oli.
They just seem to have cut out the rest of his comms.
Also there was a line drawn but not shown by sky sports for some reason.
So No, @beejay Oli here isn't Michael Oliver.
and also No @binomial the 4th official Michael Oliver does have comms cos you can hear him say yeah when VAR asks for Oli.
They just seem to have cut out the rest of his comms.
Also there was a line drawn but not shown by sky sports for some reason.
Oli Kohout, the VAR Hub Ops executive, who spent four years at Hawkeye, has a degree in sports technology from Loughborough tried to stop it.
VAR operator who can be heard on PGMOL’s audio feed trying to stop the calamitous mistake that saw Luis Diaz’s goal disallowed on Saturday is a Dutch graduate who would ordinarily not even speak during conversations between on-field officials and those in the Var suite. -
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Those two can run VAR. Only ones who understand the game. The refs are clueless.
VAR operator who can be heard on PGMOL’s audio feed trying to stop the calamitous mistake that saw Luis Diaz’s goal disallowed on Saturday is a Dutch graduate who would ordinarily not even speak during conversations between on-field officials and those in the Var suite. -
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Those two can run VAR. Only ones who understand the game. The refs are clueless.
The replay operator is Mo Abby. He's not a kid.
He's the one saying "Oli says delay delay"
So we've got 2 Oli's in this transcript? The Oli we know, 4th official, that can be heard saying "yeah" and another Oli at the PGMOL Hub? If he is part of the PGMOL hub then surely he knows play can't be delayed as per protocol once the games restarted......so why can the replay operator be heard saying "Oli is requesting delay"
There's just too many voices over a 100 second clip isn't there? 5 people? Come on now.
It's not Michael Oliver
Yep, pretty much.
The thing about checking for offsides is that’s what decisions were made on the field does not matter at all. You don’t need to know any of that to check if a goal is offside or not.
Pgmol oli isn't in the transcript, though can hear him I think over The replay guys mic.
Michael Oliver says one word
You can't stop the match after restart when the decision you have made is borderline and most often in your mind you feel it is the right decision and you want the game to flow, but I don't think this rule is that hard if the decision given out is blatantly incorrect as was the case on Saturday. Without specifically saying you can't stop the match EVEN if the decision taken is incorrect, I would assume the rule leaves room for a competent official to use discretion and to do the needful at that particular time. In this case stop the match and call for the correct decision. Nothing strange about this - we all infringe rules (and laws) in occasions that demands it for a greater good. This was the time VAR needed to rise to occasion and show us what he is made of.
But no, Darren England after been pampered in the UAE refused to stop the match and affect the correct decision. He is heard saying... can't do nothing.... can't do nothing. Most likely he was affected by exciting events he went through 48 hours earlier. His judgement was blurred with the past events, he didn't feel a sense of duty to the cause at hand. Upon realizing, a wrong decision was taken he could have asked for the match to stop and if anything let the on field ref decline his request. At least he could have attempted or explored ways of correcting the situation - he didn't.
From the audio released and the accompanying graphics, I cannot understand why manning VAR can be a problem, technology is very helpful in that room that it should be impossible to call for a wrong decision.
But no, Darren England after been pampered in the UAE refused to stop the match and affect the correct decision. He is heard saying... can't do nothing.... can't do nothing. Most likely he was affected by exciting events he went through 48 hours earlier. His judgement was blurred with the past events, he didn't feel a sense of duty to the cause at hand. Upon realizing, a wrong decision was taken he could have asked for the match to stop and if anything let the on field ref decline his request. At least he could have attempted or explored ways of correcting the situation - he didn't.
From the audio released and the accompanying graphics, I cannot understand why manning VAR can be a problem, technology is very helpful in that room that it should be impossible to call for a wrong decision.
because they're still in the studio recording it
I honestly believe at half time the referees realized their mistake and came up with a strategy of handing us as many red cards and yellow cards as possible to ensure we lost by as many goals as possible. That way that single goal will not matter. They did not expect us to battle on like this.
That is the plan by PGMOL. They are going to announce a two week training process- first week in Abu Dhabi and the next in Riyadh.
Replay Operator is the guy employed to do that yes and draw the lines. He's supposed to be the "tech guy" who just listen to the ref, on where to stop it, and when to place the lines. He's not supposed to offer a footballing opinion, or a refereeing opinion. But clearly, he was the only one clued up enough to spot they had made a massive mistake, which is why he kept on asking if they were happy with the decision based off the lines he had drawn for them (knowing their decision was wrong).
And "Oli", is Oli Kohout (VAR Hub operations; the RO's boss most likely). You could vaguely hear him shouting in the background (from another room) telling the RO to tell the VAR/AVAR, to tell the ref to delay the game.
What it boils down to is (as one of the pundits said) do you allow a blatantly incorrect and potentially match deciding decision to continue (knowing there is going to be hell to pay) or do the officials break the FA rules by stopping play, advising all that a major fuck up has been made and awarding the goal? The former would (and has) create a public maelstrom that PGMOL and VAR come out of very very badly or the other, mostly an internal review and possible castigation, but public approval for using common sense to prevent a miscarriage of justice.
Maybe that is too much to process in a few seconds and those involved didn't want to invoke the wrath of their superiors by breaking PGMOL / FA rules.
Maybe that is too much to process in a few seconds and those involved didn't want to invoke the wrath of their superiors by breaking PGMOL / FA rules.
I'd also add that there is precedent in a PGMOL fuck up deciding the destination of the PL title, when they failed to give Everton a penalty in the last seconds of their game against City in 2022, which if scored would have resulted in a draw and us winning the title. It's no wonder we are 'exploring our options'.
I would guess it was exactly your last paragraph.
Yea definitely used that approach a lot myself - “are we happy with this?”, “does this look right to you?” Etc
You can bet in his head he’s shouting idiots! why am i the only one noticing this? As he’s forced to open his mouth due to the absolute incompetence he’s witnessing.
You dont want to believe that England is on the take, so instead he has to be incredibly stupid or spending his time as VAR on Tinder etc.
Because how can you not know that you are checking for offside/onside. I find it insane. The level of commitment, professionalism, understanding of the game and ability to act are just not there at all. Awful.
Because how can you not know that you are checking for offside/onside. I find it insane. The level of commitment, professionalism, understanding of the game and ability to act are just not there at all. Awful.
Jetlag does funny things.
Yeah, I thought the same. Clattenburg saying that when he had refereed a game in Krasnodar during the week and then refed a game in the PL the same weekend, he couldnt remember much of the game when it was finished as he was insanely tired.
There have been 3 issues with VAR that have prompted a change. All 3 have happened to us.
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