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Remember all that talk of a media conspiracy against us?

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I always thought it was a lot of bollocks and the reason everyone was laughing at us was because everything we did was stupid.

Well isn't this view kinda vindicated by the way everyone wants us to win these days? Now that we're ace again? Pretty much every neutral fan wants us to win and that Radio 5 discussion last night was like LFC based phone sex.

Or is it more complex than that?
 
I was thinking the same. It's fucking weird. Something is in the air - This could be a good thing.... Maybe....
 
British manager, british players, good football and doesn't piss anyone off

Well, except Utd hopefully. Fergie fucks off and the whole charade disappears
 
Whatever fills up a blank page. That's the motivation. It's a new slant, a new story. It's nothing personal.
 
It's called agenda setting – creative a narrative arc to fill endless pages and hours of pointless 24-hour sports news channels.
What we did as a club on the pitch under Rafa wasn't stupid. But they had chosen a 'he's loopy foreigner' narrative, so they stuck with that.
Ferguson leaving has also had an effect.
 
Its the same as the refereeing conspiracy against us.

A load of nonsense.



I don't think anyone said that there was a reffing conspiracy against us as much as there was a bias towards Utd. The reasons for it aren't straightforward, but there's no doubt that out of fear and worry refs did favour Utd. Similarly with the press.
 
I don't think anyone said that there was a reffing conspiracy against us as much as there was a bias towards Utd. The reasons for it aren't straightforward, but there's no doubt that out of fear and worry refs did favour Utd. Similarly with the press.

So nobody claimed Howard Webb gave decisions against us because he used to be a member of the South Yorkshire Police force?
 
It's actually all an evil mass jinxing conspiracy to get us to lose the race. Who was our keeper of the big jinx book? Should look that up and see how to counter it.
 
I was thinking about this the other day. You know how teams used to go to Old Trafford and think they were going to get humped - that's working for us these days. The media porn fest over "SAS" is helping us beat teams before we've even kicked off. It's great.
 
British manager, a hand full of English players in the first team playing top quality football in world cup year....I'd be surprised if they set the agenda any other way. But if Fergie was in charge that could still have happened....
 
when you're down it's easy for them to write "controversial " stories and stick the boot in , they live for it . Look how so many are lining up to have a go at united now. Win and be successful and it's a lot harder for them to do that . Even if they do then the success quickly shuts it up .

But like others have said we tick a few boxes that they like now ...british players , Northern irish manager , promote youth , play attacking football etc etc.
 
So nobody claimed Howard Webb gave decisions against us because he used to be a member of the South Yorkshire Police force?


Ha. Prove he never though........you can't because nothing can be proven.
 
So nobody claimed Howard Webb gave decisions against us because he used to be a member of the South Yorkshire Police force?


I've never heard that one. I've heard his membership of SYP cited as further evidence of him being a cunt.
 
It's a good discussion on journalistic bias, assumptions, and what the reporting base line can be.
 
I also got embarrassed when people said this as I thought it was a load of bollox just like now everyone is having a go at Utd because they are shit.

There was no agenda
 
Kevin Friend certainly didn't want us to win against Sunderland. I have never seen such a display of biased refereeing since Inter Milan put us out of the European Cup in 1965.
 
Kevin Friend certainly didn't want us to win against Sunderland. I have never seen such a display of biased refereeing since Inter Milan put us out of the European Cup in 1965.

Maybe he was trying to make up for his howler against Sunderland earlier in the season:

Blunder referee Friend axed for Premier League fixtures after Brown red card howler

By Sam Cunningham
PUBLISHED: 22:26 GMT, 25 November 2013 | UPDATED: 22:29 GMT, 25 November 2013

Blundering referee Kevin Friend has been left off the list of Premier League games this weekend - and Sunderland's appeal against the red card he gave Wes Brown looks certain to succeed.

But Neil Swarbrick and Phil Dowd, who failed to send off Wayne Rooney and Kevin Mirallas for red card offences, will both carry on as normal.

It's the second time this season that 42-year-old Friend, based in Leicester, has been stood down by refs' chief Mike Riley.

In August, he awarded Southampton what West Brom boss Steve Clarke called a 'soft' last-minute penalty and a few days later didn't give Aston Villa a spot-kick for a blatant John Terry handball at Chelsea - then spent more than a month on fourth official duty.

This time he has been left out completely as Riley deals with the fall-out of a weekend of poor decisions.

