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Premier League : Week 4 (11th Sept thru 13th Sept.)

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Only when handicapped by shit owners. When Rafa became Everton manager - I was happy for him, because under him I know that two things will happen:

1) it will never be a dead certainty for the likes of United, City, Chelsea to win against Everton, because Rafa is managing them and he has enough talent and know how to beat those opposing managers and the talent they have.

2) it maybe a more civilized affair at the next Merseyside derby - as Rafa is unlikely to tell his players "go injure all their best players and be cunts" - no he will try and calm then down and make the cunts think. So there is less chance of any of our players getting injured ( I hope).

Now the harsh truth is - that he has enough talent under him to actually be the man that could take them to a top 4 finish. You may laugh but I never thought he was yesterday's man. His understanding of football and tactics is still very much in fashion.
Yeah you're probably right. They looked terrific in the second half
 
Yeah you're probably right. They looked terrific in the second half

This is going to be a very interesting season, I just wish Arsenal could sort their shit out, we need harder teams to make it unpredictable for the likes of United/City/Chelsea - all it takes is a single determined player. Hoping West Ham put some shit over United at the weekend.
 
Really interesting analysis on Gary and Carra on why Trent’s RB position his only position and number of times this season on where he’s actually ending up more advanced on the inside right.
Top of the chances created so far this season Trent - 20, 7 more than the next one on the list which is Salah.
 
Trent knows his qualities, the first thing on his mind when he gets the ball is putting it in dangerous area for likes of Mane Salah to feed onto… no surprise for me to see his too that stat think last season only KdB and maybe Bruno were ahead.
 
Hope Gareth Waistcoat keeps ignoring him, his nos so far up higher than even his insane 19/20 season.
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Give it a rest Rafa

PUBLISHED: MONDAY, 13 SEPTEMBER 2021
Richard Keys

Let’s first wish Harvey Elliott a speedy and full recovery. What a talent he’s looked. I said (Saturday)to Andy on beINSPORTS ‘he’s made himself undroppable’. He had. And I’m certain he will again.

For me, no blame attached to Pascal Struijk. Ref Craig Pawson didn’t see a foul either, but rightly stopped play as soon as he realised there was a problem. Top marks for that, but from that point he let himself down. Struijk should never have been sent off. I’d be surprised if Leeds don’t win an appeal. Emotions were running high - especially Jurgen Klopp’s - but he shouldn’t have been on the pitch berating Pawson. Was it co-incidence that Pawson produced a red card straight after guiding Klopp back to his technical area? We’ll never know for sure.

I asked our guys to check with the PGMOL match centre who advised Pawson to show red. Twice - not once but twice, because I couldn’t believe the first answer - we were told It was Andy Madley, the 4th official. Twice we were told it wasn’t referred to VAR. That really surprised me because my understanding is that with any red it’s protocol for VAR to look at it. ‘No, not so’ we were told. ‘It was Madley’s call’.

This morning I read Mark Clattenburg in The Mail and he’s insistent that it was Darren England and VAR that made the decision. Someone is telling porky’s again guys. I’ll never let up on asking - so get your stories straight eh?

Anyway. As emotional a scene as it was - it doesn’t mean that the correct decisions shouldn’t be made. Klopp shouldn’t have been on the pitch and It wasn’t a red. If we allow managers onto the field of play every time they see something they don’t like we’re on a slippery slope. The FA should censure Klopp.

The game was terrific. And Liverpool were awesome. They’re back to their best and it’s good to see. Leeds should beat more than they lose playing as they did - but they’ve got to be careful. It could yet turn into a long season.

Who said this? ‘My life as a manager has normally been with teams where we did not have too much money and we had to sell players to bring in players. As I have said before, we are lucky to have owners who want to spend money and we have to find a way to do it properly’.

This guy has managed Valencia, Liverpool, Real Madrid (for 6 months) Inter (for 6 months) Chelsea (temporarily) Napoli and Newcastle - where he spent £102m on 18 players before a successful tilt at the championship.

You’ve got it. I know you have. As we all know, he left Tyneside for a ‘long term project’ in China, (where they print money) but was back after 18 months looking for a job. The one he got surprised a few people - but not me. He’d been trying like a bear to get it for years. I hope he does it well because he’s with a club I like a lot - but come on Rafa. You’re having a laugh. Never had money?

At which of the above list of teams didn’t he have money? He’s always had money. The problem has been that he’s always wanted more money - more than the owners of those clubs would trust him with.

Now he’s in the last chance saloon he’s got to behave. There isn’t another one for him after Everton - so he isn’t looking to fall out with the owners like he did Mike Ashley.

Where I do have some sympathy is that by Everton’s recent standards he’s had only buttons so far. David Moyes worked with both hands tied behind his back at Goodison and it looks at though Benitez will have to.

A small fortune - £450m - has pumped into Everton in recent seasons. By whom isn’t clear. Farhad Moshiri fronts the operation - but whatever the source - I don’t see the flow continuing.

In my part of the world it’s not a surprise to hear that someone is hawking a football club about looking for money. On the day I arrived here - eight years ago - I bumped into a mate, in a bar, who was looking to construct a deal to sell Man Utd - not that he had a mandate to! I’ve heard Liverpool mentioned - in fact - you name a club and there’s an accompanying story of someone trying to sell it. Few are ever true. There’s lots of sellers - but no takers.

