Ross Barkley

[Gary25]

Setting aside all the outrage about his tackle on Henderson which was a disgrace, what's everyone's thoughts on this lad as a footballer?

I was over for weekend of West Ham game and talking to a few decent Evertonians in town when they were playing Watford and the general consensus amongst them was he could he leaving Everton come the summer or possibly January. More than one said he has this supposeed bad/cocky attitude and is well known not be the best pro which does tie in with Koeman dropping him earlier in the season and calling him out in public.

They seemed to think he'd move to a Southampton or West Ham type Club if he did move on which is a far cry from a few years ago when he was seen as England's next big thing and comparisons drawn with likes of Gascoigne and Gerrard. Heavily linked with City and Chelsea for a long time. He's now 23 which isn't exactly young in modern football either.

Maybe the burden of carrying the hopes of all Evertonians on his back is just too much for him at a time when their current squad needs a massive overhaul.

Perhaps a parting of the ways would be best for all involved. Will be interesting to see what way his career goes.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He just hasn't progressed over the last year or so.

 

[Dreambeliever]

I can only assume he's professionalism is to blame, obviously he's got talent but he doesn't show it consistently enough and hasn't progressed at all since bursting onto the scene.

Reminds me of Gazza

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He's nothing like Gazza - footballing wise or off the field.

 

[refugee]

Another Leon Osman. Decent, but forgettable.

Actually that might be harsh on Osman, as he knew when and where to pass.

 

[Modo]

I really thought he'd be the next big thing, he's just stagnated. Koeman has tried to challenge him but it hasn't really worked.
I think he'd be a much better player if he was with us, that is with better players around him, but where would we play him?
The reason I'm asking is because I really don't know what his best position is, and it's also quite hard to determine.
Against us he played in the no 10 role but he didn't threaten us at all. Made poor decisions all through the game.
Might just be another case of "built like a footballer, but doesn't have the brain to be a great one".

Maybe he needs a manager who can school him. Best example I can think of is Shelvey who has actually become a pretty decent player now at Newcastle. Just needed the right manager to come along.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Would take him at the right price. Mane lite in the playing sense, without the trickery. Though he does power and not the slowest.

 

[Ryan]

You gotta remember who he's playing for when judging him.

I read somewhere that he ran more than any other Everton player in the derby the other night, and was 3rd on the pitch only to Hendo and Milner.

That's not his go. What's the point in having a player that talented and then asking him to do doggies up and down the pitch all day? If he played for Arsenal, United, etc he'd be a superstar.

 

[juniormember]

You gotta remember who he's playing for when judging him.

I read somewhere that he ran more than any other Everton player in the derby the other night, and was 3rd on the pitch only to Hendo and Milner.

That's not his go. What's the point in having a player that talented and then asking him to do doggies up and down the pitch all day? If he played for Arsenal, United, etc he'd be a superstar.

What car brand is he Ryan? 🙂

Even when he was hyped up, I always thought his decision making was poor. It hasn't really changed.
I guess if he was allowed to develop like Sterling, with Sturridge Gerrard and especially Suarez around him, it may have been completely different in that regard.

 

[Leo]

In horse racing terms he was a big powerful two year old that hasn't trained on.
Precocious at the time but stagnated.
He needs a change of scenery but it's looking like he'll never be a great footballer.
He's just too thick.

 

[moron]

The problem with talented players who dont have the right level of stuff in their head is that they need to be surrounded with other quality and be under a coach who will develop the right kind of mentality plus they need to be in a team which has a bigger goal than just sustaining PL status. The story could be different for him if he was playing for us BUT we have to remember that we failed to get the best decision making out of the likes of Jordan Ibe who i thought had more potential than Sterling but proved to be inconsistent and brainless at times.

The other problem you have now is that these talented players in survival teams like Everton under their current coach want players to play to a system and therefore they fail to get the best out of these young talents by not allowing them to express themselves. If they do not play in tune to the system then they get dropped.

 

[Squiggles]

I'm not so sure everton are holding him back to the extent it's clear Bartley would be superstar at a top club. Rooney looked a superstar at Everton. Obviously everyone can't match that level but I'm not even seeing many glimpses from him. He can't even get in the side in some matches. There's certainly a bit of talent there but he hasn't progressed in years. Hopefully he can keep it up.

 

[mark1975]

I was worried a few years ago that he was something like a new Gerrard, he's suffered from his own arrogance and Everton's failures. I don't really agree with Ryan about him being restricted by being asked to cover ground rather than to dictate the play. He's shown plenty of times that for all of his elegance and technical ability, he too often makes the wrong decision when on the ball. Sometimes yards covered is telling in its own way, anyone can chase shadows for 90 minutes and have great stamina/pitch coverage stats.

 

[Modo]

I was worried a few years ago that he was something like a new Gerrard, he's suffered from his own arrogance and Everton's failures. I don't really agree with Ryan about him being restricted by being asked to cover ground rather than to dictate the play. He's shown plenty of times that for all of his elegance and technical ability, he too often makes the wrong decision when on the ball. Sometimes yards covered is telling in its own way, anyone can chase shadows for 90 minutes and have great stamina/pitch coverage stats.

Yeah I'm with you as well. Koeman has basically given him a free role in the middle. I'd still want us to sign him though.

 

[mark1975]

Yeah I'm with you as well. Koeman has basically given him a free role in the middle. I'd still want us to sign him though.

At a decent price, yeah. A couple of seasons ago I'd have advocated us paying about £30m for him. I think Klopp could still save him.

 

[Brizzle]

He has technical talent but no brains, either football brain or general life brain. He'll end up being a hot & cold attacking mid for a lower mid table side.

 

[KopRed]

I'm not so sure everton are holding him back to the extent it's clear Bartley would be superstar at a top club. Rooney looked a superstar at Everton. Obviously everyone can't match that level but I'm not even seeing many glimpses from him. He can't even get in the side in some matches. There's certainly a bit of talent there but he hasn't progressed in years. Hopefully he can keep it up.

He's been mediocre for England as well. Everton isn't the problem. He just isn't very good and hasn't developed that much.

A few years ago you would have at least think twice if either Hendo or Coutinho were involved in a straight swap with Barkley. There's no way in hell now.

 

[binomial]

Overrated & British

All hype but nothing to show for it.

 

[Judge Jules]

I don't think he's all hype, but he's never going to fulfil the talent he does have.

What a graveyard for good players that cesspit of a club is.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Would Everton sell to us

 

[Modo]

Would Everton sell to us

Possibly but I doubt he'd be able to show his face in Liverpool.

 

[RedStar]

He's clearly very talented but he has gone backwards over the last year and a half. I reckon a decent manager would turn him into a top class player. The sort of tackle he made the other night is purely done out of frustration, he needs to move for his careers sake another season or 2 at Everton and he will just be another clogger. If he was going at a decent price we would be foolish not to bid. Whether he would come to us is a different matter entirely.

 

[SummerOnions]

The next Jack Rodwell etc

 

[Judge Jules]

Hmmm: almost certainly not. It might depend on how much we offered, but I can't see us offering enough to overcome the objections they'd be bound to have.

 

[Brizzle]

Absolutely no idea what anyone sees in him to wonder whether he is worth raiding Everton for. Similar ilk to Wilshire - bang average and a massive chav with zero intelligence.

 

[Modo]

Bark Rossley