Sunderland confirmed on Monday that they will appeal against Brown's red card for what looked a clean tackle on Stoke's Charlie Adam - and Crystal Palace are trying to overturn Anthony Taylor's decision to send off Yannick Bolasie in their 1-0 win at Hull.

New rules came in last week to allow the FA to upgrade punishments but neither Rooney nor Mirallas will be affected.

Rooney's kick at Cardiff's Jordon Mutch was seen by Swarbrick who showed a yellow card - the same punishment given to Everton's Mirallas for his clumsy tackle on Liverpool's Luis Suarez.

An FA spokesman said: 'The change in regulation can only apply where an incident has not been clearly seen by the match officials. 'FIFA regulations also forbid upgrading a yellow card to a red.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-dropped-Wes-Brown-howler.html#ixzz2x9V6AtfL
 
Kevin Friend certainly didn't want us to win against Sunderland. I have never seen such a display of biased refereeing since Inter Milan put us out of the European Cup in 1965.
It was a shocking performance, hopefully we don't get him again before the end of the season.
 
So, Kevin Friend is useless as a ref.

Are there any channels clubs can go down to try and stop fuckwits like this from refereeing?
 
So, Kevin Friend is useless as a ref.

Are there any channels clubs can go down to try and stop fuckwits like this from refereeing?

Not unless we want every ref to give us fuck all for the rest of the season.

It's no coincidence that the week after Rodgers moaned about the ref last time we got fuck all in the next game.

The cunts back their own sadly.
 
We are used to useless refs. What disturbed me was that Friend's uselessness constantly favoured Sunderland. It didn't seem like just incompetence to me.
 
Not unless we want every ref to give us fuck all for the rest of the season.

It's no coincidence that the week after Rodgers moaned about the ref last time we got fuck all in the next game.

The cunts back their own sadly.

So, they're like policemen.

At least the police have ombudsman (ombudsmen?), who do the FA have?
 
We are used to useless refs. What disturbed me was that Friend's uselessness constantly favoured Sunderland. It didn't seem like just incompetence to me.

He hates Suarez cos the buying incident was in his match & his missed it, so that had a lot to do with it.
 
There are certain hacks who DO dislike us and consciously seek out negative angles for any stories about us. Rob Beasley is one, Paul Smith is another, as is Patrick Collins. Don't doubt for a minute that they genuinely hate us. (The two Custis brothers also dislike us but they're usually far too absorbed by Geordie woes to do much about it.) Then there's an age issue: those hacks who grew up seeing us win everything and regularly wallop their own (usually London) team - Martin Samuels, for example - had a degree of resentment of us that many failed to hide. Younger hacks, on the other hand, have never much cared either way. Matt Dickinson, for example, is just a nasty piece of work who thrives on turning any minor problem into a catastrophe, regardless of the person or club (note his ruthless stitching up of Hoddle, and he went after Dalglish after Kenny suggested he wasn't quite as clever as he thinks he is). The weirdest one is Paddy Barclay: he was one of the most positive hacks about LFC, mainly because he was good mates with Peter Robinson and Gerard Houllier (he knew Houllier was coming to LFC about a year before Roy Evans did), but when Robinson left he lost his inside stories, and when Ged left he resented Rafa, and now he's like a very peeved spurned lover. Add to that a succession of 'being let go' by the big newspapers and he's a contrary old soul these days who is pretty cynical about most things.

So it's easy to think in simplistic either/or terms, but the truth is a bit more complicated and cloudy. Most hacks are creatures with no memory of past positions, because they only concentrate on the here and now, so agendas get in the way of filling up a blank piece of paper. It's easier just to rattle something off in response to whatever has just happened, rather than spend time trying to twist something to suit a preconceived argument. So most of them really don't bother about being inconsistent and just go with the flow. If LFC being shite suits it, fine, and if LFC no longer being shite offers a new angle, then great. But there are a few, like the above, who genuinely seek to sneer and cause trouble. But let's also remember that there are a few - Dominic King, Tony Barrett, etc - who are massive fans and always look for positives.
 
I was thinking about this the other day. You know how teams used to go to Old Trafford and think they were going to get humped - that's working for us these days. The media porn fest over "SAS" is helping us beat teams before we've even kicked off. It's great.

Coupled with the fact that somehow we have actually managed by some stroke of luck to have the best strike partnership in Europe....
 
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