But my ears did prick up recently when a friend of mine told me he’d been offered Everton. The price - £500m and a guarantee of £500m to finish Bramley Dock. The figures seemed realistic so I asked a few questions. My conclusion was that it was a bonafide offer. It was turned down - but it suggests that the current owners of Everton want out. Whether that’s good news or not I don’t know. Of course, a denial is only to be expected - but whatever the truth, I can’t see Benitez getting the same flow of money that he’s generally had elsewhere. It’s back to the future for Everton - to the days when David Moyes worked miracles year after year. I wonder if Benitez has got the stomach for a frugal ‘long term’ project?

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Why does Richard Keys hate Rafa so much? I mean it's beginning to look a bit silly.
 
You know, he's won the championship in three major European leagues. Sure, he played for three dominant teams, but still.
He's won like 5 European cups.
He's won the Euro's.
And he's been very instrumental in those wins.
It goes without saying that he's one of the greatest players ever.

I mean it's not that crazy to call him the greatest, but in my opinion it's still Maradona. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo has done we what he has.
He lead Napoli to two league titles, that's basically like Messi joining Aston Villa and making them champions.
Then add his outstanding performance in the 1986 world cup.
He's the most naturally gifted player I've ever seen.
Maradona had a great Argentinian team behind him and he still had to cheat. But there is a distinction between great goal-scorers (Ronaldo) and great skilful players that can waltz through teams (Messi). Ronaldo can't do what Messi can yet Messi is almost as good a goals-scorer. So Messi all day long for me.
 
It depends what your criteria is. I can't comment on Maradona really, before my time.

Messi, though, is streets ahead of Ronaldo - and that's not to discredit Ronaldo. Ronaldo is obviously a freak, but in terms of natural, technical ability, Messi is an absolute alien. Then, you can start talking about individual ability. Players like Zidane and original Ronaldo were probably better natural footballers than Cronaldo, but you can't argue with the latter's record, even though I'm loathe to put him above those two. He's not better than Messi, though.
Ronaldo is the best 'athlete' to have played football though, hands down. His physique and the amount of work he puts into his body is incredible. The only other freak I've seen like him across sports is Lebron, who's maybe the GOAT athlete.
 
Ronaldo is the best 'athlete' to have played football though, hands down. His physique and the amount of work he puts into his body is incredible. The only other freak I've seen like him across sports is Lebron, who's maybe the GOAT athlete.
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Ronaldo is the best 'athlete' to have played football though, hands down. His physique and the amount of work he puts into his body is incredible. The only other freak I've seen like him across sports is Lebron, who's maybe the GOAT athlete.
Have you not seen Akinfenwa lately?
 
Maradona had a great Argentinian team behind him and he still had to cheat. But there is a distinction between great goal-scorers (Ronaldo) and great skilful players that can waltz through teams (Messi). Ronaldo can't do what Messi can yet Messi is almost as good a goals-scorer. So Messi all day long for me.
You're having a laugh. Maradona won Serie A with Napoli, who weren't even a midtable team before he joined. Done it twice, and that's while getting fucked all the time. Absolute king
 
Ronaldo is the best 'athlete' to have played football though, hands down. His physique and the amount of work he puts into his body is incredible.

The Patrick Bateman of football... I agree.

Maradona's achievements in (the very corrupt) Serie A were amazing but it's Messi for me.

I don't think the ordering matters too much once you get to the top 5 anyways as everyone has their own opinions.
 
And we’ve added Thiago, Jotta, Tsimikas & Konate, while Kelleher, Jones & Elliot are better players now.

Other teams have added better players and besides only Thiago is arguably a first 11 player. We are most definitely weaker than when we won the league.
 
Talking about physique outside the context of athleticism is meaningless here. There are amateur natural bodybuilders far more developed than anyone mentioned in this thread.

Ronaldo is a freak athlete, which is paired with a reasonably impressive physique. It is his speed, acceleration, stamina, skill, vision, and drive that set him apart, not his abs.

Messi is the greater footballer but Ronaldo is greater athlete, IMO.
 
Other teams have added better players and besides only Thiago is arguably a first 11 player. We are most definitely weaker than when we won the league.

Bollocks we are.

The original point, which you’re arguing against us that we gave the 4th best squad and as good a starting team as anyone.

Which stands.
 
Adeyemi's missed a pen against Sevilla.

Should knock a couple mill off his price tag....:whistle:
 
Navas has just blatently pushed Adeyemi over and Salzburg awarded another pen.....but will he retake it?

No he won't. Some kid called Sukic does and puts Salzburg ahead.
 
Adeyemi wins Salzburg another pen, what a run and the pace to round he keeper. Wow

The ball was exceptional as well, this Salzburg side are impressive.

Sukic hits the post, good lord.....1 pen scored, 2 missed....Sevilla keeper didn't even need to save any.
 
Aaron Wan-Bissaka is sent off!
It's a straight red out of nowhere as he goes for the ball, misses it and stands on the ankle of Christopher Martins Pereira.
United have 55 minutes to play with 10 men.
 
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